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Post by CentreHice on Dec 18, 2021 23:10:14 GMT -5
Took a look at Maurice's coaching record at hockeydb.
Haven't got the gumption/expertise to do an in-depth analysis of his rosters/injuries/goaltending...but competing for the Cup-wise, here are the raw numbers.
24 seasons.
Missed playoffs: 12 (Hartford-2; Carolina-5; Toronto-2; Winnipeg-3)
Lost in Round 1: 5 (Carolina-2; Winnipeg-3)
Lost in Round 2: 1 (Winnipeg)
Lost in Round 3: 2 (Carolina-1; Winnipeg-1)
Lost in Finals: 1 (Carolina-20 years ago)
Fired mid-season: 2 (both in Carolina)
Resigned mid-season: 1 (Winnipeg)
Jack Adams Award: 0
17/24 seasons have to be classified as disappointments, no? (12 misses, 5 1st round exits)
Only 9/24 seasons in the playoffs.
Only 4/9 playoffs getting past Round 1.
Perhaps he usually gets the best out of his teams...but....
Thoughts?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 31, 2021 8:15:36 GMT -5
I wonder if the Senators will be able to sell enough tickets to max out at the new 1,000 spectator capacity limit in Ontario? đŸ˜‰ đŸ’¥
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 1, 2022 10:07:23 GMT -5
I wonder if the Senators will be able to sell enough tickets to max out at the new 1,000 spectator capacity limit in Ontario? đŸ˜‰ đŸ’¥ Lol |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 5, 2022 13:27:05 GMT -5
Whoa baby!
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 5, 2022 16:03:18 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Jan 6, 2022 6:59:54 GMT -5
Watching Makar play, it really makes me wonder how this guy went 4th overall behind guys like Hischier and Patrick. I wonder if scouts in NJ and Philly lost their jobs over these picks.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 6, 2022 14:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Jan 6, 2022 16:23:02 GMT -5
Ritchie has been a complete dud, 1 goal and points in 30 games.
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Post by folatre on Jan 6, 2022 16:30:36 GMT -5
Toronto is firing on all cylinders, but the Ritchie signing was not a shrewd move. Ritchie is slow, unengaged, and mediocre in all three zones. Basically, he is a fourth liner who does not even bother to play with energy. No one is going to pick up this player on that contract.
Regarding Patrick going second and Makar fourth, well yeah I would imagine there is some serious residual angst in Philadelphia.
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Post by folatre on Jan 6, 2022 20:41:13 GMT -5
Entertaining game tonight in Boston getting a bit spicy. A-hole Frederic just boarded Kaprizov (off to the room, looks like a shoulder issue) and the mood is tense. Too bad the Wild do not seem to dress any serious pugilists. But somebody like Marcus Foligno or Hartman could accidently plaster McAvoy or Pastrnak a couple seconds late on an otherwise innocent looking hockey play.
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Post by jkr on Jan 7, 2022 17:37:42 GMT -5
Toronto is firing on all cylinders, but the Ritchie signing was not a shrewd move. Ritchie is slow, unengaged, and mediocre in all three zones. Basically, he is a fourth liner who does not even bother to play with energy. No one is going to pick up this player on that contract. Regarding Patrick going second and Makar fourth, well yeah I would imagine there is some serious residual angst in Philadelphia. I think the Leafs thought that with Ritchie coming home ( he grew up an hour NW of Toronto) that they would have a very motivated guy on their hands. He's been anything but. That 2017 draft is a good lesson. All the talking heads were talking up Hischier and Patrick while the best players went 3-5. (Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson). Tanking and getting #1 is no guarantee of anything. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 7, 2022 17:45:01 GMT -5
Penguin spank Philly 6-2 for hheir 10th win in a row. Now 7th in conference, only 6 points out of first and Malkin expected back soon.
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Post by folatre on Jan 7, 2022 19:09:40 GMT -5
For sure, there is always risk in evaluating 18 year old kids, even when drafting in the top 10. Every draft has at least a couple total flops in the first dozen picks or so. And of course there are plenty of kids that never pan out in the mid to late first round.
The 2022 draft will be tricky. These are young kids who had their 2019-20 season seriously disrupted if not wiped out and things are still complicated with Covid now in their draft year. I am not sure what to make of the draft. I think the talent pool is better than 2021, but there do not appear to be any generational talents or even can't miss franchise players. So while almost being a lock for a top six pick is somewhat comforting, Gorton and management will need to be sharp in order to select a high end stud with the tools and the room for growth.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 8, 2022 0:37:51 GMT -5
Where do I start with Makar? He was a stud in the AJHL, where players are always discounted for not playing against better competition. Sure, in most cases that is totally valid. But, he was a stud then. Also, he is not the biggest guy. Can he defend against big brutes in the NHL? Ummm, so far so good. His transition skills make you think twice.
As for the AJHL, the Oilers got a big steal with Carter Savoie out of Sherwood Park. Totally smoked the scoring record, but was seen as slow and maybe not a full 200 foot guy. I watched him live a bit before first COVID lockdown. Habs had two scouts there. Just watch Denver these days and enjoy a pretty good pick. His younger brother is better đŸ˜‚ but that was well known ages ago.
Don’t sleep on Reiger Lorenz this year either.
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Post by Cranky on Jan 8, 2022 2:17:22 GMT -5
I'm not much of a tank fan because I don't think playing like garbage the entire season is anything to look forward to.
This season is the Habs worse in forever. Do we want 5 years of that for a chance thst we may...or may not have a contender in 8 years?
So we tanked this year and get Wright, did he look like a franchise player? Does Savoie look like a franchise player?
How does that sensatio Lafraniere look like gof the Rags?
We can dream...but there is also stark realities...
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Post by jkr on Jan 8, 2022 17:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jan 8, 2022 19:10:10 GMT -5
Kane and the NHLPA will fight it, for sure. And secretly more than a few clubs around the league may not want San Jose to wiggle out of that contract because it gives them newfound cap flexibility.
Kane is immensely talented but the guy has never had his head right. Not only did he deceive about being vaccinated, he has had problems with mates, coaches, ex-wives, etc. And Kane, according to good sources in the gambling industry, has literally incurred eight-figure losses.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 8, 2022 19:16:25 GMT -5
I'm not much of a tank fan because I don't think playing like garbage the entire season is anything to look forward to. I'm not sure what Jeff Gorton has in mind, but if it turns out to be a complete teardown and rebuilding process, I can see him doing what he did in New York ... a few years ago, the Rangers issued a statement detailing what the plan will be moving forward ... that's what I'm expecting, HA ... as for tanking, well, imagine being a seasons ticket holder who's in the first year of a 3-year ticket purchase, and then reading a statement that basically says the team will have a few 'lean' years ... I'd be pretty pissed off ... yet, even if I'm not a seasons ticket holder, and just want to see a game, I'm not expecting to pay premium prices just to watch a team 'develop'... I'll wait to see the finished product, if that's the case ... as for outright tanking, well, I was dead against it in the beginning, then I saw the team floundering around mid-season and thought, then, maybe the only thing the organization hasn't done, was an all-out tank ... still not convinced that a tank would work, though ... Gorton and his new GM, will be going into the draft with plenty of picks, and more to come ... this year is crucial to the organization ... they have to win this draft, and win it big ... tanking may not come into it at all, but that's just me ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 9, 2022 8:01:39 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jan 9, 2022 17:30:32 GMT -5
First goalie in NHL history to beat all 32 teams |
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Post by folatre on Jan 9, 2022 22:25:33 GMT -5
I'm not much of a tank fan because I don't think playing like garbage the entire season is anything to look forward to. I'm not sure what Jeff Gorton has in mind, but if it turns out to be a complete teardown and rebuilding process, I can see him doing what he did in New York ... a few years ago, the Rangers issued a statement detailing what the plan will be moving forward ... that's what I'm expecting, HA ... as for tanking, well, imagine being a seasons ticket holder who's in the first year of a 3-year ticket purchase, and then reading a statement that basically says the team will have a few 'lean' years ... I'd be pretty pissed off ... yet, even if I'm not a seasons ticket holder, and just want to see a game, I'm not expecting to pay premium prices just to watch a team 'develop'... I'll wait to see the finished product, if that's the case ... as for outright tanking, well, I was dead against it in the beginning, then I saw the team floundering around mid-season and thought, then, maybe the only thing the organization hasn't done, was an all-out tank ... still not convinced that a tank would work, though ... Gorton and his new GM, will be going into the draft with plenty of picks, and more to come ... this year is crucial to the organization ... they have to win this draft, and win it big ... tanking may not come into it at all, but that's just me ... Cheers. Good post, Dis. It is hard to say what precisely Gorton is planning. But if one goes by the Rangers’ experience, I would tend to believe that it will be a rebuild, though not the type of teardown teams like Buffalo, Arizona, and Ottawa have executed it where they stayed at the bottom of the league for years and years. Gorton’s letter to the fans in the spring of 2018 was a good move in my estimation, but in reality an extreme rebuild never really happened. The 2017-18 was already in the garbage can by Jan/Feb (New York finished 24th in the league). The fans were prepared for stinking in 2018-19 and the Rangers delivered poor hockey (78 points). But things started to turn around rather quickly. New York was 18th and 16th in the league the last couple of seasons (i.e. competitive, not bad let alone terrible) and this season they are a lock to make the playoffs. Of course, there is no denying that New York got some lottery luck in 2019 and 2020, luck with Adam Fox, and the high-end salesmanship, dollars, and destination allure that brought Panarin to the Big Apple. But still, it is important to acknowledge that solid drafting, smart trades, and selectively keeping high performing vets (Kreider and Zibanejad) has also made a huge difference. This is not to say that Gorton can make the downswing here both as mild and brief as it was in New York. For one thing, I believe Montreal’s looming cap situation is more dire and potentially intractable than the Rangers’ situation was, in part because of the ill-advised contracts Bergevin handed out and in part because in New York Gorton was able to get a jump on correcting their cap issues well before Covid hit so it was easier to finesse through some problems. And secondly, I am almost certain that Montreal is not getting the Rangers’ lottery luck where they got two top two picks while never even finishing bottom five in the league. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 10, 2022 5:10:52 GMT -5
Lucky Luc was a busy man. First he signed this Bergevin guy as a consultant to his GM and then he re-upped his GM Rob Blake.
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Post by jkr on Jan 10, 2022 21:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Jan 11, 2022 9:59:03 GMT -5
I'm all for it as well. If they throw enough money it might annoy the guys who wished they'd kept guys like Hyman. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 11, 2022 10:31:01 GMT -5
I cant believe anybody would give this bum an opportunity. How many 2nd chances has he had?
Considering him just reeks of desparation. I guess Dubas didnt learn from the last 2 duds he picked up to play the wing - Foligno and Ritchie.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 11, 2022 11:29:44 GMT -5
Really haven't been following hockey this year, minus my fantasy team and took a look at the standings. I can't believe the East is already set with regards who will make it this year. Boston is in 8th, 4 points up on Detroit with 4 games in hand. The only doubt is who will play who in the first round.
Out west, it is more tight and there are 5 teams that could catch Calgary or LA. Wake me up at the trade deadline as that is the only excitement that Montreal will have.
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Post by folatre on Jan 11, 2022 11:33:50 GMT -5
If I had to guess, I would say Kane ends up in Vegas (he played for DeBoer) or Tampa (just because).
Kane would inevitably be under more scrutiny in Canada, so something tells me he signs on for a stacked team in a warm climate where he can walk around and basically no one would recognize him.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 11, 2022 23:22:51 GMT -5
Kodak Black. Florida Panthers. Not posting it, but wow.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 11, 2022 23:24:34 GMT -5
If I had to guess, I would say Kane ends up in Vegas (he played for DeBoer) or Tampa (just because). Kane would inevitably be under more scrutiny in Canada, so something tells me he signs on for a stacked team in a warm climate where he can walk around and basically no one would recognize him. Oilers one of the top three apparently. A pure desperation move by Holland. Hey, can he stop pucks or play D? Maybe fix that crap show first Kenny. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 12, 2022 7:32:06 GMT -5
I'm really underwhelmed by Holland's work in Edmonton. His number 1 priority has been goaltending and his solution? An over the hill 40 year old and an overpaid stiff like Koskinen.
Now he wants to sign one of the most toxic players in recent memory? Don't talk about 2nd chances Holland. Kane has had way more than that and continues to not GAS for anyone but himself.
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