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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 14:11:01 GMT -5
I wondered why the hell isn't Trump implementing a quarantine lock down in NYC. It needs it sooo bad....
Well....the darling of the left and obvious Presidential candidate....Cuomo
Of course, there are wall to wall articles on the lefty media quoting their unknown source of experts either claiming Trump has no authority or it wont work. BOTH are garbage.
1.....Trump can unilaterally do it by executive order and good luck to the States trying to fight it in the Supreme Court. Or he can get that authority in Congress, good luck with that from the "Trump is a dictator" Democrats.
2....it wont work? Ask Wuhan. Ask Greece.
So Trump backs away....more dead New Yorkers.
You can't fix stupid.
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2020 14:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2020 14:21:24 GMT -5
I wondered why the hell isn't Trump implementing a quarantine lock down in NYC. It needs it sooo bad.... Well....the darling of the left and obvious Presidential candidate....Cuomo Of course, there are wall to wall articles on the lefty media quoting their unknown source of experts either claiming Trump has no authority or it wont work. BOTH are garbage. 1.....Trump can unilaterally do it by executive order and good luck to the States trying to fight it in the Supreme Court. Or he can get that authority in Congress, good luck with that from the "Trump is a dictator" Democrats. 2....it wont work? Ask Wuhan. Ask Greece. So Trump backs away....more dead New Yorkers. You can't fix stupid. If Trump has the authority & he thinks it will help, why does he back away? There's stupidity on both sides. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 14:46:53 GMT -5
Hidden in that story is that the US stockpile also had units to be repaired, which Newsome knew. BUT of course you can't crate "not my fault" victimhood headlines. The issue there as HERE is that ventilators are a state issue to stock up. Just like it's a provincial issue. Yet you don't here screaming about why Trudeau did not stockpile ventilators. What is different in the US is that they have a strategic pile of ventilators, actually a strategic pile of a lot of medical supplies, about 8 billions worth, BUT it's just an extreme emergency stockpile and not enough to combat this outbreak. So every state is running out and wants to draw on this supply, which is not even enough to stop the NYC outbreak. I think it had, very past tense, about 16,000 and that's what NY needs by themselves. And Cuomo is demanding ALL of it. Obvious, it's Trump fault that he didn't stock pile a several hundred thousand ventilators. Just like Bush and Obama...... |
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Post by franko on Mar 29, 2020 14:52:13 GMT -5
if that isn't an oxymoron . . . I know, I know . . . I think he's cold and he calculates his moves . . . and that he just doesn't care what people think as long as he thinks he has an upper hand. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 15:05:30 GMT -5
If Trump has the authority & he thinks it will help, why does he back away? There's stupidity on both sides. He does....but think about this.. If Trump does quarantine NY, given the media readiness to scream at whatever Trump does, just like here, there is a very, very real possibility that there will be riots. That will be a hundred times worse for the spread of this virus. What is going on in the US that we don't have here is a power struggle between States rights and federal government. The STATES have the responsibility to act in an emergency. Just like here. Unlike here, the various state governments are taking their own paths, demanding and insisting they have that right, see Cuomo, but screaming that the federal government didn't order them to act. Honestly, I'm glad we have don't have the issue here. Also we have different society in that we can put our divisions side and work as one. I despise Trudeau more then any of you despise Trump, yet I put that aside for the greater good. It doesn't mean I think that Trudeau is doing a great job, "slow and reactive" is the most generous, but now is NOT the time to criticize and divide. On the other hand....in the US, politics are so toxic, so divisive and media is so biased from BOTH sides, that's it's now interfering with their fight against the virus. Notice Pelosi supporting anything that Trump does? Yet, Pelosi is planning another impeachment trial on whatever Trump does. What do you expect? |
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2020 15:06:26 GMT -5
Tesla has bought over 1200 ventilators from approved suppliers & is donating them to NY. About a month ago he declared panic about Covid "dumb" & that children may be immune. Have to give him props here though. www.bbc.com/news/technology-52071314 |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 15:12:29 GMT -5
More like skepticism about the article itself. The minute an article has this as a headline, it's garbage as a source....
‘This is insane!’ Many scientists lament Trump’s embrace of risky malaria drugs for coronavirusOnce again, the content uses biased language to misdirect and mislead.... The drugs is NOT a "remedy", it helps in quicker recovery. Notice the carefully crafted use of "remedy" to mislead. Once again, the bias media strike again. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 15:25:50 GMT -5
Tesla has bought over 1200 ventilators from approved suppliers & is donating them to NY. About a month ago he declared panic about Covid "dumb" & that children may be immune. Have to give him props here though. www.bbc.com/news/technology-52071314A month ago Trudeau told us that he is following experts and WHO's advice and not stopping international travel from China, Italy and Iran. In fact, he didn't stop them until a week ago. When did we know about the first outbreak of the virus in Canada? JANUARY 25th from Wuhan. More and more then multiple cases from Iran. Six WEEKS between evidence and action. So one is failure in hoof-n-mouth and the other is failure to act. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2020 15:39:19 GMT -5
More like skepticism about the article itself. The minute an article has this as a headline, it's garbage as a source....
‘This is insane!’ Many scientists lament Trump’s embrace of risky malaria drugs for coronavirusOnce again, the content uses biased language to misdirect and mislead.... The drugs is NOT a "remedy", it helps in quicker recovery. Notice the carefully crafted use of "remedy" to mislead. Once again, the bias media strike again. But the small size of the sample concetns me. Hopeful, yes. But it appears far too small to draw real conclusions from yet. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 15:41:56 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 15:56:06 GMT -5
But the small size of the sample concerns me. Hopeful, yes. But it appears far too small to draw real conclusions from yet. Greek use for 1152 is not so small. Or their low count of deaths per million. And another thing....countries are facing massive medical and drug shortages. I bet that Greek doctors are not going to scream "success" if they are sitting on tons of it and other European countries start demanding a share of it. Germany stopped shipments of medical supplies to Italy and now Germany is the top of hated countries in Italy. Germany is losing 6 dead per million, Italy is 200 deaths per million. Who needs more help? Do I blame Greece for every-man-for-himself? Greece is getting flooded with migrants and Turkey is constantly harassing them militarily, yet nothing more then lip service and some cash from the rest of the EU. In fact, Poland send a 100 cops and Austria 13 cops to help them stop an invasion of 150,000 migrants in northern Greece. Note the word migrant....NOTE, adult, military age migrant males from all over the Middle East and even Africa, NOT "war torn Syrian mother and children refugees" like the NGO's want to sell. Then there is the issue of creating Europe wide "virus bond" that can help economically broke Greece and Italy, Germany wants no part of that. Every-man-for-himself.......this virus may break up the EU. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 16:57:11 GMT -5
We can ALWAYS depend on China Inc to be honest....  BTW.....30,000 is about several days worth in a large hospital....and worth about $10,000. Thank the Lord/Allah/Buddha for their generosity. Side Bar....some perspective and to the heart of this bullpuck generosity. I use to stock a few thousand respirators for work. To get the best price, a 10,000 order for about $5,000 back then was not out of the ordinary. And NO, I don't have them now. That was in the early 2000's. I used them because of the very fine dust. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2020 17:06:15 GMT -5
But the small size of the sample concerns me. Hopeful, yes. But it appears far too small to draw real conclusions from yet. Greek use for 1152 is not so small. Or their low count of deaths per million. Is that 1152 a study or the number of people in Greece that have received chloroquine. (sp?) Not nitpicking, just curious. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2020 17:08:01 GMT -5
We can ALWAYS depend on China Inc to be honest.... BTW.....30,000 is about several days worth in a large hospital....and worth about $10,000. Thank the Lord/Allah/Buddha for their generosity. Side Bar....some perspective and to the heart of this bullpuck generosity. I use to stock a few thousand respirators for work. To get the best price, a 10,000 order for about $5,000 back then was not out of the ordinary. And NO, I don't have them now. That was in the early 2000's. I used them because of the very fine dust. On that note - Spain is returning faulty test kits from China. www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/spain-returns-faulty-test-kits-to-china-as-covid-19-death-toll-passes-4000-mark/Before China pats themselves on the back for their generosity, they should send stuff that works. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 18:04:32 GMT -5
Greek use for 1152 is not so small. Or their low count of deaths per million. Is that 1152 a study or the number of people in Greece that have received chloroquine. (sp?) Not nitpicking, just curious. In a case like this, there is no "volunteers" to for a "clinical study". It HAS to be on the fly and see what works. To be clear, as much as I could find, there is no one saying that it is a cure or as the previous article deliberately mischosen word "remedy". It is a supportive treatment that helps fight the virus. The problem is that everyone is flying by the seat of their pants and fighting it with what they have on hand. So far, empirical evidence from a very low death rate coincides with what Greeks are known to use and have by the ton. Literally. The ONLY way we will know what if there were better methods then others is when there is no longer any self serving information out there. At this point, I can even see the possibility of certain regimes keeping quiet about their findings. Maybe Greeks are feeding them ouzo, retsina and raki intravenously...I know that combo will cure me of anything.....  . EDIT...I'm getting old and forgetful.....my doctor friend who is in the middle of it there (no cases yet but preparing the hospital and supplies), he should know a lot more about this. A general discussion about a week ago was that there is no cure but some drugs and combinations help recovery. I'll ask..... |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 19:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 22:47:13 GMT -5
My wife and ard having a running battle....she's got the upper hand because she was in the medical field....and i can read Greek trials ...in Greek. lol Here is an article... www.zmescience.com/science/anti-malaria-covid-19-0523/What I'm reading also that it may help from getting the disease. That would be FANTASTIC news. There is no country on the planet that wouldn't jump on this if it proves true....except it can't be patented and it's dirt cheap. Which means in Canada and particularly the US, NEVER underestimate the power of Big Pharma to bury something they can't make any money. ------ Here is a contrasting article. Please parse the words and language used..it wants to sell that it "could be deadly" in the headlines, but it's under certain conditions. fortune.com/2020/03/20/malaria-drug-coronavirus-treatment-chloroquine-trump-musk-deadly-china/Expect a lot more of these articles if Big Pharma has a comparable and patentable drug. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 30, 2020 0:07:45 GMT -5
On CTV tonight.....FINALY THE TRUTH....MASK ARE NOW OK FOR THE PUBLIC Seriously, it blew my mind that CDC and our officials kept spitting out pure lies. My TV almost didn't survive the bullcrap. If any of you don't have masks and need/want them, here is a very useful link.... smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/Highly recommend them and remember to use them properly. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 30, 2020 5:55:43 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 30, 2020 14:43:44 GMT -5
Sooo...here is the lowdown from someone who is actually RESPONSIBLE for their front line.
Doctors are no longer allowed to prescribe ANY medicines that can be applied to this virus. Nor any distribution allowed to the pharmacies. He is not sure if it will be recalled from pharmacy shelves. Given 24 million doses in stock, not likely.
Hospital have stock of various drugs, including very high levels of chloroquine.
Doses and regiments will come from the Central medical agency if and when needed.
No public discussion are allowed as to what these regiments are. Actually it's illegal now. Why? Because the stupid end of the human spectrum starts to self medicate.
In case someone misconstrues this discussion.....HUGE REMINDER....this is a prescription drug with serious side effects and limitations. Fish tank stories aside, this can do a lot more damage then the virus can if it's not under medical supervision.
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Post by jkr on Mar 30, 2020 17:45:57 GMT -5
On CTV tonight.....FINALY THE TRUTH....MASK ARE NOW OK FOR THE PUBLIC Seriously, it blew my mind that CDC and our officials kept spitting out pure lies. My TV almost didn't survive the bullcrap. If any of you don't have masks and need/want them, here is a very useful link.... smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/Highly recommend them and remember to use them properly. No link but just saw an item on Global News. Austria is mandating that supermarket shoppers must wear masks. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 30, 2020 19:29:16 GMT -5
On CTV tonight.....FINALY THE TRUTH....MASK ARE NOW OK FOR THE PUBLIC Seriously, it blew my mind that CDC and our officials kept spitting out pure lies. My TV almost didn't survive the bullcrap. If any of you don't have masks and need/want them, here is a very useful link.... smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/Highly recommend them and remember to use them properly. No link but just saw an item on Global News. Austria is mandating that supermarket shoppers must wear masks. So has Sweden and I think so has Slovakia and Czechs. Ax someone who wore and mandated if becworn all my career, I feel very strongly on their use. There is no virus epidemic if there is no virus import/export through our mouths/nose. So.....masks keep the virus in....masks keep the virus out. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 31, 2020 11:10:06 GMT -5
New York Times Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired To help manage the shortage, the authorities sent a message that made them untrustworthy. When news of a mysterious viral pneumonia linked to a market in Wuhan, China, reached the outside world in early January, one of my first reactions was to order a modest supply of masks. Just a few weeks later, there wasn’t a mask to be bought in stores, or online for a reasonable price — just widespread price gouging. Many health experts, no doubt motivated by the sensible and urgent aim of preserving the remaining masks for health care workers, started telling people that they didn’t need masks or that they wouldn’t know how to wear them. As the pandemic rages on, there will be many difficult messages for the public. Unfortunately, the top-down conversation around masks has become a case study in how not to communicate with the public, especially now that the traditional gatekeepers like media and health authorities have much less control. The message became counterproductive and may have encouraged even more hoarding because it seemed as though authorities were shaping the message around managing the scarcity rather than confronting the reality of the situation. First, many health experts, including the surgeon general of the United States, told the public simultaneously that masks weren’t necessary for protecting the general public and that health care workers needed the dwindling supply. This contradiction confuses an ordinary listener. How do these masks magically protect the wearers only and only if they work in a particular field? Second, there were attempts to bolster the first message, that ordinary people didn’t need masks, by telling people that masks, especially medical-grade respirator masks (such as the N95 masks), needed proper fitting and that ordinary people without such fitting wouldn’t benefit. This message was also deeply counterproductive. Many people also wash their hands wrong, but we don’t respond to that by telling them not to bother. Instead, we provide instructions; we post signs in bathrooms; we help people sing songs that time their hand-washing. Telling people they can’t possibly figure out how to wear a mask properly isn’t a winning message. Besides, when you tell people that something works only if done right, they think they will be the person who does it right, even if everyone else doesn’t. Third, of course masks work — maybe not perfectly and not all to the same degree, but they provide some protection. Their use has always been advised as part of the standard response to being around infected people, especially for people who may be vulnerable. World Health Organization officials wear masks during their news briefings. That was the reason I had bought a few in early January — I had been conducting research in Hong Kong, which has a lot of contact with mainland China, and expected to go back. I had studied and taught about the sociology of pandemics and knew from the SARS experience in 2003 that health officials in many high-risk Asian countries had advised wearing masks. It is of course true that masks don’t work perfectly, that they don’t replace hand-washing and social distancing, and that they work better if they fit properly. And of course, surgical masks (the disposable type that surgeons wear) don’t filter out small viral particles the way medical-grade respirator masks rated N95 and above do. However, even surgical masks protect a bit more than not wearing masks at all. We know from flu research that mask-wearing can help decrease transmission rates along with frequent hand-washing and social-distancing. Now that we are facing a respirator mask shortage, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is recommending that surgical masks are “an acceptable alternative” for health care workers — again, obviously because some protection, even if imperfect, is better than none. In the face of this, publicly presenting an absolute answer — “You don’t need them” — for something that requires a qualified response just makes people trust authorities even less. Fourth, the W.H.O. and the C.D.C. told the public to wear masks if they were sick. However, there is increasing evidence of asymptomatic transmission, especially through younger people who have milder cases and don’t know they are sick but are still infectious. Since the W.H.O. and the C.D.C. do say that masks lessen the chances that infected people will infect others, then everyone should use masks. If the public is told that only the sick people are to wear masks, then those who do wear them will be stigmatized and people may well avoid wearing them if it screams “I’m sick.” Further, it’s very difficult to be tested for Covid-19 in the United States. How are people supposed to know for sure when to mask up? Fifth, places like Hong Kong and Taiwan that jumped to action early with social distancing and universal mask wearing have the pandemic under much greater control, despite having significant travel from mainland China. Hong Kong health officials credit universal mask wearing as part of the solution and recommend universal mask wearing. In fact, Taiwan responded to the coronavirus by immediately ramping up mask production. Sixth, masks are an important signal that it’s not business as usual as well as an act of solidarity. Pandemics require us to change our behavior — our socialization, hygiene, work and more — collectively, and knowing our fellow citizens are on board is important for all efforts. More.... www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html |
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Post by jkr on Mar 31, 2020 11:34:07 GMT -5
If you want someone to believe you, tell the truth all the time, no matter how small the issue.
This has been one of the most confounding issues over the last few months. I find the messages are still confusing. The last thing we need now is a lack of trust between the authorities & the public.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 31, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5
If you want someone to believe you, tell the truth all the time, no matter how small the issue. This has been one of the most confounding issues over the last few months. I find the messages are still confusing. The last thing we need now is a lack of trust between the authorities & the public. I obviously agree. No question. I don't know about you, but I have a huge distrust of what "authorities" say at the best of times, then spout "lies for our own good" and it just reinforces that they think themselves so superior, that they think only they can make the decisions for us. Of all things, this mask thing is the very top of my anger mismanagement issues. It defies logic that it's proven and mandatory to wear them as front liners but "useless" for the public. First...the argument that people wont wear them properly so don't bother. From someone who has hundreds upon hundreds of people that were my responsibility to wear masks, this is pure nonsense. The "fitting" is a matter of explaining how to seal/fit it on ones face. Then following it up. 99% of the issue was that in the beginning, they were uncomfortable and people half wore them. The problem went away when the choice was wear them or find new job opportunities. So it's simple...we can educate people how to wash their hands....and we can teach them how to wear masks. Second.....Masks keeps the virus in...masks keep the virus out. The sneeze and pie hole is responsible for the ingress and egress of the virus. Cover it. The argument that masks are only for people who are showing symptoms, this nonsense is dead too because the majority of carriers are asymptomatic. One can be a carrier, no symptoms. walking into everywhere and spreading it. Masks takes care of that. The mind blowing simplicity of the cause and effect.... virus gets into the common environment through mouths and noses, cover that in both directions and you blow up the highway of infection. It wont stop it completely but along with distancing and hand washing....and I'm willing to bet that we wouldn't be blowing up our society/economy to fight this virus. I guess it's too simple for the brilliant political and "elite" to understand. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 31, 2020 16:09:38 GMT -5
Some news on masks..
In the old country, in Southern Europe, in a small town, you can walk into a pharmacy and buy 5 double wall heavy cotton masks for 9 euros ($13). Pharmacist wont let you buy more then two packs. (Regular N95 masks are 4 Euros EACH.)
Instructions is to wear them for the day, then accumulate them, then boil them in plain water for two minutes. After, iron them at MAX heat and puff them multiple times with hot steam from the iron.
BRILLIANT
From the tests conducted on cloth masks, these are probably 70%-80% range for .3 microns. And far cheaper for the common man. There is no upper use limit and probably start to fall apart after 50-70 uses each. So $13 gives and 15 minutes ever 5 days gives you 250 days of use. Maybe a year.
My caregiver there is using them now and said that they are comfortable and only downside is when you first put them on, the slight smell of cotton, but that last about a couple of minutes before she stops noticing the smell.
It's not N95, it's not the usual disposable methods of our society, but it will help THEIR fight against this epidemic.
Hello Canada, what are we doing?
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Post by Cranky on Mar 31, 2020 18:56:49 GMT -5
I can only beg that people follow this....
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 1, 2020 6:37:50 GMT -5
I can't see playing hockey this year. The way virus is spreading in USA. Virus needs to be totally wiped out as could flare up again with dressing rooms and close contract of players. We will end up losing a player or two, several more careers will be over as it attacks the lungs.
Contagious rate in states is crazy, spreading faster than any other country yet. Their death rate is at 2% and rising. Italy's is at 11.5%, just a week ago it was 10.6%. If it reaches same rate in USA, be massive deaths.
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 1, 2020 6:44:13 GMT -5
I can only beg that people follow this.... Good post Habs. I heard before it didn't help. But maybe it does going by Czeck results |
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