Pierre-Luc Dubois Available? - LeBrun

[GNick99]

Talk on radio, Calgary made an offer based around Monahan.

[jkr]

Jan 22, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -5 Andrew said:

Whatever his reasons for wanting out, PLD is not helping his cause by not showing up like he did last night. Whatever your differences with the organization you don't quit on your teammates, or on yourself for that matter. Does he think that Marc (values character above all else) Bergevin and every other GM isn't watching?

Reminds of the Drouin situation in TB when he left the team rather than report to the AHL. Bergevin in made the deal anyway.

[Andrew]

Jan 22, 2021 14:56:11 GMT -5 jkr said:

Jan 22, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -5 Andrew said:

Whatever his reasons for wanting out, PLD is not helping his cause by not showing up like he did last night. Whatever your differences with the organization you don't quit on your teammates, or on yourself for that matter. Does he think that Marc (values character above all else) Bergevin and every other GM isn't watching?

Reminds of the Drouin situation in TB when he left the team rather than report to the AHL. Bergevin in made the deal anyway.

Good point. I'd forgotten about that. Certainly competing against the value MB places on character is the allure of acquiring a French Canadian star.

[seventeen]

Jan 22, 2021 9:43:34 GMT -5 BadCompany said:

I'm usually not one to let the inmates run the asylum, but at a certain point you have to start pointing fingers at the coach. It's easy to say Dubois is a pouty brat, but what about Panarin? Bobrovsky? Duchene? Where would the Blue Jackets be if those guys weren't so desperate to get out of there? And now Dubois and (possibly) Domi are at odds with the coach?

The Blue Jackets are lucky in that both Detroit and Chicago are in their division, so their road to the playoffs isn't as difficult as it would be if they were in say the Canadian division. They have one win in five games this year, but two of those four losses were in overtime, so they're still picking up points. Tortorella is in the last year of his contract. But if I'm Jarmo Kekäläinen and the Blue Jackets lose a couple of more games I'm pulling the pin on the coach.

The most damning evidence to me, BC, is that Torts did not have a good relationship with the Sedins. Think of that for a moment. You can't get along with two of the classiest guys to suit up since Jean Beliveau?

If Columbus wants to not lose out on a Dubois deal, the best solution is to keep him and 'trade' Torts.

[NWTHabsFan]

Jan 22, 2021 14:56:11 GMT -5 jkr said:

Jan 22, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -5 Andrew said:

Whatever his reasons for wanting out, PLD is not helping his cause by not showing up like he did last night. Whatever your differences with the organization you don't quit on your teammates, or on yourself for that matter. Does he think that Marc (values character above all else) Bergevin and every other GM isn't watching?

Reminds of the Drouin situation in TB when he left the team rather than report to the AHL. Bergevin in made the deal anyway.

This is the exact same reminder that jumped into my head as I watch this Dubois situation unfold. I do think that Berg has wizened as a GM since then and has been a more shrewd trader. The Habs now have legitimate and young centres, with lots of upside on the three young ones as they grow and develop. There is no longer a need for Berg to make a panic move and overpay. But I am sure he is staying in the mix, for all the obvious reasons, and for once Berg would not be trading from a position of weakness. In the end, will Berg want to disrupt the current chemistry in his room? He is coming off a huge offseason adding winning pedigree and his type of character. Salary would also have to move, so it would be multiple roster players. More to come on this saga for sure.

I am with seventeen though, time to ditch Torts. He always has a limited shelf life before the team tunes him out. Past due in CBJ it would seem.

[Willie Dog]

At least Torts brings some entertainment, he doesn't do the standard stone face canned reports.

[Tankdriver]

Sounding like a deal is close and Winnipeg is the front runner. Laine plus Roslovic...that's too much, but then I also think Suzuki is too.

[GNick99]

Jan 22, 2021 14:56:11 GMT -5 jkr said:

Jan 22, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -5 Andrew said:

Whatever his reasons for wanting out, PLD is not helping his cause by not showing up like he did last night. Whatever your differences with the organization you don't quit on your teammates, or on yourself for that matter. Does he think that Marc (values character above all else) Bergevin and every other GM isn't watching?

Reminds of the Drouin situation in TB when he left the team rather than report to the AHL. Bergevin in made the deal anyway.

Red flag was there on Drouin as it is on Dubois. How many people would quit on their team.

[Cranky]

Suppose to happen today. Let's see....

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[NWTHabsFan]

Winnipeg, that is a lot to give up.

[Tankdriver]

Agree. For just Dubois and a third!

[Skilly]

Thank jebus that’s over

[NWTHabsFan]

Jan 23, 2021 11:03:49 GMT -5 Skilly said:

Thank jebus that’s over

Uh huh.

Three disgruntled players change addresses. Laine is on the IR, PLD has to quarantine and Roslovic is probably quite rusty. No immediate help for either team in this weird COVID season.

[GNick99]

Jan 23, 2021 10:44:58 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Wonder how long Laine will last with Torts?

[Tankdriver]

Jan 23, 2021 11:03:49 GMT -5 Skilly said:

Thank jebus that’s over

Agree. That would be Suzuki and Poehling equivalent?

[jkr]

Jan 23, 2021 10:56:54 GMT -5 NWTHabsFan said:

Winnipeg, that is a lot to give up.

Roslovic is a Columbus guy but he's almost 24 and has never scored more than 12.

Laine is a pure scorer but he is making 6.75 & is RFA at the end of the year.

At least the Jets get Dubois for 2 seasons.

[BadCompany]

This deal tells me there was no way we were really in on it. Laine is 22 years old, and has already had four seasons of 30+ goals*, including a 44 goal season. Not too many guys get 40+ goals, and he's not even 23 yet. Would have been pretty tough for us to match that, even if you add Suzuki to the mix.

* He had 28 at the time of the shut-down last season. Pretty fair to assume he would have crossed 30 again.

It will be interesting to see how his RFA year plays out. He may have wanted out of Winnipeg, but I doubt he's thrilled to be going to Columbus, where he'll have Tortorella yelling at him all year. And the drop down from Mark Scheifele to Max Domi/Alex Texier is not a small one. Careful what you wish for, I guess.

This is a good deal for Winnipeg, in my opinion (and thus bad for us). They now have the deepest center depth in the league, with Scheifele, Dubois, Stastny, and Lowry, and they still have elite wingers in Connor, Ehlers, and Wheeler. Defense is still a question mark, but with the reigning Vezina winner behind them they can mitigate that. Dubois will be happy.

I would have preferred that Columbus deal with Anaheim or something, as this makes our division, which was already very strong, even stronger. Can't say I'm thrilled.

[folatre]

The Canadian division just got tougher.

I think it is fair deal for those two clubs.

Laine is kind of a quirky dude and I am not too sure that he will seriously entertain the idea of putting down roots in Columbus. I know that Dubois' dad coaches for the Moose, but Winnipeg probably cannot feel too sure that Dubois will stick around there long-term.

[Willie Dog]

I hope the are both problem children and cause grief in the dressing room.

[seventeen]

Jan 23, 2021 11:35:02 GMT -5 BadCompany said:

This deal tells me there was no way we were really in on it. Laine is 22 years old, and has already had four seasons of 30+ goals*, including a 44 goal season. Not too many guys get 40+ goals, and he's not even 23 yet. Would have been pretty tough for us to match that, even if you add Suzuki to the mix.

* He had 28 at the time of the shut-down last season. Pretty fair to assume he would have crossed 30 again.

It will be interesting to see how his RFA year plays out. He may have wanted out of Winnipeg, but I doubt he's thrilled to be going to Columbus, where he'll have Tortorella yelling at him all year. And the drop down from Mark Scheifele to Max Domi/Alex Texier is not a small one. Careful what you wish for, I guess.

This is a good deal for Winnipeg, in my opinion (and thus bad for us). They now have the deepest center depth in the league, with Scheifele, Dubois, Stastny, and Lowry, and they still have elite wingers in Connor, Ehlers, and Wheeler. Defense is still a question mark, but with the reigning Vezina winner behind them they can mitigate that. Dubois will be happy.

I would have preferred that Columbus deal with Anaheim or something, as this makes our division, which was already very strong, even stronger. Can't say I'm thrilled.

This.

In my mind, no way Kekalainen is trading dubois without getting back an impact guy. KK would have been acceptable to Bergevin I think, but he isn't proven enough for Kekalainen, even if he and KK have the same initials. Suzuki and someone would have been enough, but Bergevin wants to keep Nick.

The deal just made me think of the centres in the Canadian division. Left to right - Pettersson and Horvat, Monohan and Backlund, McDavid and Draisaitl, Scheiffele and Dubois, Tavares and Matthews. Suzuki, KK, and then the weak sister Ottawa with (cough) Stepan and Josh Norris. Six out of 7 ain't bad.

It seems pretty clear that the Canadian teams really have the cream of centres in the NHL. Unfortunately, the reverse is true at defense, where Hughes, Giordano, Morrissey, Reilly and Chabot are the best and I'd hesitate to put any in the Norris race and few in the top 10.

Isn't it great though that 2 GM's actually made a hockey trade involving two of the better young players in the league? Maybe there is hope, at least when 2 GM's are forced into it. We need players to demand more trades.

[seventeen]

Jan 23, 2021 13:30:46 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

I hope the are both problem children and cause grief in the dressing room.

I think Dubois is ok. Not sure about Laine but I don't think he's a big problem. Just a guy who needs a lot of back patting. Dubois' father works in the Jet organization, but not sure where. I bet he didn't think much of Torts' coaching style. I don't either. It words for a while and then wears on players. If I played for him, I'd wrap mattresses around my ankles and skates.

[Cranky]

Unless Torts is fired, Laine will be no different then Dubois. Laine one goal in life is to put up points for a payday, winning is secondary.

There is no way we could touch that offer wothout putting Suzuki in play, which is beyond a non starter.

Then there is the issue that in two years, we would have to sign Dubois for something in the neigborhood of 8+ million.

Would trading Kk, Caufield and our 1st for him make us better? Without a doubt. Probably real contenders. We would lose Byron, but who cares. Between Suzuki and Dubois, we would have a decade of center greatness. If Poehling and Evans step up to 2C-3C, then center elitism like we haven't seen since our glory day.

Can Kk be that good? I'm not so sure. Right now, he's getting better but hasn't shown any consistency of becomming a 1C. Flashes? Sure. Possibility? Sure. But the reason Dubois is not here is because Kk is still a question mark.

Disappointed there was no deal, but life goes on....

[PTH]

I'm always fascinated by these deals that come together because 2 guys were unhappy at the same moment, and not because of actual team needs.

I think Columbus has to consider itself lucky that the malcontent on another team was the better player, otherwise there's no way they get a Laine-type talent in return.

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I'm not sure Winnipeg is truly improved though, Laine seems to be a special talent. We might notice Dubois more against us, but Winnipeg won't be as lethal offensively overall. Plus, they now have neither of Dubois or Laine for two weeks.

[Skilly]

All 7 Canadian teams have lobbied the Canadian Government to change the quarantine rules back to the training camp rules .. that being 7 days of quarantine with 4 negative test results

[Cranky]

These guys are paying for their own tests. Four days of no positive and in isolation should be enough. Seven is overkill but fine.

The 14 days is ridiculous. It's just an arbitrary number vote lickers pulled out of their butt as a "safe" period. Test...test..test...instead of house arrest.

[mikeg]

Jan 23, 2021 16:29:20 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Unless Torts is fired, Laine will be no different then Dubois. Laine one goal in life is to put up points for a payday, winning is secondary.

There is no way we could touch that offer wothout putting Suzuki in play, which is beyond a non starter.

Then there is the issue that in two years, we would have to sign Dubois for something in the neigborhood of 8+ million.

Would trading Kk, Caufield and our 1st for him make us better? Without a doubt. Probably real contenders. We would lose Byron, but who cares. Between Suzuki and Dubois, we would have a decade of center greatness. If Poehling and Evans step up to 2C-3C, then center elitism like we haven't seen since our glory day.

Can Kk be that good? I'm not so sure. Right now, he's getting better but hasn't shown any consistency of becomming a 1C. Flashes? Sure. Possibility? Sure. But the reason Dubois is not here is because Kk is still a question mark.

Disappointed there was no deal, but life goes on....

Couple of notes on PLD and KK:

1) PLD has been on the big stage three times – the U-18’s, the U-20’s, and the QMJHL finals. In those 17 games, he scored one goal. In the QMJHL final he got swept, had one point and was -5. He is living off of the hype of having one three-goal playoff game against a porous Leafs’ defence three months ago. Jarmo really used that to his advantage here and landed himself a haul.

2) KK won the U-18 world’s carrying Finland on his back and outplayed Jack Hughes in the Gold Medal game. KK is team first, PLD is me first. I don’t want that.

I am a die hard kool aid drinker with Kotkaniemi, he’s got all the qualities of a leader and he is just 20. Guys like that, with his size and smart, and shot and vision end up succeeding and leading their teams far more often than they fail... guys like PLD, we have seen before and we know how that story ends.

[folatre]

I think it all came down to not being willing to part with Suzuki. From the Blue Jackets' perspective, landing Suzuki would have been huge because he is a potential 1C (or at least a good 2C) under club control 2026.

Laine is a giant stud sniper of the type that rarely come along; however, Columbus could be facing the possibility that he refuses to sign this summer for anything longer than two years. That would be quite a kick in the crotch for Kekalainen.

[PTH]

Jan 23, 2021 17:34:33 GMT -5 Cranky said:

These guys are paying for their own tests. Four days of no positive and in isolation should be enough. Seven is overkill but fine.

The 14 days is ridiculous. It's just an arbitrary number vote lickers pulled out of their butt as a "safe" period. Test...test..test...instead of house arrest.

As long as its the same quarantine length as non-special people, non sports fans can tolerate hockey happening.

If the privileged whiny millionaires start getting short-cuts to the front of the line, then it's not such smooth sailing.

I don't like these games happening 100% at times when I am not legally allowed outside my home.

[Disgruntled70sHab]