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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 15, 2023 13:46:58 GMT -5
Definitely a bit underwhelming in isolation, but HuGo moved out Hoffman and Pitlick, freed up space for young forwards, got a spare goalie (still expect one to get flipped, even for little return), a local AHL forward, a second round pick, and now a fourth round pick and spare parts for two years of about $2.3M in retention).
With the cap going up in a year, the retention amount will be less of a burden in year two. Now at $3.8M over cap before LTIR usage (can use up to $10.5M from Price once season starts).
Still a logjam on D, so camp battles will be interesting on the right side. Definitely not a D core to scare anyone yet even with everyone healthy, but another good year of development for the young guys who don’t get sent down on waivers at various points. Definitely not a “going hard for a wildcard playoff spot” roster yet.
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Post by PTH on Aug 15, 2023 14:06:59 GMT -5
Also the 4th round is conditional: 2025 4th round pick (DET) [Conditional]* *Conditions: Montreal receives the later of Detroit or Boston's 2025 4th round picks It's really a 4th round pick, rank to be determined, and not a pick only received under certain conditions. I figure the pick makes up for the 2nd years retention, since it makes it possible to rent a retention slot for an expiring contract. Underwhelming in itself, but combined with the original deal we got out of the Hoffman deal and get a 2nd and a 4th. Basically Petry has nil intrinsic value. I think it comes down to him being overly fussy about where he'll play. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 15, 2023 14:09:16 GMT -5
Petry needed to go and Hughes did Petry a solid and traded him home. I'm fine with the return, getting rid of Hoffman was the major selling point to this whole thing.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 15, 2023 14:35:13 GMT -5
Odd that there wasn't a better market for Petry, at that salary. Makes one think that there was some sort of 'agreement' with Petry to send him to Detroit, so there really wasn't any way to look at other offers. Lindstrom looks like AHL material with call-up potential if we incur injuries. The 4th round pick is meh.
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Post by folatre on Aug 15, 2023 15:17:22 GMT -5
Hughes is probably accumulating a lot of goodwill among agents and players because he has gone out of his way to treat vets (Dadanov, Hoffman, Drouin, Petry, etc.) in the classiest manner possible.
Yeah, the return is poor considering the Habs are stuck retaining for two seasons. I believed Lindstrom was a reach early in the second round when the Wings picked him in 2017 and nothing about his four seasons in North America suggest he will be consolidate as an NHL regular. Basically Lindstrom will be in the mix for playing time this season and if his form does not take a nice step forward then he will not even be qualified next summer because Montreal's pool of d-prospects is formidable.
I think Hughes could have got more had he waited until the deadline when more teams can take on money. But he must have known how Petry felt (i.e. did not want to be here), so he just moved him now for whatever offer was available, which I do not really have a huge problem with.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 15, 2023 15:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Aug 15, 2023 17:31:47 GMT -5
Pretty solid mehhhh...give or take an h...
We got another borderline NHL guy on the right side to add to the clutter and a 4th. So much for getting a 2nd for him.
In the end this was a pile of leftovers and Hoffman was the ice cream.
An old Greek saying...no matter how hard you churn water, you wont get butter. We didn't put much on the table and didn't get much either.
We're going to have a pile up and unless Hughes makes some Pollock level moves, we're going to lose some talent.
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Post by folatre on Aug 15, 2023 18:01:13 GMT -5
Jeje, these Greek sayings are great. I have one from the old country related to situations where you feel disappointment or angst about something but in reality probably should not bother feeling disappointed: you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip.
I think it came down to Hughes wanting to move Petry, a likely malcontent in the event he was not moved, ASAP. It comes across as the classy thing to do for a veteran NHL d-man. And I imagine St. Louis and Hughes agreed that the intangibles of a tight group are significant and guys kids like Kovacevic and Barron are grateful to be Canadiens.
In an ideal world, Petry would not be sour on playing in Montreal and thus Hughes could have comfortably held onto to him until the deadline. For example, I believe Dallas was very interested and probably Jimmy Nill is sick thinking that Yzerman got the player for a vanilla Swedish d-man castoff and a fourth rounder. Dallas is a contender with serious need on the blueline and has more incentive to give up a better package than what Detroit gave, but the problem was that Dallas has no cap space. Petry's hit would have been doable for the Stars in February, though not to start the season at $2.33 million AAV.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 15, 2023 18:06:59 GMT -5
Petry needed to go and Hughes did Petry a solid and traded him home. I'm fine with the return, getting rid of Hoffman was the major selling point to this whole thing. Wonder how long Jeff Petry will be playing for ... he was born near Detroit, and now he's planting roots there again ... Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 15, 2023 18:13:55 GMT -5
Also the 4th round is conditional: 2025 4th round pick (DET) [Conditional]* *Conditions: Montreal receives the later of Detroit or Boston's 2025 4th round picks Later? So we get the worse pick? We retain and still get the worse pick? |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 15, 2023 18:33:29 GMT -5
Jeje, these Greek sayings are great. I have one from the old country related to situations where you feel disappointment or angst about something but in reality probably should not bother feeling disappointed: you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip. . My parents were simple village people, born in desperate poverty...who punched above their weight in life. My fathers two most wise sayings...when very young..."i can see your lie" while holding up one finger to his eyes. Next one when i was an early teenager was..."you can decide what to do when you carry your own sack of olives to the mill". They came to visit us in 2000 and by that time we were running 24/7. He opened the door to the factory, stood there and asked if it was all mine. "Yes it is dad. And i brought truck loads of olives to the mill", We both cried a bit. I miss them... |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 15, 2023 19:06:24 GMT -5
I think it came down to Hughes wanting to move Petry, a likely malcontent in the event he was not moved, ASAP. It comes across as the classy thing to do for a veteran NHL d-man. And I imagine St. Louis and Hughes agreed that the intangibles of a tight group are significant and guys kids like Kovacevic and Barron are grateful to be Canadiens. In an ideal world, Petry would not be sour on playing in Montreal and thus Hughes could have comfortably held onto to him until the deadline. For example, I believe Dallas was very interested and probably Jimmy Nill is sick thinking that Yzerman got the player for a vanilla Swedish d-man castoff and a fourth rounder. Dallas is a contender with serious need on the blueline and has more incentive to give up a better package than what Detroit gave, but the problem was that Dallas has no cap space. Petry's hit would have been doable for the Stars in February, though not to start the season at $2.33 million AAV. If Hughes did Petry a favor by taking him instead of going to SJ, i would of expected a favour back by him staying with us for 3-4 months until we could get better deal. 4.6 million retained is not worth a 4th and a nobody. With these blahh trades and what looks like favours, i wonder if Hughes is "protecting" his reputation as an player agent? Just in case he has to go back to that. For the record, i like sharks more then lovable guppies... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 15, 2023 19:52:00 GMT -5
Petry needed to go and Hughes did Petry a solid and traded him home. I'm fine with the return, getting rid of Hoffman was the major selling point to this whole thing. Wonder how long Jeff Petry will be playing for ... he was born near Detroit, and now he's planting roots there again ... Cheers. Born in Ann Arbor |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 15, 2023 19:53:41 GMT -5
Jeje, these Greek sayings are great. I have one from the old country related to situations where you feel disappointment or angst about something but in reality probably should not bother feeling disappointed: you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip. . My parents were simple village people, born in desperate poverty...who punched above their weight in life. My fathers two most wise sayings...when very young..."i can see your lie" while holding up one finger to his eyes. Next one when i was an early teenager was..."you can decide what to do when you carry your own sack of olives to the mill". They came to visit us in 2000 and by that time we were running 24/7. He opened the door to the factory, stood there and asked if it was all mine. "Yes it is dad. And i brought truck loads of olives to the mill", We both cried a bit. I miss them... That's a great story |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 15, 2023 20:27:56 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Aug 15, 2023 20:34:39 GMT -5
It might help with free agents. |
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Post by drkcloud on Aug 15, 2023 20:37:24 GMT -5
It might help with free agents. Very few significant free agents have any interest in Montreal, particularly if they have school aged children, so I'm not sure if that will bear any fruit |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 15, 2023 20:54:58 GMT -5
A bit of background.... "sack of olives to the mill" had enormous gravitas behind it. He was born in 1918 in the midst of great hunger. A sack of olives meant you picked 20 sacks to earn it and now, you can feed your family a bit of bread dipped in olive oil. Death from hunger averted for a while longer. Another saying from that time was...."God will look after us. Weeds will always grow near the road." They actually picked weeds, boiled them, added olive oil and ate them with a bit of bread. Hunger death averted for a while longer. Yes. The same weeds we kill in our lawns. I have no idea if they have any nutritional value, or simply filled their stomach with roughage, giving them hope to make it through the days. They went through ANOTHER great hunger post WW2. Some of these saying were born from great pain and desperation....AND we don't know how good our lives are compared to them. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 15, 2023 21:05:10 GMT -5
Also the 4th round is conditional: 2025 4th round pick (DET) [Conditional]* *Conditions: Montreal receives the later of Detroit or Boston's 2025 4th round picks Later? So we get the worse pick? We retain and still get the worse pick? Yes. That is correct. Who will be worse? I have no idea. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 15, 2023 23:14:47 GMT -5
It’s a 4th round pick. Throw a dart from 40 feet or 39’ 11”. It won’t matter.
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 16, 2023 1:05:15 GMT -5
Very poor return! I've become accustom to admiring Hughes' deals, but not this one. What does it mean? 1) GMs don't think much of Petry. While Hughes may have done Petry a favour with the Detroit destination, it was only because Hughes wasn't getting much interest. Confirms what i've been saying for some time now: Petry ain't that good. Hard to believe that he's under contract for $6.5 million (another Bergy special) yet no team wants to pay him more than $2.5. Perhaps Dubas is the genius Leaf fans calimed him to be up until a few months ago  2) It's possible we can believe Hughes' spin that Habs scouts think a lot of Lindstrom and that he has only reached 70% of his potential. But really, everything i've read about the guy, even if he improves 30%, he's still no better than a 3rd pairing 3) i would have sent Petry to Laval until he altered his no trade list. But i guess former player's agents don't act that way and spoiled players get their way. All Petry's whining and demands have landed him in his Promised Land. So for those that say this will be good for Hughes and attracting FAs, i say this simply feeds the entitlement of these spoiled athletes. 4) And while we're kicking around expressions. I've got no profound Greek adages, but a rather fitting sports saying from Leo: "Nice guys finish last!" |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 16, 2023 8:25:40 GMT -5
A bit of background.... "sack of olives to the mill" had enormous gravitas behind it. He was born in 1918 in the midst of great hunger. A sack of olives meant you picked 20 sacks to earn it and now, you can feed your family a bit of bread dipped in olive oil. Death from hunger averted for a while longer. Another saying from that time was...."God will look after us. Weeds will always grow near the road." They actually picked weeds, boiled them, added olive oil and ate them with a bit of bread. Hunger death averted for a while longer. Yes. The same weeds we kill in our lawns. I have no idea if they have any nutritional value, or simply filled their stomach with roughage, giving them hope to make it through the days. They went through ANOTHER great hunger post WW2. Some of these saying were born from great pain and desperation....AND we don't know how good our lives are compared to them. I'm lebanese so the dandelion leaves in olive oil is a thing... |
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Post by jkr on Aug 16, 2023 8:36:00 GMT -5
It's 2023. We live in an era of entitled athletes with huge salaries and no movement clauses. Players have more power than ever before and are not afraid to wield it.
If a player digs in their heels publically there isn't much a GM can do and resorting to seventies era tactics like burying a guy in the minors won't work.
Petry has his shortcomings but he can still play. The reason his value is low is that his stance is public. Dubas only got rid of him because he is taking on Karlsson and most of his huge salary.
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Post by Polarice on Aug 16, 2023 8:57:52 GMT -5
Am I the only one that is thrilled that we traded Petry? Didn't care what we got in return for him, just wanted him gone so he didn't take up playing time of one of the kids.
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 16, 2023 10:35:49 GMT -5
Am I the only one that is thrilled that we traded Petry? Didn't care what we got in return for him, just wanted him gone so he didn't take up playing time of one of the kids. i'm happy as thought the guy was overrated and overpaid. Apparently the gms agree. Just wished we got a little more in return. Read that Lindstrom was thinking of going back to Europe to play as he was likely going to be the Wings 7th dman. Ya, the Wings 7th dman. i guess we can hope for some Marty Magic. |
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Post by frozone on Aug 16, 2023 11:05:14 GMT -5
I agree. Cowan is looking at the nice act only and thinking that there's value in showing players throughout the league that you're a GM who will work with your interests in mind. And yes, that is important to many players, I'm sure. However, what works against Hughes here is that he has called attention to the fact that Petry reeeeaally didn't want to be here in the first place. Sure, Hughes comes out looking like a nice guy, but it's a bit too much like the nice guy who drives his ex-GF to her new boyfriend's place to "Netflix and chill". And in this case, the new boyfriend is a guy that she grew up with and always kinda wanted to date. And for being such a nice guy, the new BF gave Hughes $5 for gas and an Atta-boy. And let's not forget that Petry basically cheated on the team in 2021-22. Hughes didn't owe this man anything, so I definitely think he looks a little weak on this one. Despite all of this, I'm still happy overall. That's how much I wanted Hoffman gone lol. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 16, 2023 12:32:34 GMT -5
Am I the only one that is thrilled that we traded Petry? Didn't care what we got in return for him, just wanted him gone so he didn't take up playing time of one of the kids. i'm happy as thought the guy was overrated and overpaid. Apparently the gms agree. Just wished we got a little more in return. Read that Lindstrom was thinking of going back to Europe to play as he was likely going to be the Wings 7th dman. Ya, the Wings 7th dman. i guess we can hope for some Marty Magic. So basically Hughes traded for a player who will resort to more blackmailing if he doesn't get his way. This last Petry move smells more like a BargainBin special then sound management strategy. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 16, 2023 12:42:00 GMT -5
I'm lebanese so the dandelion leaves in olive oil is a thing... To quote my wife..."it's the only thing that i can grow in my garden that i can't kill" The woman managed to kill a CACTUS. If there is such a thing as Green Thumb, she has a Brown Thumb. Anywho...my mother picked and cooked dandelion in Canada when i was young. Never touched my lips. |
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Post by franko on Aug 16, 2023 13:18:42 GMT -5
Hoffman for a bag of pucks and $.
bottom line, Hoffman gone.
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Post by folatre on Aug 16, 2023 19:15:40 GMT -5
Yeah, when you combine the return from the two trades, it does not seem too bad. Again, it all goes back to Petry likely bringing a negative vibe into the group and Hughes, knowing this, decided to flush the entire issue without further delay. Sure, he could have played the eff you I'm the boss card and made Petry wait a few months, but I suppose Montreal's management just concluded hey it is not worth the drama.
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