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Post by Skilly on Mar 19, 2022 18:17:56 GMT -5
So much for the buyer's market for D men. Folatre - you can give your brother in law that I told you so now.  Leaf fans must be wondering what Dubas is waiting for. Apparently he doesn't want to give up a first rounder but the league is moving on without him. Yuppers, Dubas is going to be left fighting for scraps. At least they have their goaltending mess sorted out 😂 If I'm Dubas, I'm calling Montreal and trying to trade for Carey Price. Offer them a pile of draft picks and prospects. Toronto can keep him on IR, and come playoff time add a 10 million player ala Kucherov. If Toronto wins, I'd bet the farm Price retires. If Toronto loses, Price likely also retires , cause if he can't win with that team, he never will, and his psyche likely can't handle that. Now if Toronto and / or Montreal wants this to be a hockey trade beyond this year then Nylander, McDermott and Campbell gets it done moneywise. |
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 19, 2022 18:23:53 GMT -5
Lindholm to Boston done. Sounds like Giroux to FLA too. Crap. I was hoping Bruins would get no one. Still sticking pins in my Bergeron doll. It's all good,they got absolutely fleeced |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 19, 2022 18:43:58 GMT -5
Panthers get Giroux. Owen Tippett (meh) and picks going back. Need to see the picks to judge. Fletcher’s not the sharpest stick so I don’t expect much.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 19, 2022 18:56:10 GMT -5
Panthers get Giroux. Owen Tippett (meh) and picks going back. Need to see the picks to judge. Fletcher’s not the sharpest stick so I don’t expect much. I posted the haul on the last page. Florida is going all in. They have no firsts for three years now and other picks and prospects have taken a hit, but they are playing for now. I like what Zito has done. Not waffling, paying some seriously huge prices for Chiarot (thanks) and Giroux. They draft well, so they have the capital to go a bit nuts when they think they are close. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 19, 2022 19:21:25 GMT -5
Yuppers, Dubas is going to be left fighting for scraps. At least they have their goaltending mess sorted out 😂 If I'm Dubas, I'm calling Montreal and trying to trade for Carey Price. Offer them a pile of draft picks and prospects. Toronto can keep him on IR, and come playoff time add a 10 million player ala Kucherov. If Toronto wins, I'd bet the farm Price retires. If Toronto loses, Price likely also retires , cause if he can't win with that team, he never will, and his psyche likely can't handle that. Now if Toronto and / or Montreal wants this to be a hockey trade beyond this year then Nylander, McDermott and Campbell gets it done moneywise. Doesn't he have a full no movement clause? He probably says no to any move. He hasn't played since July 2021 and probably wouldn't be ready after about 10 months of no action. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 19, 2022 19:33:38 GMT -5
I like to see us active in maybe picking up leftovers for cheap. We have a lot of later firsts and I don't have a problem sending one over for someone like Laffy. Or Zacha for a second.
Team like Arizona is committed to hit the bottom or below, great, how about Chycrun for late 2 firsts. Cruse?
I don't put much faith in very late 1sts because at that range, your in the "is he a 1st or is he a 2nd"? I rather have young proven player from a crappy team and build with them. Arizona is hell bent on building forever and that's fine with me. Heck, I'd make a deal in there to send Weber so they can save 7 million a year and reach the cap floor.
NEVER let feeling get in the way of a great theft.....
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Post by folatre on Mar 19, 2022 20:35:47 GMT -5
The arms race in the Eastern Conference got rather intense today. One would have to imagine Toronto, Carolina, and the Rangers are going to fire up soon. Washington and Pittsburgh seem less likely do anything significant.
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Post by jkr on Mar 19, 2022 20:38:52 GMT -5
I was listening to Friedman between periods. He was saying that Giordano is Toronto's target but there are other suitors. He said their fallback was Justin Braun, someone Jeff Marek described as a 35 year bottom pairing guy. Doesnt sound inspiring for Leaf fans.
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Post by folatre on Mar 19, 2022 23:19:57 GMT -5
Giordano can still play, but the legs seem somewhat spent compared to his early and mid-30s. However, if I were a Leafs fan, I would say burn the bridges and give up the first rounder because between overspending on a a good dude with pedigree and settling for acquiring slop like Braun or DeHaan.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 20, 2022 1:19:27 GMT -5
I'll take the Laffs first for Kulak.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 11:10:09 GMT -5
Who knows how active any of these discussions are or whether a lot of calls are just exploratory, but there is no doubt that Hughes will be getting calls right up to near the deadline tomorrow. While he says he isn’t actively marketing any player, if he gets the right deal for any of those players listed, I expect he will pull the trigger. I don’t see Hughes likely able to do too much to ease up some future cap space until the summer, but that has to be a big part of future moves he will be looking to make a transformation from the disastrous cap/salary situation he inherited.
I really think Lehky gets moved. I really like the player. He is versatile and good for the team, but he is an arbitration eligible RFA and he is going to get a hefty raise. It then becomes less about Lehky the player and his value to the team, and more about how Hughes can fit another big bottom six contract on his team with so many other contracts that he will need to try and get out from under them.
Kulak is another one. He is a UFA, but on a cheap deal. Is signing him for a shorter extension and keeping some NHL defense continuity on the team next year worth more than a third or worse draft pick? Given they have lost Chiarot and will likely lose Petry before next season, they need some defenders to bridge the gap until the young prospects are able to take on a full time role. Again though, if a team offers a second, that may get the deal done.
And if Hughes can move one of those “iffy contracts” by tomorrow, then they might as well name a street after him now 😆.
Hughes has shown he is patient and willing to wait out teams to meet his price. I see absolutely nothing changing with his strategy over the next day plus.
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Post by Andrew on Mar 20, 2022 12:56:25 GMT -5
I really think Lehky gets moved. I really like the player. He is versatile and good for the team, but he is an arbitration eligible RFA and he is going to get a hefty raise. It then becomes less about Lehky the player and his value to the team, and more about how Hughes can fit another big bottom six contract on his team with so many other contracts that he will need to try and get out from under them. I think you’re right. He’d be a great player to hang onto, but his value will never be higher, and teams are no doubt feeling the pressure to keep up. If we can get overpayment from a desperate club then do it. In a perfect world we get a first and a prospect that’s 2 years away from being our next Lehkonen. Ok I lie. In a perfect world we assemble some package, as seventeen suggested, that lands us Byram. Long shot, but we can dream! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 14:01:36 GMT -5
Some chatter about Giordano to Toronto. It would make sense.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 14:23:58 GMT -5
Okay then.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 15:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Mar 20, 2022 15:25:03 GMT -5
A few D just went for 6th and 7th rounders, makes me think these are the last-second additions for teams not intending to do anything more... which might well mean Kulak and Wideman aren't getting moved. And to me that was a near-certainty, so I'm surprised.
Then again maybe those deals are ready to go just haven't gone public yet.
Tomorrow's all-day trade shows are going to be long and boring. Even more since I've never seen them intelligently break down past trades patiently, which could be fascinating...
(ie, team A needed a left-handed shot for the 2nd pp ever since xy broke his wrist 2019, and this one fits, but it meant X, etc.)
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 20, 2022 15:33:47 GMT -5
My buddy, who is a Hens fan, was complaining they're playing vets more than the kids... this will just piss him off.. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 20, 2022 15:34:15 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 15:47:34 GMT -5
So for the Canucks, it is Hamonic out and Dermott in, with a third each way being a wash. That seems like a decent pair of moves for them.
For the Leafs, they needed some cap space to add Giordano.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 16:20:54 GMT -5
The details in the Giordano deal. Leafs had to wait until 5:00pm ET to finalize for salary cap reasons. Gio is 38, so definitely lost a step or two.
Seattle is going to have no roster left. They are all in on the tank this season.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 20, 2022 16:26:19 GMT -5
Giordano at this point is ancient and hardly the impact player the Laffs want him top be. I don't know if he is any better then Kulak.
I will enjoy ANOTHER first round exit sooooo much.....
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Post by Cranky on Mar 20, 2022 16:27:17 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Mar 20, 2022 16:31:04 GMT -5
Hughes has shown he is patient and willing to wait out teams to meet his price. I see absolutely nothing changing with his strategy over the next day plus. True. I compare Hughes to Fletcher (while understanding because of his many iffy deals that he's under the gun) and how Giroux was handled. Giroux had the upper hand, right? He would only waive his NMC if it was to Florida. Fine. Bill, here's what I want and it has to include Samoskevich. If Mackie isn't in the package, I'm keeping Claude. He can test the waters in July. There. The first rounder is fine, but it won't be early. Florida has too many guys in their prime to fall apart in just 2 years. Tippett is a failed pick, a scorer who isn't putting up points and unless he decides to become Carbonneau 2.0 (as a winger), it's not a good pickup. Looks good, though, hey? A former first rounder. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 20, 2022 16:56:36 GMT -5
The details in the Giordano deal. Leafs had to wait until 5:00pm ET to finalize for salary cap reasons. Gio is 38, so definitely lost a step or two. Seattle is going to have no roster left. They are all in on the tank this season. Who is this Klak guy. "Wonderful work by Dubas". Leafs PR guy? |
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Post by folatre on Mar 20, 2022 16:57:57 GMT -5
I think Fletcher is doing terrible in Philadelphia, but the Giroux situation was complicated by the need (or at least the optics) of doing right by the captain. I never thought much of Tippett. I think he is kind of one-dimensional like Kaliyev and Wahlstrom, though unfortunately for the Flyers I do not see Tippett's shot release and heaviness being on par with those guys.
Considering the Kraken are retaining a lot of money, two seconds and a third rounder sounds about right for Giordano. Giordano is certainly slowing down but he is still dependable. But playing him 20-22 minutes in a lot of high leverage situations is probably asking too much of a 38 year old.
If Kulak does not move, then I believe it is because Hughes wants to get an extension done before UFA season. If Wideman does not move, it could be management wants to re-sign him for another season or it could be there is simply no market for small third-pair guys because playoff hockey is heavy and almost exclusively 5v5.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 18:51:12 GMT -5
Sens busy again. They retain 44.5% of Paul’s salary in the trade. I guess they could not get an extension done.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 20, 2022 20:05:00 GMT -5
There goes McBain if Arizona can sign him to a deal. Coyotes had five 2022 second rounders with which to play. The Habs only had one, and it should be a top 35 pick give or take. A higher price for the Habs.
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Post by folatre on Mar 20, 2022 21:59:50 GMT -5
Arizona is a two decade running dumpster fire, continuing to tear it down to the ground (or below). So in some sense I cannot blame a kid like McBain for imagining that going there is probably an early ticket to get a lot of ice time regardless of whether he actually stacks up favorably against real NHL middle-six centres.
Arizona cannot be so obtuse that they have literally no idea if he is willing to sign? Or are they?
Ottawa made their roster worse in the short-term because Paul, re-signed, would clearly outplay Joseph over the next couple of seasons. And it is not as though Ottawa is facing an immediate cap crunch. So what is the innocent bystander's interpretation of all this: Melnyk said frick no, we are not paying a really good third liner decent coin (3x3). Okay, it must be a joy cheering for the Sens.
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Post by franko on Mar 20, 2022 22:34:23 GMT -5
Ottawa made their roster worse in the short-term because Paul, re-signed, would clearly outplay Joseph over the next couple of seasons. And it is not as though Ottawa is facing an immediate cap crunch. So what is the innocent bystander's interpretation of all this: Melnyk said frick no, we are not paying a really good third liner decent coin (3x3). Okay, it must be a joy cheering for the Sens. 1. Melnyk is cheap. 2. Melnyk is cheap. There has been talk for a while that Paul would be gone, that the (Baby) Sens had players equal to Paul that would be . . . ya . . . cheaper. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 20, 2022 23:39:48 GMT -5
For sure, Franko, that is the reality for Sens fans. My question would be who precisely is taking Paul's place among the unproven kids and AHL lifers in Belleville?
Lucchini? Wasn't he with Habs last season? Is he not 27-28 years old?
Sokolov is playing well and is certainly a nice prospect. But is he the kind of three-zone, energy guy that Paul is? He seems like a boom or bust type projecting to the NHL.
Jarventie is another case, and I will admit that I really wanted the Habs to draft him (he went far earlier than most projections for the second round where Montreal ultimately got Tuch and Mysak. I think Jarventie is really talented winger, but he not the type of player that Paul is and in reality Jarventie is probably either going to integrate into Ottawa's top six within two years or likely wash out altogether because he is not a bottom six type player.
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