|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jan 23, 2021 23:03:55 GMT -5
These guys are paying for their own tests. Four days of no positive and in isolation should be enough. Seven is overkill but fine. The 14 days is ridiculous. It's just an arbitrary number vote lickers pulled out of their butt as a "safe" period. Test...test..test...instead of house arrest. A canadian company, Spartan Bioscience just got approval for their mobile rapid test unit... theyre ready to start shipping now... very cool... |
|
|
|
Post by GNick99 on Jan 24, 2021 13:15:41 GMT -5
I think it all came down to not being willing to part with Suzuki. From the Blue Jackets' perspective, landing Suzuki would have been huge because he is a potential 1C (or at least a good 2C) under club control 2026. Laine is a giant stud sniper of the type that rarely come along; however, Columbus could be facing the possibility that he refuses to sign this summer for anything longer than two years. That would be quite a kick in the crotch for Kekalainen. Chris Johnston was on HNIC last night said Jackets wanted Suzuki plus 2 other assets. Way too high. I wouldn't trade Suzuki even up for Dubois. Look at Suzuki 6 games into last season? He was struggling between a winger or center. Now he is compared to Bergeron. How much better will he be with another year of experience? |
|
|
|
Post by GNick99 on Jan 24, 2021 13:15:56 GMT -5
.
|
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2021 18:56:01 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Jan 24, 2021 19:21:22 GMT -5
Laine's gripe in Winnipeg was always that he did not get to play with the Jets' first line centre. Now I have a feeling Laine's gripe will be that he is stuck on a team that does not have first line talent to play alongside him.
Columbus got the best player. Winnipeg got the guy best positioned to be successful (Dubois as a 2C is a dream).
|
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2021 19:30:37 GMT -5
Laine's gripe in Winnipeg was always that he did not get to play with the Jets' first line centre. Now I have a feeling Laine's gripe will be that he is stuck on a team that does not have first line talent to play alongside him. Columbus got the best player. Winnipeg got the guy best positioned to be successful (Dubois as a 2C is a dream). Maybe in Laine wants to play alongside a fellow Finn... Winnipeg retained 1.755 mill in salary and gave up roslovic as well... wow, Cheveldayoff really wanted Dubois or really wanted to get rid of Laine... |
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Jan 24, 2021 20:28:55 GMT -5
Jeje, are you having a laugh at old man Koivu?
For sure, Cheveldayoff had no choice but to retain money but it is only for this season (Columbus will be on their own next season with what will likely be a mega-bridge deal that walks Laine into unrestricted free agency). Laine makes $7.5 million this season so that means Columbus has to pay him at least $7.5 million next season to even keep him on a one year deal.
My feeling is Dubois is a good fit for Winnipeg and I think they will get at least three or three and a half years of good service out of him.
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 27, 2021 14:21:06 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by jkr on Jan 27, 2021 15:38:31 GMT -5
Very unflattering picture of Dubois. He comes across as selfish & overrated. |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 27, 2021 19:12:43 GMT -5
He's 22-year-old young man who didn't get his way, and now he's playing in Winnipeg ... I thought of what might have transpired in Montreal had Pierre-Luc Dubois been traded there ... not sure the organization would have been able to keep up with jersey sales ... he'd be the new face of the team, and the toast of Montreal ... normal 22-year-old stuff, I guess ... still, I can't give the guy a pass ... everyone starts out somewhere, and it's not always the job you want ... I'm okay with him not making it to Montreal ... just not sure if he had been a good fit ...
Cheers.
|
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Jan 27, 2021 21:29:27 GMT -5
Just to play Devil's Advocate here, I heard an interview last week with Kekalainen on TSN1050 Toronto and he said 'no way, not at all did the negotiations factor into Dubois wanting to leave.' Okay, Kekalainen seems like a decent person and he is certainly entitled to his opinion. But it is just his interpretation of what happened, nothing more.
The counter is that many of these young guys who are in the star category, right or wrong, expect star treatment and not only in terms of not big AAV numbers, the kids in Toronto, Point in Tampa, and Tkachuk in Calgary got big time July 1 money. So perhaps Kekalainen, in his own mind, thinks hey I am treating a RFA with no arbitration rights fairly because according to the CBA the club holds all the leverage. But things have changed because GMs like Dubas gave kids coming off their ELC absolutely everything they wanted. Other young stars take note and some of them apparently feel offended when their club basically says hey take it or leave it and there are no special bells and bows for you.
I am not saying I agree with Dubois and I certainly do not condone what he did on the ice against Tampa in his final game wearing the Columbus sweater. But I think that Kekalainen is being pollyannish when he claims ‘no way, not a chance, Dubois was not miffed by the way we handled the negotiation.’
|
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Jan 28, 2021 20:06:53 GMT -5
Tortorella needs to get a grip. It's over. So stop spouting off in the media.
There could be mass exodus of talent out of Columbus before the trade deadline in 2022.
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 8, 2021 19:08:37 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Feb 8, 2021 22:09:07 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Feb 8, 2021 22:25:46 GMT -5
TSN got rid of the article. Torts is an ahole, so the PLD saga is totally on him. Now he moves on to the next victim. |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 9, 2021 11:46:23 GMT -5
TSN got rid of the article. Torts is an ahole, so the PLD saga is totally on him. Now he moves on to the next victim. Here it is, fellas ... |
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Feb 9, 2021 16:00:20 GMT -5
Laine is a floater in his own end. I watched the play in question and he didn't even bother to fake covering his man. He looked more like a winger on the opposing team waiting to get a pass...to score.
So yes, Laine is a lazy, one dimensional player. I've argued elsewhere that to me, he's a great 20 goal scorer because he's so soft on his 200 ft game, the other team gets gifted 20 goals.
But....butt...and there are always two halves to the question...
Why not try to make Laine into a better player by coaching him? Pull him aside, beyond prying eyes and have a discussion. Or whatever passes as a discussion with Torts. If he fails to respond after multiple attempts, trade him. Which is the NHL equivalent of firing him.
This benching and yelling is so 50s. With today's millionaires and stupid GMs, somebody else will see those 40 goals and think....yeah, but he can't be that bad.
Yeah, he is.....he's a lazy one dimensional player. Doubt it will ever change. Doubt GMs will get smarter.
And Torts is a management dinosaur...
|
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Feb 9, 2021 16:23:40 GMT -5
And now this:
Koivu is too classy a player to ever come out and blame the coach, and after 15 years with the same team maybe he just realized his heart wasn't in it with a new organization and he decided he just didn't want to play anymore.
But the timing is... interesting.
|
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2021 16:29:53 GMT -5
He's 37, cbj are stuck with his cap hit
|
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Feb 9, 2021 18:43:58 GMT -5
I think it is absurd that Tortorella was still calling out Dubois publicly four days after the trade. It is one thing to value directness and transparency in one's dealing with colleagues or subordinates. But why in the world was he going on beating a dead horse after the fact? Frankly, I think that makes him look a total tool.
And now he is having trouble with the quirky giant Finn super sniper...surprise, surprise.
Tortorella is a throw back and I am not sure this is good thing for Kekalainen right now. But I wonder if Tortorella is acting even more brazenly than normal, in other words totally going rogue so to speak, because he is a man without a contract beyond June.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Feb 9, 2021 18:44:33 GMT -5
I thought we had a lock on him to join the Habs. Never happened.
|
|
|
|
Post by jkr on Feb 10, 2021 7:30:55 GMT -5
I think it is absurd that Tortorella was still calling out Dubois publicly four days after the trade. It is one thing to value directness and transparency in one's dealing with colleagues or subordinates. But why in the world was he going on beating a dead horse after the fact? Frankly, I think that makes him look a total tool. And now he is having trouble with the quirky giant Finn super sniper...surprise, surprise. Tortorella is a throw back and I am not sure this is good thing for Kekalainen right now. But I wonder if Tortorella is acting even more brazenly than normal, in other words totally going rogue so to speak, because he is a man without a contract beyond June. How many quality played have left just in the last few years. Duchene, Panarin, Bobrovsky, Dubois, Anderson. What's it going to take for the GM to realize the coach is holding him back? He can acquire all the stars he wants, Tortorella just scares them off. |
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Feb 10, 2021 15:36:14 GMT -5
As a coach, torts wants the same level of commitment and structure as Julien.
Difference is their filters....
|
|
|
|
Post by GNick99 on Feb 13, 2021 10:12:36 GMT -5
Laine not best fit in Columbus. He has great shot and skill but lacks hockey smarts and defense. You know this will not go over well with Torts. Sounds like they were trying to get most value for Dubois but not best fit.
|
|
|
|
Post by GNick99 on May 2, 2021 6:13:37 GMT -5
Maybe best Dubois didn't end up here? After Drouin. Listening to Jets fans on call in shows some are frustrated with him. Pressure on Dubois would been enormous.
Second part to my post. If we could get a Josh Anderson type trade for Laine would you take it?
|
|
|
|
Post by folatre on May 2, 2021 16:03:27 GMT -5
I tend to think Dubois came to camp disgruntled and never got fully prepared for the season and then he had two-week quarantine, and Paul Maurice playing him on the wing. I believe he will be fine.
I would take a big natural sniper like Laine who ha already scored a boatload of goals in the league at age 23, but in a salary cap world it just cannot happen. His qualifying offer this summer has to be at least $7.5 million. And if you want to get his name on anything longer than a 1-2 year deal, the number would probably have to be in the $8.5-9.5 range.
I see him ending up in Southern California (Anaheim and the Kings both have a lot of cap space and no goal scoring). His quirky personality probably would not bother anyone out on the West Coast, whereas maybe folks in Manitoba and Ohio find Laine to be a bit of an odd dude.
|
|
|
|
Post by Tankdriver on May 3, 2021 11:27:24 GMT -5
I tend to think Dubois came to camp disgruntled and never got fully prepared for the season and then he had two-week quarantine, and Paul Maurice playing him on the wing. I believe he will be fine. I would take a big natural sniper like Laine who ha already scored a boatload of goals in the league at age 23, but in a salary cap world it just cannot happen. His qualifying offer this summer has to be at least $7.5 million. And if you want to get his name on anything longer than a 1-2 year deal, the number would probably have to be in the $8.5-9.5 range. I see him ending up in Southern California (Anaheim and the Kings both have a lot of cap space and no goal scoring). His quirky personality probably would not bother anyone out on the West Coast, whereas maybe folks in Manitoba and Ohio find Laine to be a bit of an odd dude. Anyway a deal would work is if Drouin is heading out. Has to be money in vs Money out. That is not even including what Columbus really wants. |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 4, 2021 16:42:46 GMT -5
Maybe best Dubois didn't end up here ... Pressure on Dubois would have been enormous This is where I am with it, GNick ... I'm not sure if I mentioned it before, but I'm actually kind of glad Pierre-Luc Dubois didn't land in Montreal ... he'd have become a media star, and the toast of Montreal practically overnight ... he may handle that attention well, I honestly don't know, but I'd be more concerned about how that shift in attention would affect the team ... Absolutely, though I suspect The Peg would be asking a lot more than just a Max Domi type of player, and a draft pick ... Dubois is from Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, which is ~ 100 KMS north of Montreal (Wiki), and the asking price would probably reflect that ... though, I do have a red flag in that I'm not convinced that Dubois comes, as advertised ... don't get me wrong, he's their 2nd-line centre avec les Jets, but I still haven't seen the 'superstar' come out in him ... I'm not saying he doesn't have the talent, but his best season garnered him just 61 points (in 82 GP) ... those are great numbers for a 2nd-line centre, but it's not so great for a player who's touted as being a 'superstar' ... I saw him go through the motions when he wanted out in Columbus, and he hasn't shown to be an elite talent in The Peg, so far ... to be fair, I haven't heard any criticism on him since he hit The Peg, and he's still only 22 years old ... he might have done very well in Montreal, but we won't know now ... as for Patrik Laine, he had problems in The Peg, and now he's having problems with Columbus ... both Jets and Blue Jackets fans can get riled at times (what fan base doesn't) but it's at a different level in Montreal ... as with Dubois, Laine would feed off the adoration of the fans when things are going well, but I'm not sure how they'd do once those same fans start fingering them for the team's woes ... that's only me, though, GNick ... Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on May 5, 2021 0:54:31 GMT -5
PLD is a starting to bother me. I've getting this faint odor of Guillaume Latendresse emminating from him. Less Warrior King....and more Prince Shorten Expectations...
As for cost Kk and Guhle. Kk and a second sure, but full stop there.
|
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on May 5, 2021 16:58:01 GMT -5
PLD is a starting to bother me. I've getting this faint odor of Guillaume Latendresse emminating from him. Less Warrior King....and more Prince Shorten Expectations... As for cost Kk and Guhle. Kk and a second sure, but full stop there. No way... not interested in PLD... |
|
:quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/6F6VF25GCFF2HFJCOITRJSGNPE.jpg)
