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Post by seventeen on Feb 18, 2022 0:11:13 GMT -5
Come on Hughes... Fleece the Leafs... Fleece the Leafs... Tell Dubas the Bruins want Chiarot... 👌 |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 18, 2022 18:09:47 GMT -5
Twitter chatter suggesting Habs are in conversations with the Blues, Vegas and NYR. Vegas is very light on high picks over the next two years (Eichel trade, etc.) and the Blues are light on prospects. Any deals there likely would have to be a bit more creative. Vegas would also have to shed cap space (now that they have Kucheroved Stone onto the LTIR), so either retention by the Habs (for more assets) or a dump back (again hopefully with a sweetener asset) would further complicate a deal there. They are definitely a team that won’t shy away from making moves to go for it though. Fun times. Hughes must be loving this. Imagine Vegas trading for Price. The numbers would be almost impossible to work out....but could Montreal take back say a Dandonov and Lehner plus a pick, and take a % of Price contract? If Price was healthy I could see them doing it. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 19, 2022 8:51:36 GMT -5
Twitter chatter suggesting Habs are in conversations with the Blues, Vegas and NYR. Vegas is very light on high picks over the next two years (Eichel trade, etc.) and the Blues are light on prospects. Any deals there likely would have to be a bit more creative. Vegas would also have to shed cap space (now that they have Kucheroved Stone onto the LTIR), so either retention by the Habs (for more assets) or a dump back (again hopefully with a sweetener asset) would further complicate a deal there. They are definitely a team that won’t shy away from making moves to go for it though. Fun times. Hughes must be loving this. Imagine Vegas trading for Price. The numbers would be almost impossible to work out....but could Montreal take back say a Dandonov and Lehner plus a pick, and take a % of Price contract? If Price was healthy I could see them doing it. One of the guys I used to work with out west, his father in law was one of the Lawyers for an NHL team. He was telling me during the last lock out, NHL owners had proposed a clause, that if an NHL player missed or didn't play a certain percentage of their forecasted games (ie. Price to play 60 games but only played 5). The team could buy out that players contract with zero penalty. Of course it didn't go anywhere, but can you imagine the impact that could have on a team. |
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Post by folatre on Feb 19, 2022 16:58:02 GMT -5
Price's case is so incredibly complicated (NMC, age, physical and mental health, massive AAV, serious term), it just seems as though nothing could happen until summer. I could see Western contenders (whether Vegas, Colorado, or Edmonton) who face plant in the post-season this spring initiating talks with Hughes.
And while not on the level of Price, I see the cases of Gallagher and Petry as sufficiently complicated to preclude finding a solution before summer.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 20, 2022 13:55:43 GMT -5
The Leafs just picked up Lyubushkin from the Yotes. According to some Arizona Tweeters, he's nothing special, but is a defensive type. No offense to speak of. Third pairing guy. He's averaged 15-16 minutes through his career, but that's gone up this year, to 18. That may be because the Yotes don't have much back there.
The bigger point to me is that it takes TO out of the Chiarot sweepstakes, if they were ever in it. One less bidder at the table, which isn't ideal.
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Post by folatre on Feb 20, 2022 22:18:50 GMT -5
Yeah, seventeen, I saw that too. I think Lyubushkin is a decent 3rd paid guy. I believe this indicates that Dubas is willing (or resigned) to stop gap that second pair spot next to Muzzin by committee (Holl or Dermott or a Swedish kid or this Russian) because a capable top-4 is not possible for cap and/or asset reasons.
I would be a little surprised if Chiarot does not end up with the Panthers, Rangers, or Blues. I know teams like Carolina, Washington, Boston, Edmonton, and Calgary are sniffing around too, though kind of on the cheap. But I think it will ultimately be Florida, New York, or St. Louis.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 21, 2022 0:21:37 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Petey Lekhonen and Chariotcan bring back 3 first rounders. I am thinking Chariot is a given but there are whispers that Leky could too. I think with Petey we would have to eat big salary but who knows...
I think though that Hughes wants some prospects back though in return.
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Post by frozone on Feb 21, 2022 8:56:27 GMT -5
The Leafs just picked up Lyubushkin from the Yotes. According to some Arizona Tweeters, he's nothing special, but is a defensive type. No offense to speak of. Third pairing guy. He's averaged 15-16 minutes through his career, but that's gone up this year, to 18. That may be because the Yotes don't have much back there. The bigger point to me is that it takes TO out of the Chiarot sweepstakes, if they were ever in it. One less bidder at the table, which isn't ideal. But isn't Lyubushkin a rightie? On the left side, they have Rielly and Muzzin before they have to choose between either Sandin or Dermott (Brodie plays right side despite being a leftie). Considering how we took Sandin to school a few times in the playoffs last year, and then exposed Dermott when he was called in, I think they are likely still interested in Chiarot. |
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Post by folatre on Feb 21, 2022 11:15:14 GMT -5
Toronto really likes Sandin, so I would be surprised if he sits. My hypothesis was in the event that the Leafs had acquired Chiarot he would have shifted over to the right side.
Probably some teams interested in Chiarot are also trying to see if something much bigger could materialize for Chychrun. But I imagine some GMs know how far they would go for Chychrun and thus I believe there are two or three already prepared to move on and give Hughes what he wants for Chiarot.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 21, 2022 13:58:04 GMT -5
One journo said that Chiarot played on the right side last game (!). A main reason for that would be if some prospective team asked for it, or told Hughes that they like Chiarot, but really need a RHD. Habs would then 'prove' that Chiarot can play RHD. He wasn't that good there early in his Habs career, but the journo said he looked just fine against the Isles. Can anyone confirm that?
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Post by jkr on Feb 22, 2022 8:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 22, 2022 10:54:33 GMT -5
It seems like a nothing move. If it is not the Leafs, this does not even get reported anywhere. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 22, 2022 11:56:52 GMT -5
They don't have much CAP room to manouevre, so they're going cheap gamble, like MB did with Montembeault. More recognizable name, perhaps, but earning the League Minimum $750,000. Mrazek is far too inconsistent as he showed last night. Couple of awesome saves mixed in with way too much movement and openings galore.
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Post by folatre on Feb 22, 2022 20:10:00 GMT -5
My brother-in-law (Leafs fan) said Toronto taking Hutton is really as much about providing sad sack Arizona with salary relief (Hutton makes NHL min even in the minors) as it is about the Leafs wanting more goalie depth at the AHL level.
Apparently, Hutton would be extremely unlikely to play for Toronto even in the event that Mrazek and Campbell were simultaneously injured. He is like fifth on the organizational depth chart. And another oddity (underscoring this was a wink nudge favor about money) is that Hutton is actually staying in the state of Arizona to continue playing for the Coyotes' AHL club.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2022 8:09:02 GMT -5
My brother-in-law (Leafs fan) said Toronto taking Hutton is really as much about providing sad sack Arizona with salary relief (Hutton makes NHL min even in the minors) as it is about the Leafs wanting more goalie depth at the AHL level. Apparently, Hutton would be extremely unlikely to play for Toronto even in the event that Mrazek and Campbell were simultaneously injured. He is like fifth on the organizational depth chart. And another oddity (underscoring this was a wink nudge favor about money) is that Hutton is actually staying in the state of Arizona to continue playing for the Coyotes' AHL club. The Leafs did this to help Arizona so after the leafs get bounced in the first round the yotes can take Matthews off their hands with no salary retention 😉 |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 25, 2022 11:04:16 GMT -5
Friedman first reported this on his latest 32 thoughts, so of course there is lots of subsequent twitter and Habs boards chatter about this. This likely would be a “hockey deal” if anything was to happen. PHI is having a bad year, so I don’t see any rush for them to get into big deals before the deadline other than perhaps unloading Giroux for assets.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2022 14:55:36 GMT -5
This seems a strange rumour. Does Philly still think they have a chance next year, so they'd be looking at Petry? Are they nuts? They might not need a full blow up and reconstruct, but there's a lot of old players on that team so they're not far off. And there's no one who is elite.
So who on Philly would fit the bill coming back, NWT? Besides a first rounder say. That would be a #5 overall pick right now, so very unlikely Philly would want to move that. I'd certainly take their first rounder in 2023.
Ronnie Attard's numbers have progressed nicely offensively (#72 in 2019). Otherwise, their drafting has been truly awful the last 3 years. If you need a reason for their poor outlook, there it is. They drafted Cam York just before Cole Caufield, Alex Newhook and Peyton Krebs. Triple Ouch.
If there's a deal with Philly, better to stick with picks. Morgan Frost maybe? Would we want him? Would they give him up?
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Post by folatre on Feb 25, 2022 14:55:50 GMT -5
Fletcher paid some nice assets to acquire Ristolainen, who will likely be traded at the deadline rather than extended. So it seems a little curious he would want Petry. Maybe the Flyers perceive that the contract (AAV and term) that Ristolainen expects on the open market is worse than Petry for three years at $6.25 per. Anyway, I agree with you NW that Petry is a trade that is much easier to execute in the summer.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 25, 2022 18:55:57 GMT -5
This seems a strange rumour. Does Philly still think they have a chance next year, so they'd be looking at Petry? Are they nuts? They might not need a full blow up and reconstruct, but there's a lot of old players on that team so they're not far off. And there's no one who is elite. So who on Philly would fit the bill coming back, NWT? Besides a first rounder say. That would be a #5 overall pick right now, so very unlikely Philly would want to move that. I'd certainly take their first rounder in 2023. Ronnie Attard's numbers have progressed nicely offensively (#72 in 2019). Otherwise, their drafting has been truly awful the last 3 years. If you need a reason for their poor outlook, there it is. They drafted Cam York just before Cole Caufield, Alex Newhook and Peyton Krebs. Triple Ouch. If there's a deal with Philly, better to stick with picks. Morgan Frost maybe? Would we want him? Would they give him up? Frost and York seem like the best of their prospect bunch to me, but even then neither have the wow factor you would expect in return for a veteran top 4 two way guy. I think I am with you, that picks would make more sense, but you know Hughes is trying to get young prospects back on some of these deals as that accelerates his plan to be competitive sooner than waiting for all these 2022 and 2023 draft kids to pan out. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2022 19:54:07 GMT -5
I think a Philly pick in 2023 would be top 5... none of their prospects are top 5, so either take the pick, with no top 10 protection, or trade Petry elsewhere, lots of teams will want him...
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Post by folatre on Feb 25, 2022 21:25:48 GMT -5
It does not hurt to ask, but Fletcher would have to be completely delusional to trade the Flyers' first rounder in 2022 or 2023. Philadelphia is really bad.
Honestly, Petry's improved play of late has surely stabilized his value in the sense that no one really believes he fell off the cliff. But if Hughes is going to move Petry without retaining, then the return is going to be modest (2nd rounder plus a decent prospect).
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2022 21:56:05 GMT -5
It does not hurt to ask, but Fletcher would have to be completely delusional to trade the Flyers' first rounder in 2022 or 2023. Philadelphia is really bad. Honestly, Petry's improved play of late has surely stabilized his value in the sense that no one really believes he fell off the cliff. But if Hughes is going to move Petry without retaining, then the return is going to be modest (2nd rounder plus a decent prospect). The amount that would need to be retained will depend on how badly they want Petry, cap space available and estimated cap space during the remaining years of Petry's contract Currently, the following playoff eligible teams projected cap space Columbus - 10M Nashville - 10M The Rags - 6M |
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 25, 2022 22:24:50 GMT -5
Honestly, with his improved play, I'm in no rush to trade Petry. I think his family life may stabilize in the offseason as Covid restraints ease. He has shown he's worth his contract in the past and if his play continues to improve, he would provide some much needed stability on the right side as the young guys come in. Is there someone better you can get as a free agent on the back end for that money? I have my doubts. I need to be blown away with the offer
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2022 22:36:59 GMT -5
The amazing thing is we have an over abundance of left shot D, almost all of our D shoot left, I think Brook is the only righty...
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Post by folatre on Feb 27, 2022 23:22:29 GMT -5
Time will say, but I think the uptick in Petry's play does not alter his core wish to move south of the border. However, if he continues playing well for the remaining 30 games, so much the better for Hughes because honestly the market will be more robust in the summer.
The 'deal or no deal' situation that seems to be holding up the market for other soon to be UFA d-men is Chychrun. I see teams like the Rangers, Florida, Boston, St. Louis, and Toronto grinding hard trying to see if they can pry him away Arizona, but the reality is that Arizona does not have any reason to cave in before the deadline (they can deal him in the summer). Once teams internally concede in their war room that Chychrun is not viable, the market for Chiarot will rapidly intensify.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 28, 2022 8:49:13 GMT -5
It does not hurt to ask, but Fletcher would have to be completely delusional to trade the Flyers' first rounder in 2022 or 2023. Philadelphia is really bad. Honestly, Petry's improved play of late has surely stabilized his value in the sense that no one really believes he fell off the cliff. But if Hughes is going to move Petry without retaining, then the return is going to be modest (2nd rounder plus a decent prospect). I'm fine will only a 2nd if they take all the salary. If anything we can use all these picks to bundle up for some trades in the future. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 6, 2022 19:34:06 GMT -5
My brother-in-law (Leafs fan) said Toronto taking Hutton is really as much about providing sad sack Arizona with salary relief (Hutton makes NHL min even in the minors) as it is about the Leafs wanting more goalie depth at the AHL level. Apparently, Hutton would be extremely unlikely to play for Toronto even in the event that Mrazek and Campbell were simultaneously injured. He is like fifth on the organizational depth chart. And another oddity (underscoring this was a wink nudge favor about money) is that Hutton is actually staying in the state of Arizona to continue playing for the Coyotes' AHL club. The Leafs did this to help Arizona so after the leafs get bounced in the first round the yotes can take Matthews off their hands with no salary retention 😉 Matthews would fill the seats for Arizona!!! All 5,000 of them! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 10, 2022 11:57:35 GMT -5
Another team rumoured to be in the Chiarot sweepstakes. With Risto resigning in Philly, there is one guy off the board for teams to pursue.
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Post by jkr on Mar 10, 2022 12:18:34 GMT -5
Nice find NWT. I found the summaries factual without the usual fanboy touch that makes some hockey sites unreadable.
Also, didn't know that the Habs were willing to retain so much to move Chiarot.
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Post by jkr on Mar 10, 2022 12:33:29 GMT -5
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