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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 11, 2023 15:40:42 GMT -5
Wow, just wow. Another guy breaking down too often and too seriously. Wow... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 17, 2023 10:22:31 GMT -5
Lots more forwards to the infirmary: Armia (that dirty elbow to the ribs by Trouba), Slafkovsky and Evans (the way he fell looks pretty bad).
Monahan put on LTIR retroactively for cap/roster management purposes.
RHP and Pitlick called up from Laval on an emergency basis.
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Post by folatre on Jan 17, 2023 10:38:37 GMT -5
Trouba is dirty, nothing new there. And Nelson hurt Evans on a greasy play. What happened to Slafkovsky?
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 17, 2023 10:42:04 GMT -5
Trouba is dirty, nothing new there. And Nelson hurt Evans on a greasy play. What happened to Slafkovsky? No report on Slafs but looked to me like a left leg injury - I'm thinking knee. Hopefully a tweak which wouldn't be so bad as I think he could use with the break, mentally and physically. Been quite the year for the kid. Some time to reflect and catch his breath would help. And maybe, just maybe, they will have to send him to Laval for some "conditioning". Last few weeks he's been skating around without much purpose. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 17, 2023 10:50:07 GMT -5
This is how we tank it
It's hockey night and I feel all right
Draft party is here on the West side
They have reached 40 points and we turn it up
Hangnail to the IR before you f*** it up
Drive the south shore I'm jaded
Posters on the site say, Monty, yo we made it
It feels so good, the future is bright
Cole and Suzzy are the guys you pay to see
All the Hab haters forget about the drive-by
You gotta get Connor here before you go get paid
So it’s for the Cup and throw your hands up
And let me hear the party say
This is how we tank it!!
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 17, 2023 10:51:33 GMT -5
This is how we tank it It's hockey night and I feel all right Draft party is here on the West side They have reached 40 points and we turn it up Hangnail to the IR before you f*** it up Drive the south shore I'm jaded Posters on the site say, Monty, yo we made it It feels so good, the future is bright Cole and Suzzy are the guys you pay to see All the Hab haters forget about the drive-by You gotta get Connor here before you go get paid So it’s for the Cup and throw your hands up And let me hear the party say This is how we tank it!! Did you make that up? You should work for the Habs PR department? |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 17, 2023 10:57:19 GMT -5
This is how we tank it It's hockey night and I feel all right Draft party is here on the West side They have reached 40 points and we turn it up Hangnail to the IR before you f*** it up Drive the south shore I'm jaded Posters on the site say, Monty, yo we made it It feels so good, the future is bright Cole and Suzzy are the guys you pay to see All the Hab haters forget about the drive-by You gotta get Connor here before you go get paid So it’s for the Cup and throw your hands up And let me hear the party say This is how we tank it!! Did you make that up? You should work for the Habs PR department? I made up the lyrics based on the song “This is how we do it” |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 17, 2023 12:04:01 GMT -5
Did you make that up? You should work for the Habs PR department? I made up the lyrics based on the song “This is how we do it” Lol... Well done |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 17, 2023 13:02:08 GMT -5
That was a risk in signing Gallagher to the extension. That we'd gotten the best years out of him and there was real risk that he would break down and not live up to the contract. He's now in year 2 of the 6 year deal at $6.5mn and he's scored 11 goals in 81 games (56 games last year, 25 this year).
It's a tough situation. When re-signing your own players, you basically need to do the extension a year before the player hits UFA since you don't want to go all the way to UFA. But then the team is taking more risk -Gallagher had been a mostly durable player prior to the extension he signed in Oct 2020... and then he wasn't. He broke down the year he signed the extension and this is now 3 straight seasons with significant time missed and his scoring has nosedived.
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Post by jkr on Jan 17, 2023 13:14:41 GMT -5
Lots more forwards to the infirmary: Armia (that dirty elbow to the ribs by Trouba), Slafkovsky and Evans (the way he fell looks pretty bad). Monahan put on LTIR retroactively for cap/roster management purposes. RHP and Pitlick called up from Laval on an emergency basis. When is somebody or the league going to do something about Trouba. We saw the Crosby hit during the playoffs . About a season ago I saw him hit Jujhar Kheira with a borderline collision & knock him out cold. No penalty, no suspension. If the league doesn't come down on him, a player will & it will be ugly. |
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Post by PTH on Jan 17, 2023 13:18:13 GMT -5
That was a risk in signing Gallagher to the extension. That we'd gotten the best years out of him and there was real risk that he would break down and not live up to the contract. He's now in year 2 of the 6 year deal at $6.5mn and he's scored 11 goals in 81 games (56 games last year, 25 this year). It's a tough situation. When re-signing your own players, you basically need to do the extension a year before the player hits UFA since you don't want to go all the way to UFA. But then the team is taking more risk -Gallagher had been a mostly durable player prior to the extension he signed in Oct 2020... and then he wasn't. He broke down the year he signed the extension and this is now 3 straight seasons with significant time missed and his scoring has nosedived. He's also lost quite a step... he sometimes reminds me of post-cancer Koivu, unable to keep a high pace for any shift that's over 25 seconds. Which means he can't be an effective 3d line forechecker type, where the numbers aren't as important as wearing down opposing D. (ie, what Armia can do well when it pleases him) The comparable contract was supposed to be Kreider... and clearly they are no longer comparable. Anyone else sometimes wonder where we'd be if the hockeysfuture-suggested transaction of Gallagher for Nugent-Hopkins had been made a few years ago ? (say in 2018 when we were horribly thin at C)... |
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Post by jkr on Jan 17, 2023 13:43:28 GMT -5
I never heard that PTH. Was that a real rumor or something in the trade thread?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 17, 2023 13:57:45 GMT -5
The comparable contract was supposed to be Kreider... and clearly they are no longer comparable. Ouch. Kreider signs basically the same deal 7 years, $6.5mn AAV and has outscored Gallagher 91-25 over 3 years. Kreider's actually a year older than Gallagher too, but he's also listed at 6-3, 226 lbs vs 5-9, 186 lbs for Gallagher. To be fair, there wasn't much to suggest that Kreider would blossom into a 40-50 goal guy in his 8th year in the NHL, but Gallagher has always played that reckless, net front style that is prone to injury risk. With Price seemingly on permanent LTIR, that leaves the Gallagher and Anderson contracts as the immovable objects on the roster. |
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Post by PTH on Jan 17, 2023 14:02:21 GMT -5
I never heard that PTH. Was that a real rumor or something in the trade thread? Just in the trade forums, but it was something both fanbases thought made sense. EDM with McDavid and Draisatl and little else could have used spunk and scoring on the wing, and the Habs could've used a strong 2-way center. But if we're going to wonder about what could've happened.... Draisatl + other assets for Subban at the 2016 draft still comes to mind. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 17, 2023 18:47:00 GMT -5
That was a risk in signing Gallagher to the extension. That we'd gotten the best years out of him and there was real risk that he would break down and not live up to the contract. He's now in year 2 of the 6 year deal at $6.5mn and he's scored 11 goals in 81 games (56 games last year, 25 this year). It's a tough situation. When re-signing your own players, you basically need to do the extension a year before the player hits UFA since you don't want to go all the way to UFA. But then the team is taking more risk -Gallagher had been a mostly durable player prior to the extension he signed in Oct 2020... and then he wasn't. He broke down the year he signed the extension and this is now 3 straight seasons with significant time missed and his scoring has nosedived. He's also lost quite a step... he sometimes reminds me of post-cancer Koivu, unable to keep a high pace for any shift that's over 25 seconds. Which means he can't be an effective 3d line forechecker type, where the numbers aren't as important as wearing down opposing D. (ie, what Armia can do well when it pleases him) The comparable contract was supposed to be Kreider... and clearly they are no longer comparable. Anyone else sometimes wonder where we'd be if the hockeysfuture-suggested transaction of Gallagher for Nugent-Hopkins had been made a few years ago ? (say in 2018 when we were horribly thin at C)... I wonder about what if we traded Gallagher a lot. I wasn’t a fan of the signing . I agreed it was better than doing nothing, but that year we signed Gallagher as our highest paid forward, then we acquired Anderson and Toffoli, and we had Drouin. These were our 4 highest paid forwards and not one of them ever scored 60 points in a season. The general consensus was we now had a bunch of 50 point players. How many 50 point seasons have we gotten out of Gallagher , Anderson, and Drouin since the Gallagher extension? Back then the argument was Gallagher’s contract would be very tradeable in 2-3 years. Things have changed on that front. Bergevin never could understand you but low, sell high |
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Post by PTH on Jan 18, 2023 0:36:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that Berg didn't understand that... but he was too loyal to guys who'd performed well for him, Gallagher and Price being the prime examples.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 18, 2023 1:29:36 GMT -5
I never heard that PTH. Was that a real rumor or something in the trade thread? Just in the trade forums, but it was something both fanbases thought made sense. EDM with McDavid and Draisatl and little else could have used spunk and scoring on the wing, and the Habs could've used a strong 2-way center. But if we're going to wonder about what could've happened.... Draisatl + other assets for Subban at the 2016 draft still comes to mind. If we're talking about very doable what ifs: picking Tchuck instead of KK. |
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Post by PTH on Jan 18, 2023 1:52:07 GMT -5
Just in the trade forums, but it was something both fanbases thought made sense. EDM with McDavid and Draisatl and little else could have used spunk and scoring on the wing, and the Habs could've used a strong 2-way center. But if we're going to wonder about what could've happened.... Draisatl + other assets for Subban at the 2016 draft still comes to mind. If we're talking about very doable what ifs: picking Tchuck instead of KK. Combine that with Oettinger over Poehling, and we've got a solid basis for a team... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 18, 2023 12:10:15 GMT -5
This is getting crazy again. Three months for Slaf. 8-10 weeks for Evans.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 18, 2023 12:27:03 GMT -5
Oof. I didn't see the Slaf injury. What happened? Evans is a tough one also. He was just hitting his stride and playing his best hockey of the season.
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Post by jkr on Jan 18, 2023 12:33:37 GMT -5
Yikes! 3 months for Slafkovsky. That would bring him to the end of the season.
On top of having a poor roster, no one can stay healthy.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 18, 2023 13:20:27 GMT -5
Just in the trade forums, but it was something both fanbases thought made sense. EDM with McDavid and Draisatl and little else could have used spunk and scoring on the wing, and the Habs could've used a strong 2-way center. But if we're going to wonder about what could've happened.... Draisatl + other assets for Subban at the 2016 draft still comes to mind. If we're talking about very doable what ifs: picking Tchuck instead of KK. It goes both ways guys. We might have picked any number of people instead of Caufield, or Guhle. You win some, you lose some. There isn't a team out there that gets it right all the time. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 18, 2023 15:31:32 GMT -5
Yikes! 3 months for Slafkovsky. That would bring him to the end of the season. On top of having a poor roster, no one can stay healthy. There is a silver lining. We now don't lose this year towards his UFA status. He had to get 40 games, and he only got 39. Hrmmmmm, the NHL might want to look into this one. 😉 |
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Post by folatre on Jan 18, 2023 17:33:07 GMT -5
That is true, skilly. And now since the kid is on IR, he cannot be sent down, so this all but assures he earns the entirety of his $950K salary. Of course, it appears Slafkovsky will not earn any Level A or Level B bonuses.
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Post by PTH on Jan 18, 2023 18:46:21 GMT -5
Yikes! 3 months for Slafkovsky. That would bring him to the end of the season. On top of having a poor roster, no one can stay healthy. I always find injuries at this of year to be suspect.... not so much Slafkovsky, but Drouin and Armia... I have to wonder if this isn't the point in the year when players decide it isn't worth playing through pain to lose 30 of 40 upcoming games and get horrible numbers out of it, to boot. Our lineup is going to be real thin for a while, that's for sure. The AHL trio of Pitlick, Ylonen and RHP is probably going to get a lot of ice time. I wouldn't be opposed to finding a reclamation project to use that ice time to develop someone a bit.... shame we didn't pick up Tolvanen off waivers. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 19, 2023 1:32:25 GMT -5
If we're talking about very doable what ifs: picking Tchuck instead of KK. It goes both ways guys. We might have picked any number of people instead of Caufield, or Guhle. You win some, you lose some. There isn't a team out there that gets it right all the time. Except in KK's case MB went off the board and ignored the obvious choice. Dumb. Will always remember the ladies face and the WTF look. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 19, 2023 1:45:25 GMT -5
Yikes! 3 months for Slafkovsky. That would bring him to the end of the season. On top of having a poor roster, no one can stay healthy. There is a silver lining. We now don't lose this year towards his UFA status. He had to get 40 games, and he only got 39. Hrmmmmm, the NHL might want to look into this one. 😉 That's about the only silver lining. I've posted my worries about a Slaf injury some time ago. He was taking the big hits, including concussions and at times seemed lost out there. Who knows what caused this injury but I am convinced as I posted before, that he was playing too much hockey for a kid his age when he was not ready for the NHL. I think HuGo have handled him very poorly this year. Hopefully the injury is not serious but regardless this year has not been good for his development. He is the only kid from his draft in the NHL, and it's not as if he showed he belonged. He was getting mostly 4th line minutes and he hadn't scored in something like 20 games. That is just dumb. He should have been in the AHL, and certainly should have played in the WJC. So if Slafs doesn't pan out we, as usual, can debate whether he was a bad pick or he was developed poorly. Either way that's on HuGo. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 19, 2023 8:10:18 GMT -5
There is a silver lining. We now don't lose this year towards his UFA status. He had to get 40 games, and he only got 39. Hrmmmmm, the NHL might want to look into this one. 😉 That's about the only silver lining. I've posted my worries about a Slaf injury some time ago. He was taking the big hits, including concussions and at times seemed lost out there. Who knows what caused this injury but I am convinced as I posted before, that he was playing too much hockey for a kid his age when he was not ready for the NHL. I think HuGo have handled him very poorly this year. Hopefully the injury is not serious but regardless this year has not been good for his development. He is the only kid from his draft in the NHL, and it's not as if he showed he belonged. He was getting mostly 4th line minutes and he hadn't scored in something like 20 games. That is just dumb. He should have been in the AHL, and certainly should have played in the WJC. So if Slafs doesn't pan out we, as usual, can debate whether he was a bad pick or he was developed poorly. Either way that's on HuGo. I agree with most everything here but I would not have sent him to the AHL. Some lifer may have seen him as a target. My choice would have been the OHL, especially if Kitchener was the destination. He could have reunited with Mesar on a decent club. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 19, 2023 11:02:36 GMT -5
That's about the only silver lining. I've posted my worries about a Slaf injury some time ago. He was taking the big hits, including concussions and at times seemed lost out there. Who knows what caused this injury but I am convinced as I posted before, that he was playing too much hockey for a kid his age when he was not ready for the NHL. I think HuGo have handled him very poorly this year. Hopefully the injury is not serious but regardless this year has not been good for his development. He is the only kid from his draft in the NHL, and it's not as if he showed he belonged. He was getting mostly 4th line minutes and he hadn't scored in something like 20 games. That is just dumb. He should have been in the AHL, and certainly should have played in the WJC. So if Slafs doesn't pan out we, as usual, can debate whether he was a bad pick or he was developed poorly. Either way that's on HuGo. I agree with most everything here but I would not have sent him to the AHL. Some lifer may have seen him as a target. My choice would have been the OHL, especially if Kitchener was the destination. He could have reunited with Mesar on a decent club. OHL would have been better than Le Club but I think HuGo wanted to control the Slaf's situation which they could do in Laval as they control the staff there and Slafs would be living in Mtl. If he gets in with the wrong crowd in the OHL or has some dumb ass coach that could cause problems. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 19, 2023 11:20:38 GMT -5
Hughes wanted to control his development and not have it based on production, AND he didn’t want to undo all the teaching they had done to date People on here say it all the time. Go dominate in lower leagues. I hate that phrase / thinking. It is counterproductive to development if it is being based on production and it doesn’t happen. The best place to learn NHL hockey, is in the NHL. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/why-did-canadiens-slafkovsky-stay-in-nhl-kent-hughes-gave-some-insight/Another thing about the WJC. At the time clubs were releasing players we had a competitive club, and Slaf was just starting to click with Monahan and Anderson. When Monahan was injured (Dec 5th) we were 12-11-2. It’s fine to look back in hindsight, but in early December Slaf WAS becoming the player we wanted. Releasing him could have undid all that |
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