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Post by seventeen on Oct 24, 2021 21:07:32 GMT -5
No Crosby or Malkin in the lineup but Pittsburgh spanking the Leafs hard. Now 7-1 in the 3rd. I heard a stat somewhere that coming into this season, Pittsburgh were something like 35-15-2 when Crosby and Malkin don't play Should trade both of them and get some solid stay at home defensemen. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 25, 2021 19:09:58 GMT -5
I was watching the Washington @ Ottawa game, and the announcer (John Barrett, the Montreal announcer) says:
"There are two ways to bring along young players. The old, make them earn their time way, or you embrace them. Washington's vets have decided to embrace them, accept them, and are truly happy for their successes"
Thing that make a Hab fan go hrmmmmmmmm.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 25, 2021 21:10:40 GMT -5
I was watching the Washington @ Ottawa game, and the announcer (John Barrett, the Montreal announcer) says: "There are two ways to bring along young players. The old, make them earn their time way, or you embrace them. Washington's vets have decided to embrace them, accept them, and are truly happy for their successes" Thing that make a Hab fan go hrmmmmmmmm. Jeebus... dont think it's the vets on the team, it's the dinosaurs behind the bench and in the offices |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 26, 2021 6:07:01 GMT -5
Watched the Sens Caps game last night and it pains me to say this but the Sens are building a real contender, they're big, strong, fast and they're developing their pieces really well. They have a good coach and their GM is building through the draft and supplementing the kids with vets to support not replace the kids.
Norris and pinto at centre
Stutzle, Tkachuk, formenton and batherson on the wing
Chabot and Zub who looks like he'll be a good one too
And Gustavsson should turn out to be a good goaltender
This does not bode well for us.
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Post by jkr on Oct 26, 2021 8:06:42 GMT -5
What's going on in Buffalo? Sabres are 4-1-1 after beating Tampa last night. The building is very empty though. Not sure if that's because of local laws or people aren't going.
And the Leafs lose their 3rd in a row, 4-1 to the Canes, who along with Florida and St. Louis remain unbeaten.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 26, 2021 8:27:52 GMT -5
What's going on in Buffalo? Sabres are 4-1-1 after beating Tampa last night. The building is very empty though. Not sure if that's because of local laws or people aren't going. And the Leafs lose their 3rd in a row, 4-1 to the Canes, who along with Florida and St. Louis remain unbeaten. I went back and forth between the laffs and hens game, the laffs are in trouble... maybe the Habs broke them last year? |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 26, 2021 9:03:56 GMT -5
What's going on in Buffalo? Sabres are 4-1-1 after beating Tampa last night. The building is very empty though. Not sure if that's because of local laws or people aren't going. And the Leafs lose their 3rd in a row, 4-1 to the Canes, who along with Florida and St. Louis remain unbeaten. And Edmonton |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 26, 2021 12:49:54 GMT -5
The independent review findings will be released later today. This could be a really ugly day for the Blackhawks.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 26, 2021 16:33:43 GMT -5
2 million dollar fine. Whoopie ****+++ Doo
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 26, 2021 18:07:40 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 27, 2021 17:07:04 GMT -5
Kyle Beach is the 'John Doe' of this story ... released a few minutes ago ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 27, 2021 18:36:53 GMT -5
Kyle Beach is the 'John Doe' of this story ... released a few minutes ago ... Cheers. Wow... this should have huge ramifications... if bowman steps down for knowing, then shouldn't everyone in the know suffer the same fate? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 27, 2021 21:40:56 GMT -5
If coach Q had an ounce of character, he would have taken himself out of tonight’s game to allow the process to play itself out. I have no faith in the NHL to get this right, but Beach’s testimony about Q is damning. Winning a Cup could not be derailed by some 20 year old prospect’s claim. Sickening.
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Post by jkr on Oct 28, 2021 5:58:44 GMT -5
In any other organization this would get you dismissed in a nano second. At least Bowman did the proper thing and left. How does Quenneville look at himself in the mirror, let alone appear in public and coach his team.
Once again Bettman and the NHL have completely screwed up.
Also Donald Fehr and the NHLPA have a lot to answer for as well. What did they do to help this guy?
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Post by jkr on Oct 28, 2021 6:57:23 GMT -5
Watched the Oilers highlights. Man, is Koskinen a lousy netminder. He allowed one on a poorly played wraparound, another when he got caught behind the net and the eventual winner in the 3rd on a shot the got through his 5 hole. Hard to believe that even Chiarelli thought this guy was worth 4.5 million.
At least they can wave goodbye to him after this season and Holland can find a goalie that can stop a puck and isn't over 40.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 28, 2021 12:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Oct 28, 2021 14:06:08 GMT -5
In any other organization this would get you dismissed in a nano second. At least Bowman did the proper thing and left. How does Quenneville look at himself in the mirror, let alone appear in public and coach his team. Once again Bettman and the NHL have completely screwed up. Also Donald Fehr and the NHLPA have a lot to answer for as well. What did they do to help this guy? Toews has come out and seems like a tool, and my respect for him has fallen seriously. Already his refusal to mention suffering from long covid for the longest time didn't help. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 28, 2021 15:53:51 GMT -5
Don't want to paint all Saskathewanians in the same light as two of my friends (really bright guys and not anti-vaxxers) are from SK, but man are there ever a lot of reeally conservative types there. The oil patch mentality took over many of them and that's generally not an altruistic approach to life. Very similar to Alberta, where I also have some great, bright, progressive friends and family. Those on the other far side of the spectrum do the province a disservice.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 28, 2021 17:28:53 GMT -5
In any other organization this would get you dismissed in a nano second. At least Bowman did the proper thing and left. How does Quenneville look at himself in the mirror, let alone appear in public and coach his team. Once again Bettman and the NHL have completely screwed up. Also Donald Fehr and the NHLPA have a lot to answer for as well. What did they do to help this guy? The NHLPA is a joke... they're like a neutered, declawed cat... what an absolutely useless organization... Fehr apologized... big deal... why aren't you screaming for those involved to be fired from their current jobs... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 28, 2021 20:55:46 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Oct 28, 2021 21:06:28 GMT -5
Wow. Appropriate, but wow. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 29, 2021 5:42:17 GMT -5
And Quenneville has about 15 million dollars left on that deal.
What I don't understand is why they felt the need to be quiet. How was doing the right thing going to derail a team like Chicago in 2010? Makes no sense.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 29, 2021 6:26:32 GMT -5
Chevy meets with Bettman today... I expect the same will happen
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 29, 2021 12:11:51 GMT -5
Reilly signed a team friendly deal of 60 million, 8 yrs, with a cap of 7.5 million annually. I looked at the Leafs roster going forward and they have like 5.5 million and have to sign 6 or 7 players next year, including a backup/starter to replace Campbell. They really do need to trade one of their 10 million guys and spread that money around on 2 players. I think the Nylander deal is good value, so even if you trade him you aren't going to get much savings as you still would need to replace him.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 29, 2021 14:26:34 GMT -5
I've been proposing trading Matthews for a couple of years now. Yes, it's wild and crazy, but not if you look at it rationally. First, you get rid of an $11M CAP headache. Secondly, he has a history of not winning much. He didn't win any World Juniour championships. The year he was with Zurich in the Swiss league, they finished first and lost in the first round of the playoffs (sound familiar?). So...that's part 1 of my reasoning.
Part 2 is the return you could get for him. A 24 year old superstar? Who might Dallas give up, for example? I'd start with Heiskanen. Have to be him. Dennis Gurianov? Mavrik Bourque, a first rounder...all of the above.
I just picked Dallas out of thin air because I wanted an elite defenseman back in return and Heiskanen is that. Nill might not even do it, though Matthews would be quite attractive and the Stars are deep on D.
How about the Avs. I'd start with Bowen Byram and Alex Newhook. Add another really good bottom 6 guy. Think Joe wouldn't want a centre group of Mckinnon, Matthews, Kadri and Jost? Without significantly weakening his current roster? It's not like Matthews is old so this should be attractive, if he can work out his CAP issues, which would be the problem.
Anyway, the point is made. You can get a hell of a lot for him, improve the defense, probably get a better goalie thrown in along with a second centre, which you would now need. That would take guts, huh? But Matthews is a loser...lose him.
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Post by jkr on Oct 30, 2021 15:53:14 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 2, 2021 8:46:21 GMT -5
Bettman as a funny way of defining "senior leadership".
Head Coach at the meeting: Culpable and resigned from current position.
Asst. General Manager at the meeting: No culpability.
Stating his reasoning behind sparing Cheveldayoff of discipline, Bettman concluded that Cheveldayoff was "not a member of the Blackhawks senior leadership team in 2010" and that he "cannot, therefore, assign to him responsibility for the Club’s actions, or inactions."
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Post by jkr on Nov 2, 2021 8:54:59 GMT -5
Bettman as a funny way of defining "senior leadership". Head Coach at the meeting: Culpable and resigned from current position. Asst. General Manager at the meeting: No culpability. Stating his reasoning behind sparing Cheveldayoff of discipline, Bettman concluded that Cheveldayoff was "not a member of the Blackhawks senior leadership team in 2010" and that he "cannot, therefore, assign to him responsibility for the Club’s actions, or inactions."Stupid. Did he know? If he did know and did nothing than he's culpable. Doesn't matter how junior you are. If you see something like this , report it. What an effing league. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 2, 2021 14:15:11 GMT -5
Ok, I'll step into the shoes of defense counsel for Chevy since basically the call is for everyone from the owner to the stick boy to suffer consequences. I hope Beach gets $50MM from the Hawks, even if money can't turn back the clock. What happened to him was despicable and it was due to a cultural foundation in the NHL that needs to crumble, and fast.
But at some point, the line has to be drawn. Yeah, everyone knew about it, (including MB even if he denies it), but who had the power to do something about it? It's easy to stand up 11 years later when attitudes about sexual abuse have improved, especially from a distance. Ask yourself, if in your job, you knew of something skanky, like embezzlement for example, what would you do? Report it to your boss, right? And if nothing happened? Maybe mention it to your boss's boss. And if still nothing happened, would you go to the press? Just look at the record of whistleblowers....it's not pretty. Most have lost their jobs. Yeah, it's the right thing to do, but if your job is in danger if you don't keep quiet and you've already reported it to the people who should know....
What's really funny is that there is only one guy who pointed the finger at Chevaldayoff as being present at that meeting (according to Bettmen so that's the caveat), and that was Chevy himself. None of the others remember him being there. Sheesh, if I was at a meeting and no one remembered I was there, I'd leave that company ASAP. Talk about no respect. So maybe Chevaldayoff had some duty to 'blow the whistle', but so did everyone else in the Hawks organization. Chevy was aware there was an investigation started, so I'm guessing he felt his part was over, if he ever had any part in it. In my opinion, the culpability and responsibility for the lack of action starts with the owner, then the president, the GM and the coach. The GM and coach have paid the price, but it's kind of galling for the Wirtz's to sit there and express such anger over the incident when they were there and should have done something about it. They're where the buck stops. Now perhaps they were lied to by the President, who simple thought to sweep it under the rug. But its that upper echelon who were at fault. You can't blame soldiers in a war for the war.
That's my closing argument for Chevy.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 3, 2021 15:16:53 GMT -5
For some fun stuff. Demko had the barn screaming loud with this sequence last night where he was playing without a stick and a blocker (hey refs, how do you miss this? He was waving his bare hand in the air for a bit to get their attention, especially the ref right behind the net). The great scorpion kick save.
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