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Post by Cranky on Apr 1, 2020 17:34:01 GMT -5
Greece only lost 1 person today. I really hope they lose zero for a few days and maybe, just maybe they are getting somewhere. And perhaps their treatment methods are working better.
Just for the record, the condition of some of the hospitals is shameful, but their testing and doctors are top notch. Plus I was reading in Greek sources that they are cooperation closely with Israel. Of all the people on the planet, besides USA, Israel has he most experience in field medicine. Wouldn't it be something that two of the oldest civilizations come up with solutions!
Canada.....not a good day. USA...miserable day....and the day isn't over. Spain and Italy are still in hell....*sigh*
Stay safe everybody.....
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Post by jkr on Apr 1, 2020 17:47:01 GMT -5
How is health care run in Greece? Is it closer to universal health care or more American style?
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Post by jkr on Apr 1, 2020 18:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Apr 1, 2020 19:15:23 GMT -5
How is health care run in Greece? Is it closer to universal health care or more American style? Kind of both. You have to pay to major insurance houses that are quasy government entities. For example, my father even at 102 is paying 50 Euros ($75) a month to IKA, a universal workers social/health/pension organization. There is another one that covers the self employed. And you can get private doctors, clinics and tests. You can also get drugs relatively cheaply because it highly organized. Of course, if you pay nothing, they don't turn you down. Very small amount of the "independent" Roma people pay into any organizations, but they certainly can recite their human right for medical treatment. Border jumping migrants too. I can't recite single Canadian law to health care, they can recite every word and coma to their "health rights". It is NOT the same as our system. You do not get the same level of nursing care so if the person requires constant attention, unless you do it yourself, you have to hire private nursing assistants. Three for 24 hour care and it cost about $100 a shift for each. It is NOT a good system because of that. It get's expensive very fast. Also, you can have six patients in a room and another 10 people mulling/helping around in the same room. The tests are thorough, overused issued and the doctors competent. The structures, a bit neglected and outdated. I would NOT trade it for our system, but I then, I want a $10-$20 visit fee to stop the "I got a headache" crowd and limited private health care. It shouldn't take 5 months to examine a mole on ones back. I don't care if that visit cost me $200 to get ahead of the line.....and in turn, subsidized more doctors for everyone else. My nightmare going there now? My wife in Canada, she can't come, even if she did, she can't handle "the system"...and I'm in a ventilator. When my father broke his hip, I was in the hospital with a couple from Germany. They were lost and terrified. I helped them through and it was like they had a boulder lifted from them. The other thing, I am well connected with doctors and the "system", but still, wife/husband is different form strangers. My wife should decide my fate, not my friend. If you got any more questions, feel free..... |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 2, 2020 5:57:25 GMT -5
Greece only lost 1 person today. I really hope they lose zero for a few days and maybe, just maybe they are getting somewhere. And perhaps their treatment methods are working better. Just for the record, the condition of some of the hospitals is shameful, but their testing and doctors are top notch. Plus I was reading in Greek sources that they are cooperation closely with Israel. Of all the people on the planet, besides USA, Israel has he most experience in field medicine. Wouldn't it be something that two of the oldest civilizations come up with solutions! Canada.....not a good day. USA...miserable day....and the day isn't over. Spain and Italy are still in hell....*sigh* Stay safe everybody..... Keep us updated Uber, I don't follow it much like now. Rely on people like you. Just tired of hearing about it. Seeing all the devastation. I know one thing life was a lot better before this. Bible says not to go back to foolishness of my youth. But would love a few J's, case a beer, headed to a Meatloaf concert with my buddies right now. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 2, 2020 9:34:10 GMT -5
Greece only lost 1 person today. I really hope they lose zero for a few days and maybe, just maybe they are getting somewhere. And perhaps their treatment methods are working better. Just for the record, the condition of some of the hospitals is shameful, but their testing and doctors are top notch. Plus I was reading in Greek sources that they are cooperation closely with Israel. Of all the people on the planet, besides USA, Israel has he most experience in field medicine. Wouldn't it be something that two of the oldest civilizations come up with solutions! Canada.....not a good day. USA...miserable day....and the day isn't over. Spain and Italy are still in hell....*sigh* Stay safe everybody..... So far in Canada... CONFIRMED 8,454 DEATHS 95 RECOVERED 1089 New York York state doubled in 72 hours to 1900... wow... interesting to see what happens in Florida and California Its gonna get worse in the US they have Dumb Donald calling the shots... more idiocy |
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Post by jkr on Apr 2, 2020 15:35:15 GMT -5
Jeez, Louisiana has 2,700 new cases today!
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Post by PTH on Apr 2, 2020 17:47:52 GMT -5
From a mask point of view, the only real argument I've heard against them for the general public is that if other people start buying them up, there will be a lack of supply for medical professionnals.
I've never been sold on that, moreso since it means asymptomatic people can be superspreaders, against their will and despite taking what appear to be smart choices.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2020 9:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2020 10:37:54 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Apr 3, 2020 11:26:22 GMT -5
Open roads, good weather and cheap gas has led to an increase . . . on the highway. Gas prices are so low that I can finally afford to go on a long trip but there's nowhere I can go. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 3, 2020 11:40:03 GMT -5
Open roads, good weather and cheap gas has led to an increase . . . on the highway. Gas prices are so low that I can finally afford to go on a long trip but there's nowhere I can go. Good line. Send it to Scott Adams for a work-at-home Dilbert. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 3, 2020 11:48:13 GMT -5
Gas prices are so low that I can finally afford to go on a long trip but there's nowhere I can go. Good line. Send it to Scott Adams for a work-at-home Dilbert. Given that he's become a pro-Trump psychopath, I'm not the Scott Adams fan I used to be. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 4, 2020 5:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 4, 2020 7:10:43 GMT -5
Jeez, Louisiana has 2,700 new cases today! I think what happened in the USA is they never took it serious enough at start. I see on news channel them partying spring break down in Florida and Mardi Gras. Why it spread so fast. In China they shut everything down, why it behaved so differently |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 5, 2020 16:41:58 GMT -5
Blame the evil guy....he didn't take is seriously...  A picture is worth a thousand blames.... |
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Post by franko on Apr 5, 2020 17:58:44 GMT -5
I hate to bring the virus into another discussion but I've been reading up on the Spanish flu and herd immunity. Because we are keeping that from happening through social isolation and how infectious this virus is, there is a very high probability that we will see wave after wave and NOT see much of a season until early next year. or . . . ask Briton how herd immunity worked out for them. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 5, 2020 18:00:34 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is there Cranky. Because the media didn't take it seriously, that absolves the American government for their slow reaction?
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Post by franko on Apr 5, 2020 18:01:55 GMT -5
Blame the evil guy....he didn't take is seriously... View AttachmentA picture is worth a thousand blames.... of course, the other side of the picture . . . Trump warns of 'very deadly period' of COVID-19 deaths, likening it to fatalities during world wars'It's going to be a difficult week for the American people,' Vice President Mike Pence said
U.S. President Donald Trump warned that deaths from the coronavirus in the U.S. will escalate over the next one to two weeks, and could be on par with the number of fatalities seen in world wars.
“There’s going to be a very, very deadly period, unfortunately,” Trump told reporters at the White House on Saturday. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 5, 2020 18:26:15 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is there Cranky. Because the media didn't take it seriously, that absolves the American government for their slow reaction? Because I hear a lot about the guy in the States and nothing about our Clown Prince. How did we do for here with closing our borders? Or taking it so seriously? The only difference is that our media (give or take $600 million reasons) is not holding Trudeau accountable for slow response. Did you hear the CBC coming out and asking "Mr Trudeau, do you feel accountable for all the deaths for the slow reaction?" It will NEVER happen. And just as a reminder, when Trump restricted Chinese travelers on...JANUARY 31st, Trump heard screams of "racism" from EVERYONE including the Canadian media. Or did people forget when the very same day, the Clown Prince said, in a sideswipe, "we are not closing our borders, we are following the best advice of our experts and WHO". We still had flight from China up till the end of March. About SEVEN long miserable weeks of the infection reaching into the heart of our society. INCLUDING flight from Iran adn Italy, when they were both known for hot spots. How did that work out for us? Here is the difference, one guy did something, got screamed at by the biased media, now everyone has forgotten that and still trying to parse and blame his every action. Mostly well deserved. Our guy tosses a lot of word salad including "our experts and the WHO" to cover his butt, expose every part of the country to this virus by his NON action, but NOBODY holds him accountable or puts the tough questions to him. As if lots of "caring" words would stop the virus. Lots of undeserved praise. Both of them are idiots....but one is getting a pass. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 5, 2020 18:46:18 GMT -5
I hate to bring the virus into another discussion but I've been reading up on the Spanish flu and herd immunity. Because we are keeping that from happening through social isolation and how infectious this virus is, there is a very high probability that we will see wave after wave and NOT see much of a season until early next year. or . . . ask Briton how herd immunity worked out for them. We are shown a bell curve that is flatten out and show equal rise and fall. Absolute bullcrap. Mind numbing bullcrap. For the curve to fall like it increases, that means the actions taken have to remain in place. The minute you back away, it will rise again but not as high. On the second rise, the lessons learned and some of the already infect will be out of the equation, but not the vast majority. Are we going to be under house arrest for the next year or so until there is a vaccine? Or go through several decreasing humps until we build heard immunity? Which STILL means the virus is in the wild and will infect and kill older people. This isn't rocket science and I'm not the only one seeing that, I'm sure every engineer and mathematician is throwing shoes at their tvs, but the masses? They keep gobbling the garbage. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 5, 2020 19:44:39 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is there Cranky. Because the media didn't take it seriously, that absolves the American government for their slow reaction? Given how a lot of the media is really just regurgitating what they're being thrown by big business or government spin doctors, I'd say the media didn't take it seriously *because* of a lack of government concern. It's amazing how many newspaper articles are really just corporate press releases with a different byline. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 5, 2020 20:36:24 GMT -5
Are you ****** kidding me? Now animals can get this virus?
This is even worse...
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 5, 2020 21:15:21 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is there Cranky. Because the media didn't take it seriously, that absolves the American government for their slow reaction? Because I hear a lot about the guy in the States and nothing about our Clown Prince. How did we do for here with closing our borders? Or taking it so seriously? The only difference is that our media (give or take $600 million reasons) is not holding Trudeau accountable for slow response. Did you hear the CBC coming out and asking "Mr Trudeau, do you feel accountable for all the deaths for the slow reaction?" It will NEVER happen. And just as a reminder, when Trump restricted Chinese travelers on...JANUARY 31st, Trump heard screams of "racism" from EVERYONE including the Canadian media. Or did people forget when the very same day, the Clown Prince said, in a sideswipe, "we are not closing our borders, we are following the best advice of our experts and WHO". We still had flight from China up till the end of March. About SEVEN long miserable weeks of the infection reaching into the heart of our society. INCLUDING flight from Iran adn Italy, when they were both known for hot spots. How did that work out for us? Here is the difference, one guy did something, got screamed at by the biased media, now everyone has forgotten that and still trying to parse and blame his every action. Mostly well deserved. Our guy tosses a lot of word salad including "our experts and the WHO" to cover his butt, expose every part of the country to this virus by his NON action, but NOBODY holds him accountable or puts the tough questions to him. As if lots of "caring" words would stop the virus. Lots of undeserved praise. Both of them are idiots....but one is getting a pass. Obama got the same media pass during H1N1 in 2009...and he waited until 1000 Americans were dead before announcing a national emergency. CDC estimates: 60 million Americans infected. 274,300 hospitalized. 12,469 deaths. The economy didn't crash to a halt. I recall some precautions being taken...but nothing like this. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 6, 2020 0:39:39 GMT -5
It's good to get all of the perspectives ... makes for an interesting thread ... Doug Ford recently stated he won't be talking about politics until COVID-19 was over AND he put his support behind Justin Trudeau ... I'm giving Ford my full support on this one because he's putting the people of Ontario ahead of politics ... there'll be plenty of blame to go around after this is over, but the only question I'd have for Ford would be "what would we do differently next time?" ... here in just outside K-town the OPP are randomly stopping folks and asking where they're going ... if you're grocery shopping they'll point you to the nearest store to your house and that's where they 'recommend' you go ... if you're not doing that or going to work they'll 'ask' you to please go back home ... did groceries earlier today ... I put on some disposable gloves and took an alcohol swab with me ... got there about 45 minutes before the store closed and there weren't too many people left in the store ... the folks that were there were respecting each other's space ... the cashiers are now behind plexiglass ... the streets were almost deserted ... kind of reminded me of The Omega Man  ... still, I was kind of happy to see that ... folks are getting the message ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 6, 2020 0:52:56 GMT -5
Because I hear a lot about the guy in the States and nothing about our Clown Prince. How did we do for here with closing our borders? Or taking it so seriously? The only difference is that our media (give or take $600 million reasons) is not holding Trudeau accountable for slow response. Did you hear the CBC coming out and asking "Mr Trudeau, do you feel accountable for all the deaths for the slow reaction?" It will NEVER happen. And just as a reminder, when Trump restricted Chinese travelers on...JANUARY 31st, Trump heard screams of "racism" from EVERYONE including the Canadian media. Or did people forget when the very same day, the Clown Prince said, in a sideswipe, "we are not closing our borders, we are following the best advice of our experts and WHO". We still had flight from China up till the end of March. About SEVEN long miserable weeks of the infection reaching into the heart of our society. INCLUDING flight from Iran adn Italy, when they were both known for hot spots. How did that work out for us? Here is the difference, one guy did something, got screamed at by the biased media, now everyone has forgotten that and still trying to parse and blame his every action. Mostly well deserved. Our guy tosses a lot of word salad including "our experts and the WHO" to cover his butt, expose every part of the country to this virus by his NON action, but NOBODY holds him accountable or puts the tough questions to him. As if lots of "caring" words would stop the virus. Lots of undeserved praise. Both of them are idiots....but one is getting a pass. Obama got the same media pass during H1N1 in 2009...and he waited until 1000 Americans were dead before announcing a national emergency. CDC estimates: 60 million Americans infected. 274,300 hospitalized. 12,469 deaths. The economy didn't crash to a halt. I recall some precautions being taken...but nothing like this. That's because ultimately H1N1 really was mostly like the normal flu; it's now been incorporated into the standard flu vaccine. Covid is a whole new ballgame that can swamp local ERs and lead to 5% mortality once hospitals run out of beds, ventilators and other intensive care equipment. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 6, 2020 5:47:30 GMT -5
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Post by HABsurd on Apr 6, 2020 10:08:03 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is there Cranky. Because the media didn't take it seriously, that absolves the American government for their slow reaction? Because I hear a lot about the guy in the States and nothing about our Clown Prince. How did we do for here with closing our borders? Or taking it so seriously? The only difference is that our media (give or take $600 million reasons) is not holding Trudeau accountable for slow response. Did you hear the CBC coming out and asking "Mr Trudeau, do you feel accountable for all the deaths for the slow reaction?" It will NEVER happen. And just as a reminder, when Trump restricted Chinese travelers on...JANUARY 31st, Trump heard screams of "racism" from EVERYONE including the Canadian media. Or did people forget when the very same day, the Clown Prince said, in a sideswipe, "we are not closing our borders, we are following the best advice of our experts and WHO". We still had flight from China up till the end of March. About SEVEN long miserable weeks of the infection reaching into the heart of our society. INCLUDING flight from Iran adn Italy, when they were both known for hot spots. How did that work out for us? Here is the difference, one guy did something, got screamed at by the biased media, now everyone has forgotten that and still trying to parse and blame his every action. Mostly well deserved. Our guy tosses a lot of word salad including "our experts and the WHO" to cover his butt, expose every part of the country to this virus by his NON action, but NOBODY holds him accountable or puts the tough questions to him. As if lots of "caring" words would stop the virus. Lots of undeserved praise. Both of them are idiots....but one is getting a pass. Except the USA did not restrict any flights. They only restricted travel for “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.” It did not apply to Americans, who were not even advised to isolate themselves when arriving. So about 40,00 entered USA from China AFTER the restriction. That is why Trump's action was criticized — it was purely for show and did nothing to stop the spread of infection. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 6, 2020 10:28:25 GMT -5
The problem with the States is that they have a lot of power. Short of Trump issuing an executive order, which will be immidiatly challenged all the way to the supreme court, or by giving him power through Congress, which wont happen because of the Democrats, he can't do anything. Remember from day one, the Democrats screamed that Trump wants to be a dictator. People forget that USA was really born as individual states agreeing to a federal government. This gives the states more authority then provinces, or at least in their heads. Governors do love their power. The other thing that is vastly different is the strategic stockpile in the US. Everybody wants the pie and screw the next guy. Cuomo is screaming for 40,000 non existing ventilators, the strategic reserve had 16,000 for the entire country. Obviously it's Trump's fault he didn't time travel to prepare for this. Cuomo is getting a pass, Trumps fault for Cuomos unprepared state. He has conveniently forgotten that just like here, the state is responsible for health care. The strategic reserve has become a political nightmare that Trudeau is not facing. I'm sure that we have a small one, but because the provinces have made it a big deal that health care is their domain, you don't hear screams of gimme....or it's your fault. The only way to have dealt with it is hard line powers from Congress, which will NEVER happen. Neither party trusts each other. Trump has the Supreme Court in his corner, but that would takes months of legal garbage and even then, the right leaning court would be very careful of giving that much power to a president. The next guy could declare a sky falling catastrophe and do as he wishes. The US is a clusterdump. Even though they have the ability to deal with this as well as, if not better then anyone, their politics and media bias (and self interest) has made it a clusterdump. Sidebar....talking about media self interest. CTV runs a nightly "see what Trump did wrong" on a nightly basis. Why? Because it plays well with Canadian ratings. It's actually comical on many occasions because they have to stand on their heads to see the "oh my God" talking point, but few Canadians bother to dig deeper or know the American political and institutional system.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 6, 2020 10:42:10 GMT -5
. Except the USA did not restrict any flights. They only restricted travel for “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.” It did not apply to Americans, who were not even advised to isolate themselves when arriving. So about 40,00 entered USA from China AFTER the restriction. That is why Trump's action was criticized — it was purely for show and did nothing to stop the spread of infection. Actually, hard to call it a show when in fact, it did restrict foreign nationals. We did soooo much better by our Clown Prince making word salad declarations and not following through at the airports. Then upping the game to a nuclear level by asking people if they felt sick, sign this paper. That did the trick. Even when we knew that it was asymptomatic and pre symtomatic we still had flights from known hot spots like italy and iran. They too signed papers. They really did...and we followed up...NOT. Trudeau's actions was never criticized by tv media— it was purely for show and did nothing to stop the spread of infection. |
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