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Post by Cranky on Jan 15, 2021 12:36:50 GMT -5
As for the 14 days...
The NHL can easily argue that they will test the player every single day for a week.
From what i know, if you test positive, they send you home and the next test is days later. Even for no test but you flew in, it's head to jail first for 14 days.
If these guys test every day then why 14 days?
BTW....14 days is picked as the time you may have it with no symptoms and then get over it....or need a stretcher. Which is bullpucks in itself because it may linger for weeksand weeks.
If it doesn't show up for a week, you're well past good to go. Probably good to go if it doesn't show up in 3 days.
Imagine trying to run a multinational with 14 days of quaritine.
Test...test..test....instead of more jail time.
I learned all that from my online medical degree....
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 15, 2021 13:24:05 GMT -5
Some of the deals being tossed around by that Ryan Dixon dude at sportsnet are borderline laughable. How about Dubois for Ryan Strome, Kakko, and a second round pick? How about Dubois for Turcotte, Kalyiev, and a second? Good grief, Strome is like a 2C on a bad team who happens to give intermittent effort. Kakko has potential but he actually had a less impressive rookie season than Kotkaniemi had two years ago. Turcotte and Kalyiev have not played in the NHL and for me they are far from being can't miss stars. I agree with the premise that Kekalainen will want young NHL players who he believes can be big time producers. I do not believe for one instant that anyone is going to convince him with magic beans. The other thing that was strange about all of Dixon's proposals is that none of them provide the Blue Jackets with young quality blueliners. Kekalainen knows that keeping Jones and Werenski (both needs contracts in 2022) is a long shot so why in the world would he not insist on a young d-man or two? As seen with Duchene and Pacioretty trades, if they drag out long enough eventually Jackets will get Kings ransom. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 15, 2021 14:36:31 GMT -5
Some of the deals being tossed around by that Ryan Dixon dude at sportsnet are borderline laughable. How about Dubois for Ryan Strome, Kakko, and a second round pick? How about Dubois for Turcotte, Kalyiev, and a second? Good grief, Strome is like a 2C on a bad team who happens to give intermittent effort. Kakko has potential but he actually had a less impressive rookie season than Kotkaniemi had two years ago. Turcotte and Kalyiev have not played in the NHL and for me they are far from being can't miss stars. I agree with the premise that Kekalainen will want young NHL players who he believes can be big time producers. I do not believe for one instant that anyone is going to convince him with magic beans. The other thing that was strange about all of Dixon's proposals is that none of them provide the Blue Jackets with young quality blueliners. Kekalainen knows that keeping Jones and Werenski (both needs contracts in 2022) is a long shot so why in the world would he not insist on a young d-man or two? I think he is trying to give a center back to Columbus. That affects his deals. I could maybe see a Barkov for Dubois swap. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 15, 2021 15:50:51 GMT -5
Yes, Tank. That's a good fit. The way Laine has started out, maybe Kekalainen should have done the deal with the JEts.
There was a tweet the other day after the James Harden deal, lampooning NHL GM's, rightfully so. In the NBA, where trades are complicated by stretches of time where a player can't be traded and by the necessity of matching salaries, GM's are still able to pull off massive 3 team trades involving superstars and do it often!
NHL GM's are like Chicken Little worried that every move they make will be a mistake. (exhibit A - Marc Bergevin who wants every deal to be a guarantee and whose teams have won nothing).
In the NBA, Laine, Dubois, Barkov and various other guys would already have been traded and the excitement would be high for all fans. Salaries are higher in the NBA so it's easier for players to stomach being traded (Kelly Olynyk, a good Kamloops boy, makes more money than any NHL player).
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Post by folatre on Jan 15, 2021 17:49:14 GMT -5
Barkov is a clear cut 1C, probably on everyone's list of the top 10 centres in the NHL. And he is right there in his prime at 25 years old. So if he was locked up long-term, Kekalainen would probably feel like Dubois for Barkov is a slight upgrade.
Of course, though, the problem is that Barkov is not far away from unrestricted free agency (2022) and he is probably not giving whoever he is playing for a hometown discount since the numbers would suggest that he vastly outperformed his contract. So how does Kekalainen feel about having him for about twelve months and then being forced to deal him at the trade deadline in 2022?
Laine is a stud, but he is not a centre so Winnipeg would have to add. What about Dubois and Bemstrom for Laine, Roslovic (he is from Columbus apparently), and Heinola? Again, the problem is the contract status of the centerpiece of the deal going to the Blue Jackets. Will Kekalainen be able to talk the enigmatic Laine into signing long-term in a smallish market and owners who refuse to shell out July 1 money?
This kind of trade is tricky for a club like Columbus because they are a not a "destination." Therefore, Kekalainen needs to walk that fine line where he gets back real NHL players with considerable upside who are young enough that he controls them for the foreseeable future.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 16, 2021 4:04:29 GMT -5
Some of the deals being tossed around by that Ryan Dixon dude at sportsnet are borderline laughable. How about Dubois for Ryan Strome, Kakko, and a second round pick? How about Dubois for Turcotte, Kalyiev, and a second? Good grief, Strome is like a 2C on a bad team who happens to give intermittent effort. Kakko has potential but he actually had a less impressive rookie season than Kotkaniemi had two years ago. Turcotte and Kalyiev have not played in the NHL and for me they are far from being can't miss stars. I agree with the premise that Kekalainen will want young NHL players who he believes can be big time producers. I do not believe for one instant that anyone is going to convince him with magic beans. The other thing that was strange about all of Dixon's proposals is that none of them provide the Blue Jackets with young quality blueliners. Kekalainen knows that keeping Jones and Werenski (both needs contracts in 2022) is a long shot so why in the world would he not insist on a young d-man or two? I think he is trying to give a center back to Columbus. That affects his deals. I could maybe see a Barkov for Dubois swap. That would do it. Barkov the young center. |
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Post by PTH on Jan 17, 2021 0:03:49 GMT -5
I just can't see major transactions happening; doing without high-end players for a 2 week quarantine just isn't an option this year, and even a lesser player, you have to be able to live with the taxi squad guy for 2 weeks beforehand... Plus how many teams have the young offensive center they want in return? Plus have room to take on cap money. Not many teams can do that. Could be we in front line more than we think. Deal Armia and Danault in trade frees up 5m. Plus imagine they want our top prospect and our first pick. My point though is that you have to do without everyone for 2 weeks, ie, 6 or 7 games. Domi for Anderson, done at this time of year, means losing Domi and not having Anderson in the lineup for 2 weeks, and that's the quarantine - it might well take him 3 days to move up here, knowing he won't be able to go back anytime soon, and definitely not just over a weekend of so to pick up stuff. So likely 17-18 days before the new guy joins the lineup. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 17, 2021 21:07:40 GMT -5
Florida made a lot of changes. Churla down there maybe we can make 3 team deal with them? Barkov going to Colombus, Dubois coming here. Florida probably like to cut salary and add futures.
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Post by folatre on Jan 17, 2021 21:31:48 GMT -5
That gets complicated. So which club would be getting the assets that Bergevin necessarily gives up? It seems like Florida would be getting the assets that Montreal gives up. But where would that leave Columbus? They are not a destination market and Barkov will be a UFA in 2022 so how does Kekalainen pull the trigger?
I think that Bergevin has the type of assets (young club controllable NHLers, not just magic beans with 18 year old kids in a draft) that would be very viable in a deal for Dubois. However, the problem is twofold: the cap and the crazy 2021 sprint season where missing key guys for two weeks could kill you. Bergevin would be fortunate if the Blue Jackets start winning some games and Kekalainen feels as though the offers coming in right now both in terms of quality and quantity are inferior to what he will see being offered in July.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 18, 2021 5:46:25 GMT -5
That gets complicated. So which club would be getting the assets that Bergevin necessarily gives up? It seems like Florida would be getting the assets that Montreal gives up. But where would that leave Columbus? They are not a destination market and Barkov will be a UFA in 2022 so how does Kekalainen pull the trigger? I think that Bergevin has the type of assets (young club controllable NHLers, not just magic beans with 18 year old kids in a draft) that would be very viable in a deal for Dubois. However, the problem is twofold: the cap and the crazy 2021 sprint season where missing key guys for two weeks could kill you. Bergevin would be fortunate if the Blue Jackets start winning some games and Kekalainen feels as though the offers coming in right now both in terms of quality and quantity are inferior to what he will see being offered in July. Jackets going to have to give up some tangible like 2 more years of control. To jump to proven 90 points Barkov. Dubois only scored 49 points last year. If they are not near impossible to trade Dubois without giving up some tangibles. In this covid and cap restricted season. They are rebuilding so Jackets want now. Unless they fall out of contention and fire Torts. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 18, 2021 13:35:16 GMT -5
Florida made a lot of changes. Churla down there maybe we can make 3 team deal with them? Barkov going to Colombus, Dubois coming here. Florida probably like to cut salary and add futures. Florida beat Chicago last night 5-2. I hear rumours the Hawks are going to change their name to something more politically correct: "The Rented Mules". |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 18, 2021 13:45:50 GMT -5
Florida made a lot of changes. Churla down there maybe we can make 3 team deal with them? Barkov going to Colombus, Dubois coming here. Florida probably like to cut salary and add futures. Florida beat Chicago last night 5-2. I hear rumours the Hawks are going to change their name to something more politically correct: "The Rented Mules". lol... I have no pity .... They had their time... 1st overall picks, stanley cups... it's coming to an end and they have to start from scratch... just like the Pens and Caps in a year or 2. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 18, 2021 14:52:11 GMT -5
Florida beat Chicago last night 5-2. I hear rumours the Hawks are going to change their name to something more politically correct: " The Rented Mules". Very, very good ...  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 18, 2021 15:21:12 GMT -5
Florida beat Chicago last night 5-2. I hear rumours the Hawks are going to change their name to something more politically correct: " The Rented Mules". Very, very good ... Or how about the Chicago Bleak Hawks  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 18, 2021 15:53:07 GMT -5
Florida beat Chicago last night 5-2. I hear rumours the Hawks are going to change their name to something more politically correct: " The Rented Mules". Very, very good ... if blackhawks, eskimos, indians and braves are offensive why isn't it offensive to call Canadiens offensive to Canadians they haven't exactly been winners this century? Dubois was a #3 draft pick, same as Kotka, both big, skilled and#3 pick centers Both promising, Kotka is cheaper and without attitude |
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 19, 2021 17:43:01 GMT -5
Would you fellows deal KK for Dubois? No other pieces involved.
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Post by folatre on Jan 19, 2021 18:11:48 GMT -5
Yes, I would. Dubois has twice as many games played in the NHL, which makes it easier to project what he is. And I think for this reason Kekalainen would hold out for more and no doubt get more from some other suitor if Bergevin was not willing to part with more.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 19, 2021 19:56:21 GMT -5
Would you fellows deal KK for Dubois? No other pieces involved. Columbus wouldn't do it... if KK had played the nhl games PLD had and was comparable then a 1 for could be done similar to Domi and Anderson... but if KK was like PLD then why bother making the trade unless KK became a problem child... |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 19, 2021 22:24:49 GMT -5
Would you fellows deal KK for Dubois? No other pieces involved. Without a doubt. Dubois has already proven he is better then Kk. Will Kk surpass him? Maybe. Maybe not. The only downside is that we will lose Byron to do that. Realistically, it will be more then Kk to get it done. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jan 20, 2021 11:00:36 GMT -5
Very, very good ... Or how about the Chicago Bleak Hawks The Hawks goaltending is awful so maybe they could be used as a trade partner in a three way deal between the Habs and CBJ. Montreal is deep in goaltending right now and I would be fine with seeing Price/Allen for the next 2-3 years. Habs trade Primeau to Hawks for Brandon Hayden. Habs trade Danault, Mete and Hayden to CBJ to PLD |
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Post by PTH on Jan 20, 2021 11:38:45 GMT -5
Or how about the Chicago Bleak Hawks The Hawks goaltending is awful so maybe they could be used as a trade partner in a three way deal between the Habs and CBJ. Montreal is deep in goaltending right now and I would be fine with seeing Price/Allen for the next 2-3 years. Habs trade Primeau to Hawks for Brandon Hayden. Habs trade Danault, Mete and Hayden to CBJ to PLD And then we lose Allen to the expansion draft, and we're right back down to a 35 year old Price with no succession plan ? No thanks. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 20, 2021 13:07:54 GMT -5
Yes, I would. Dubois has twice as many games played in the NHL, which makes it easier to project what he is. And I think for this reason Kekalainen would hold out for more and no doubt get more from some other suitor if Bergevin was not willing to part with more. I am kind of torn on it. Think better trades may come along. There are cap implications, long term control and quarantine to consider. Maybe revisit it at deadline or in off season. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 21, 2021 12:02:18 GMT -5
Would you fellows deal KK for Dubois? No other pieces involved. Columbus wouldn't do it... if KK had played the nhl games PLD had and was comparable then a 1 for could be done similar to Domi and Anderson... but if KK was like PLD then why bother making the trade unless KK became a problem child... You way higher on Dubois than me. Think Koktaniemi will be as good if not better. Dubois is terrible on faceoffs, only 45% last season. We need a center who can win key draws. Dubois doesn't the hands. Only 1 season of 60 points. Other 2 years he had 48 and 49 points. In 3 years of junior Dubois only averaged 1.2 ppg. Not really great numbers for the Q. The offensive pedigree is not there. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 21, 2021 16:41:51 GMT -5
Columbus wouldn't do it... if KK had played the nhl games PLD had and was comparable then a 1 for could be done similar to Domi and Anderson... but if KK was like PLD then why bother making the trade unless KK became a problem child... You way higher on Dubois than me. Think Koktaniemi will be as good if not better. Dubois is terrible on faceoffs, only 45% last season. We need a center who can win key draws. Dubois doesn't the hands. Only 1 season of 60 points. Other 2 years he had 48 and 49 points. In 3 years of junior Dubois only averaged 1.2 ppg. Not really great numbers for the Q. The offensive pedigree is not there. I'm not higher on Dubois... I want to keep KK... all I'm saying is a 1 for 1 is possible if they played the same number of games, but if KK was the same level, then why trade... I think KK will become a beast to handle |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 21, 2021 17:20:51 GMT -5
Here's the argument against including Suzuki in any deal for PLD. Highlights of his 4 games so far this season:
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 22, 2021 9:43:34 GMT -5
I'm usually not one to let the inmates run the asylum, but at a certain point you have to start pointing fingers at the coach. It's easy to say Dubois is a pouty brat, but what about Panarin? Bobrovsky? Duchene? Where would the Blue Jackets be if those guys weren't so desperate to get out of there? And now Dubois and (possibly) Domi are at odds with the coach?
The Blue Jackets are lucky in that both Detroit and Chicago are in their division, so their road to the playoffs isn't as difficult as it would be if they were in say the Canadian division. They have one win in five games this year, but two of those four losses were in overtime, so they're still picking up points. Tortorella is in the last year of his contract. But if I'm Jarmo Kekäläinen and the Blue Jackets lose a couple of more games I'm pulling the pin on the coach.
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Post by folatre on Jan 22, 2021 10:53:33 GMT -5
I agree, BC. However, Columbus is well known for being a frugal (cheap) organization so there is the possibility that ownership will not allow the GM to get rid of the bad tempered coach. And there is not necessarily reason to believe that Dubois will feel differently about things without Tortorella. LeBrun said a few weeks ago that the contract negotiations strained the relationship between Dubois and Kekalainen.
What is becoming clear though is that Kekalainen will probably not have the luxury of waiting until July to trade Dubois, which is a shame for Columbus because I think there would be more and better offers. But the situation there is now officially untenable and he may have no choice but to take the best offer available.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 22, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -5
Whatever his reasons for wanting out, PLD is not helping his cause by not showing up like he did last night. Whatever your differences with the organization you don't quit on your teammates, or on yourself for that matter. Does he think that Marc (values character above all else) Bergevin and every other GM isn't watching?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 22, 2021 12:27:11 GMT -5
Whatever his reasons for wanting out, PLD is not helping his cause by not showing up like he did last night. Whatever your differences with the organization you don't quit on your teammates, or on yourself for that matter. Does he think that Marc (values character above all else) Bergevin and every other GM isn't watching? ... I'd like to know what's what with this guy ...
... will he pull the same stunts in Montreal ...
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 22, 2021 13:37:43 GMT -5
Whatever his reasons for wanting out, PLD is not helping his cause by not showing up like he did last night. Whatever your differences with the organization you don't quit on your teammates, or on yourself for that matter. Does he think that Marc (values character above all else) Bergevin and every other GM isn't watching? Yeah, I get your point. I am unsold on Dubois. For sure I would not offer more than Koktaniemi |
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