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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 17, 2022 10:23:57 GMT -5
I wonder if Montreal will make any more moves now that Chariot is gone. I think the only names being thrown about is:
Lekhonen
Dvorak
Allen
Kulak
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Post by seventeen on Mar 17, 2022 14:03:39 GMT -5
Man, some of the guys on TSN are not particularly astute. Just yesterday, that Leafs-homer Johnston said with such great certainty that the price for Manson sets the market for guys like Chiarot. I mean, come on, has this guy even watched Manson play hockey over the last three seasons? Chiarot has been a much better player over that time span and, sure enough, GMs around the league knew the price for Manson would not be the price for Chiarot. Manson was a finished product by his mid-20s and thus he was a cut above Chiarot at that stage of their careers. But Chiarot kept growing and progressing and Manson actually regressed. I always thought Manson was better than Chiarot, but I haven't seen Manson play for a while. He's clearly a stay at home, PK'r type of defenseman. He's been on a bad team the last few years, of course, but his +/- has hovered around the better marks on the team. He played for my home town team in juniour, though, so I may be biased  The return for both is fairly similar. It depends on how deep the 2023 draft is (it's really good at the top end but that doesn't always translate to maintaining a high quality through 1 or 2 rounds. Helleson is considered pretty good (I've never seen him play). Hughes did very well, though. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2022 6:41:41 GMT -5
Interesting that even though both Toffoli and Chiarot are gone, there were 16 NHL scouts at last night’s Habs-Stars game. Teams are still checking out Habs players even if Hughes was particularly coy in his presser yesterday mentioning that he is not doing a fire sale and not actively trying to trade players. He also has said a few times if the right deal comes along and he can improve the team, so you know he has lots of irons in the fire. He is also working on getting some cap relief for next season, but would not share his strategies (of course) with the media.
I don’t think he is done dealing before the TDL. Sure, there are some moves that will wait until the summer and beyond, but teams are going to typically get quite desperate as Monday 3:00pm approaches, so an offer he cannot refuse is not out of the unexpected.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2022 6:47:54 GMT -5
I wonder if Montreal will make any more moves now that Chariot is gone. I think the only names being thrown about is: Lekhonen Dvorak Allen Kulak They have also been linked to McBain, Zacha and trying to move Weber’s contract. Who knows if any of those rumours have any legs. I find that often one reporter mentions a name associated with the Habs (the perfect click bait given the huge team following) and other reporters/tweeters just repeat that keeping it alive and well for a while. The rumour may actually have gone cold, but others keep it alive. Or, when there is smoke there is fire. Oh, and of course the “they will move Petry if they get the right deal for the team and for the player, given his family situation” (pretty well verbatim from Hughes yesterday). That seems way more likely in the summer due to the cap hit, term, and fact that the Habs would likely have to take some salary back for some period. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2022 8:42:02 GMT -5
Lehky’s name definitely still out there. He seems to fit the style of play that Hughes and Marty want the team to play. But, he deserves a raise and Berg has riddled the team with several other bottom six guys with contracts that eat more cap space and term than what those players bring. But if Lehky can get a haul, does Hughes make it happen? The Lehky dilemma for sure.
One definite area of weakness in depth is still the RHD position. If you could get a young top prospect on the cusp of breaking into the league, that would be one scenario worth considering as part of a potential deal here. Especially if they plan on moving Petry in the off-season. Some of the young LHD prospects coming up can play on the right side as well, but your true right handed depth is pretty well Brook (injury prone and stalling), Mailloux (I like his upside but still very young and raw), and Kostenko (young and raw and in Russia!).
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2022 9:20:16 GMT -5
Giroux and Lindholm both sitting out, so the big dogs of the trade deadline are definitely in play.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 18, 2022 13:51:24 GMT -5
Let's trade Petry.
I always wanted to see what the worse defence in Habs history looks like....
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Post by seventeen on Mar 18, 2022 14:09:10 GMT -5
I wonder if Montreal will make any more moves now that Chariot is gone. I think the only names being thrown about is: Lekhonen Dvorak Allen Kulak They have also been linked to McBain, Zacha and trying to move Weber’s contract. Who knows if any of those rumours have any legs. I find that often one reporter mentions a name associated with the Habs (the perfect click bait given the huge team following) and other reporters/tweeters just repeat that keeping it alive and well for a while. The rumour may actually have gone cold, but others keep it alive. Or, when there is smoke there is fire. Oh, and of course the “they will move Petry if they get the right deal for the team and for the player, given his family situation” (pretty well verbatim from Hughes yesterday). That seems way more likely in the summer due to the cap hit, term, and fact that the Habs would likely have to take some salary back for some period. I could not understand the rumoured Habs interest in McBain. I'm softening that stance lately because I finally realized he played for Canada at the recent Olympics and showed well. He's a big boy at 6'4", 208 lbs so he's NHL ready and if he couldn't skate he wouldn't have been invited to the Olympic team, given the larger ice surface. His improvement this past year (24 games, went from 19 points to 33 points; which includes 19 goals) has been directly related to better skating. So, it seems the talent is there, leaving the big question the fact he may wait until August and become a UFA. The only reason I can see for giving up anything for him now is if there is already an agreement in place for a contract once Habs have the ability to sign him. If that's the case, a 3rd round pick does it for me. That's almost a 2nd round pick for Minny. Or throw in one of those later picks too...a 5,6,7 rounder. We have lots of those. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2022 14:10:09 GMT -5
Wow, that’s a hefty price. Even though Hughes is not actively shopping Lehky, the price to pry him loose just went up.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 18, 2022 14:10:36 GMT -5
Let's trade Petry. I always wanted to see what the worse defence in Habs history looks like.... For just 20 odd games? I can stomach it. If we can get some quality picks or prospects for Petry, sign me up. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 18, 2022 14:12:57 GMT -5
Lehky’s name definitely still out there. He seems to fit the style of play that Hughes and Marty want the team to play. But, he deserves a raise and Berg has riddled the team with several other bottom six guys with contracts that eat more cap space and term than what those players bring. But if Lehky can get a haul, does Hughes make it happen? The Lehky dilemma for sure. One definite area of weakness in depth is still the RHD position. If you could get a young top prospect on the cusp of breaking into the league, that would be one scenario worth considering as part of a potential deal here. Especially if they plan on moving Petry in the off-season. Some of the young LHD prospects coming up can play on the right side as well, but your true right handed depth is pretty well Brook (injury prone and stalling), Mailloux (I like his upside but still very young and raw), and Kostenko (young and raw and in Russia!). I would hate to lose Lehkonen. I'm sure HuGo feel exactly the same, so the price is going to be steep. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2022 14:15:36 GMT -5
seventeen I am with you on both concerns about McBain. His skating has always been a concern. That flies with Horton’s vision. Also, the fact he is refusing to sign with the team that drafted him does leave some questions about loyalty. Will he just walk on a team that signs him once he gets to UFA status? His offence was underwhelming for his first three years of college, but finally took off this year. Better skating? You hope so. I saw him a few times against Tuch and Harris/Struble, but honestypaid him very little attention as he was some other team’s property. I tended to not watch Canada’s Olympic team. Call it the Julien effect. They were boring. I used my Olympic hockey capital in the Women’s team and watching Farrell and Slafkovsky. Way more fun!
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Post by seventeen on Mar 18, 2022 14:21:27 GMT -5
Wow, that’s a hefty price. Even though Hughes is not actively shopping Lehky, the price to pry him loose just went up. Ouch. Davidson played that well. The stars on Tampa are aging. Point, Kucherov, Cirelli and Sergachev will be the only players in their prime next year and the one after that. Lots of guys are in that age group where the cliff beckons. Those late first round picks may not be as late as we think today. Hagel is scoring better than Lehkonen (.67 to .49 ppg), but I haven't seen who he is playing with and I also don't know what his defensive abilities are. Lehkonen's are elite, of course. Hagel is 3 years younger so that matters. A first and a second for Lehky isn't out of the question, or something similar in currently drafted players. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 18, 2022 14:21:49 GMT -5
I'm old so i checked Petry's contract. Wow, its more then 20 games.
And of course, i love all those "quality" picks whose future depends on my hopes and fantasies...
I'm still hoping and fantasizing Juulsen and Tinordy will turn into superstars....
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Post by seventeen on Mar 18, 2022 15:21:49 GMT -5
I'm old so i checked Petry's contract. Wow, its more then 20 games. And of course, i love all those "quality" picks whose future depends on my hopes and fantasies... I'm still hoping and fantasizing Juulsen and Tinordy will turn into superstars.... I hope you have more life left in you than the remaining term of Petry's contract. Players at his age tend to depreciate quickly (unlike those old buildings like us). There are 3 years left in Petry's contract after this season ends. You might get Petry Petry next year, but I'm guessing the next year you get Kulak Petry and the year after that you get Oullet Petry. Regardless....the team isn't going to be what we want the habs to be for another 3 years yet, so at best you get some lesser version of Petry, but have foregone the opportunity to pick up a 20 year old McDonagh (12th overall pick) or 19 year old Subban (43rd overall pick). Yes, you might waste a pick on a McCarron (Bergie's choice because of size) or a Tinordi or such, but the more high picks you have the better chance of ending up with another Petry who is going to play well for the next 10 years, not the next 2 or (pray) 3. Probabilities, young man. No guarantees, but you aim for more upside than downside. Keeping Petry is a guaranteed downside in 3 years. I'd rather take the chance today. Hell, I could really annoy you and demand that Anderson be traded  . |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 18, 2022 16:13:35 GMT -5
Hell, I could really annoy you and demand that Anderson be traded . I wouldn't be annoyed because i have to take something seriously to be annoyed. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2022 16:29:25 GMT -5
Not so fun fact about Brandon Hagel. Habs invited him as a try out to their 2018 development and rookie camp, but did not sign him as a free agent at the time. He had an amazing final overager season with Red Deer the following year and scored 102 points. Chicago signed him as a free agent after his WHL season ended. The Habs were not the only club to let him slip away. Buffalo drafted him in 2016, but did not sign him and his rights expired in 2018. That was when the Habs invited him to camp.
Edit: I went back and checked the camp thread to refresh my memory. I had flagged two invites, Teasdale and Hagel, as “interesting”. I guess we all missed his breakout by one season. Of course, Teasdale got the free agent deal.
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Post by folatre on Mar 18, 2022 18:14:36 GMT -5
I have been on the 'keep Lehkonen' train all season and basically, unless someone offers up a first round pick, that is how I still see it. He can always be traded in the summer if the contract looks unviable.
Petry's contract (and Montreal's logical unwillingness to retain) makes a move in the summer far more realistic.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 18, 2022 20:57:39 GMT -5
My preference is definitely to keep Lehkonen, period. Look at what Tampa paid to get a guy very much like Lehkonen (better scorer and younger, but arguably not as good defensively). But if NY offered Lafreniere for Lehkonen, Byron and Calgary's first round pick, I'd think about it.
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Post by PTH on Mar 18, 2022 21:10:58 GMT -5
I have been on the 'keep Lehkonen' train all season and basically, unless someone offers up a first round pick, that is how I still see it. He can always be traded in the summer if the contract looks unviable. Petry's contract (and Montreal's logical unwillingness to retain) makes a move in the summer far more realistic. I was the same for Lehkonen for the longest time, but given the boatload of assets Hagel just fetched, I think the Habs have to listen to offers. Lehkonen on a 5 year 4M deal or 2 firsts and a prospect? I guess it depends if Hughes thinks he can free up some winger roster spots. It has to be said that the ease with which Dauphin and Pitlick just stepped into the 3d line type of role makes me consider that we need to maximize our odds of getting a star, and you mostly get those by drafting them. I'm really hoping we can cash into the trade deadline frenzy with one non-rental - Byron, Petry, Dvorak, Gallagher or Hoffman... just to keep on clearing long-term cap room. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 19, 2022 12:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Mar 19, 2022 17:07:27 GMT -5
Wow, that’s a hefty price. Even though Hughes is not actively shopping Lehky, the price to pry him loose just went up. And just imagine in 2018, we had Brandon Hagel for free and Bergevin wouldn’t offer him a contract . |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 19, 2022 17:07:57 GMT -5
Lindholm to Boston done. Sounds like Giroux to FLA too.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 19, 2022 17:11:30 GMT -5
Not so fun fact about Brandon Hagel. Habs invited him as a try out to their 2018 development and rookie camp, but did not sign him as a free agent at the time. He had an amazing final overager season with Red Deer the following year and scored 102 points. Chicago signed him as a free agent after his WHL season ended. The Habs were not the only club to let him slip away. Buffalo drafted him in 2016, but did not sign him and his rights expired in 2018. That was when the Habs invited him to camp. Edit: I went back and checked the camp thread to refresh my memory. I had flagged two invites, Teasdale and Hagel, as “interesting”. I guess we all missed his breakout by one season. Of course, Teasdale got the free agent deal. I should read the whole thread before commenting  |
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Post by jkr on Mar 19, 2022 17:12:21 GMT -5
So much for the buyer's market for D men. Folatre - you can give your brother in law that I told you so now. Leaf fans must be wondering what Dubas is waiting for. Apparently he doesn't want to give up a first rounder but the league is moving on without him. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 19, 2022 17:14:36 GMT -5
That's a big haul for Lindholm particularly if they don't sign him.
The east will be a bloodbath and Tampa likely to be the survivor...but badly beaten up.
Don't care. Won't watch.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 19, 2022 17:18:21 GMT -5
So much for the buyer's market for D men. Folatre - you can give your brother in law that I told you so now. Leaf fans must be wondering what Dubas is waiting for. Apparently he doesn't want to give up a first rounder but the league is moving on without him. Yuppers, Dubas is going to be left fighting for scraps. At least they have their goaltending mess sorted out 😂 |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 19, 2022 17:26:32 GMT -5
So much for the buyer's market for D men. Folatre - you can give your brother in law that I told you so now. Leaf fans must be wondering what Dubas is waiting for. Apparently he doesn't want to give up a first rounder but the league is moving on without him. Yuppers, Dubas is going to be left fighting for scraps. At least they have their goaltending mess sorted out 😂 Dubas is gone if there is another 1st round loss. I can recommend, free of charge, that they hire Bbinz... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 19, 2022 17:57:09 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Mar 19, 2022 18:17:35 GMT -5
Lindholm to Boston done. Sounds like Giroux to FLA too. Crap. I was hoping Bruins would get no one. Still sticking pins in my Bergeron doll. |
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