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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 18, 2024 21:59:13 GMT -5
Lindstrom had another setback, that's concerning... be interesting to see what Hugo do
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Post by seventeen on Apr 18, 2024 22:42:27 GMT -5
I never understood drafting for need. The team's needs are immediate & the player you choose is most likely to be 1-3 years away from filling that need. Obviously, you take the BPA. Now all one needs is a clairvoyant on staff so we know who the best player will be in 5 years. Who you're really drafting is the next guy on your list. I can understand drafting for need when there is very little difference between the next 3 guys on your list and they all play different positions. Why wouldn't you? If you're taking the 5th guy down your list because he plays centre or defence or goal, that's where you have to stop and consider what you're doing. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 18, 2024 22:43:55 GMT -5
Lindstrom had another setback, that's concerning... be interesting to see what Hugo do That does give you pause. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 18, 2024 22:45:31 GMT -5
Lindstrom had another setback, that's concerning... be interesting to see what Hugo do Is there more injury news? Because I have heard nothing. I expect he is missing the U18s to help fully heal up his injury that he came back from just in time for the playoffs (and no way 100%). |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 18, 2024 23:57:39 GMT -5
Lindstrom had another setback, that's concerning... be interesting to see what Hugo do Is there more injury news? Because I have heard nothing. I expect he is missing the U18s to help fully heal up his injury that he came back from just in time for the playoffs (and no way 100%). That may very well be the reason. No idea why Catton is passing it up. Was he playing hurt late in the season? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 19, 2024 7:25:44 GMT -5
Lindstrom had another setback, that's concerning... be interesting to see what Hugo do Is there more injury news? Because I have heard nothing. I expect he is missing the U18s to help fully heal up his injury that he came back from just in time for the playoffs (and no way 100%). You might be right but back injuries are troubling... theathletic.com/5409613/2024/04/11/berkly-catton-cayden-lindstrom-nhl-draft-2024/ |
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Post by frozone on Apr 19, 2024 8:29:25 GMT -5
So according to Cansetino, we're drafting Yakemchuck? He's got Lindstrome at 10th in March and in April, Catton at 9 Ingila at 10, Linds at 11. So now it looks like we got... Rein, Mailman and Yaks on the right. Hutson, X and best hopium on the left. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sportsnets-2024-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-april-edition/Don't fret, Ghule can fetch a Dawson. It will just take a bit longer to gel the Perennial Contenders. I’m all for trading a stud LHD for a top forward prospect, but I’m not sure if Guhle is the right guy. If we’re talking about winning the cup as our objective, I hate to say it, but the guy that might be best to trade is Hutson. And I say this as a fan that has been wanting some old PK Subban energy back in the building. Hutson brings it in spades, but he’s small, easily pushed off the puck, isn’t a great skater and is very inefficient with his energy. His hockey IQ may be high enough to overcome all of that, but to win a cup? Guhle is needed imo, and Hutson’s stock is at a high right now. Probably a moot point, though. Hugo isn’t trading Hutson - the fans are already in love with him and desperately want the electricity that he brings. But I really hope that the front office is talking about the size/strength/speed of the team, because I don’t see a path to the cup with Caufield, Hutson, Newhook and possibly Catton all in the core. Regardless of which LHD we would trade, I’m all for drafting either of the top RHD’s: Levshunov, Parekh or Yakemchuk. Each of them would instantly become our top prospect and would balance out our Defense (and prospect timeline for that matter). In a year where the 2nd tier of forwards in the draft all have their question marks, I’m firmly on the BPA wagon. |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 19, 2024 9:57:28 GMT -5
So according to Cansetino, we're drafting Yakemchuck? He's got Lindstrome at 10th in March and in April, Catton at 9 Ingila at 10, Linds at 11. So now it looks like we got... Rein, Mailman and Yaks on the right. Hutson, X and best hopium on the left. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sportsnets-2024-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-april-edition/Don't fret, Ghule can fetch a Dawson. It will just take a bit longer to gel the Perennial Contenders. I’m all for trading a stud LHD for a top forward prospect, but I’m not sure if Guhle is the right guy. If we’re talking about winning the cup as our objective, I hate to say it, but the guy that might be best to trade is Hutson. And I say this as a fan that has been wanting some old PK Subban energy back in the building. Hutson brings it in spades, but he’s small, easily pushed off the puck, isn’t a great skater and is very inefficient with his energy. His hockey IQ may be high enough to overcome all of that, but to win a cup? Guhle is needed imo, and Hutson’s stock is at a high right now. Probably a moot point, though. Hugo isn’t trading Hutson - the fans are already in love with him and desperately want the electricity that he brings. But I really hope that the front office is talking about the size/strength/speed of the team, because I don’t see a path to the cup with Caufield, Hutson, Newhook and possibly Catton all in the core. Regardless of which LHD we would trade, I’m all for drafting either of the top RHD’s: Levshunov, Parekh or Yakemchuk. Each of them would instantly become our top prospect and would balance out our Defense (and prospect timeline for that matter). In a year where the 2nd tier of forwards in the draft all have their question marks, I’m firmly on the BPA wagon. I like Guhle, a lot. But based on the one game i've seen Mailloux play, he is likely going to be a better dman. And on the two games i've seen Lane play, he could very well be a Quinn Highes - they don't grow on trees. And then there is Reinbacher, who again is similar to Guhle and Logan. Lane is unique. So if you're trading one of these 4 top d prospects, Lane is last on my list to go. |
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Post by frozone on Apr 19, 2024 14:50:16 GMT -5
I’m all for trading a stud LHD for a top forward prospect, but I’m not sure if Guhle is the right guy. If we’re talking about winning the cup as our objective, I hate to say it, but the guy that might be best to trade is Hutson. And I say this as a fan that has been wanting some old PK Subban energy back in the building. Hutson brings it in spades, but he’s small, easily pushed off the puck, isn’t a great skater and is very inefficient with his energy. His hockey IQ may be high enough to overcome all of that, but to win a cup? Guhle is needed imo, and Hutson’s stock is at a high right now. Probably a moot point, though. Hugo isn’t trading Hutson - the fans are already in love with him and desperately want the electricity that he brings. But I really hope that the front office is talking about the size/strength/speed of the team, because I don’t see a path to the cup with Caufield, Hutson, Newhook and possibly Catton all in the core. Regardless of which LHD we would trade, I’m all for drafting either of the top RHD’s: Levshunov, Parekh or Yakemchuk. Each of them would instantly become our top prospect and would balance out our Defense (and prospect timeline for that matter). In a year where the 2nd tier of forwards in the draft all have their question marks, I’m firmly on the BPA wagon. I like Guhle, a lot. But based on the one game i've seen Mailloux play, he is likely going to be a better dman. And on the two games i've seen Lane play, he could very well be a Quinn Highes - they don't grow on trees. And then there is Reinbacher, who again is similar to Guhle and Logan. Lane is unique. So if you're trading one of these 4 top d prospects, Lane is last on my list to go. In a vacuum, you’re absolutely right. But in reality, are you convinced that Hutson will be better than Levshunov? Or Parekh, or Yakemchuk? Management needs to be convinced that he’ll overcome his deficiencies in the NHL enough to become Norris caliber Dman. Myself, I have doubts about his skating ability and how he’ll stand up to the long playoff wars. I know he’s a gamer, but everyone in the playoffs is a gamer, and the nhl isn’t kind to small offensive defensemen with so-so skating. I want Hutson on the team for the entertainment value, but if he’s an exploitable weak link in the playoffs, I would be ok to move him if we could draft one of the top RHD’s in this upcoming draft. But ultimately it’s about what we can get in return and whether Management is convinced that Hutson has enough hockey iq in him to thrive in the nhl. Because a small 45 pt PP specialist that needs to play sheltered minutes doesn’t get us closer to a cup imo. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 19, 2024 21:50:10 GMT -5
There is such a thing as too much...
Of we draft a top RHD the we got an issue with too much in one area that is going to be wasted.
If Mailman, Rein and Yaks are legitimate top 4 then by definition, we are wasting talent. They all land up playing 20 minutes a night were 24/25 would be normal for top 4 and decent filler playing 10-12 minutes.
Sure, that sounds great, but it will become imperitive to trade one of them and balance the lineup.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 19, 2024 21:54:33 GMT -5
I like Guhle, a lot. But based on the one game i've seen Mailloux play, he is likely going to be a better dman. And on the two games i've seen Lane play, he could very well be a Quinn Highes - they don't grow on trees. And then there is Reinbacher, who again is similar to Guhle and Logan. Lane is unique. So if you're trading one of these 4 top d prospects, Lane is last on my list to go. In a vacuum, you’re absolutely right. But in reality, are you convinced that Hutson will be better than Levshunov? Or Parekh, or Yakemchuk? Management needs to be convinced that he’ll overcome his deficiencies in the NHL enough to become Norris caliber Dman. Myself, I have doubts about his skating ability and how he’ll stand up to the long playoff wars. I know he’s a gamer, but everyone in the playoffs is a gamer, and the nhl isn’t kind to small offensive defensemen with so-so skating. I want Hutson on the team for the entertainment value, but if he’s an exploitable weak link in the playoffs, I would be ok to move him if we could draft one of the top RHD’s in this upcoming draft. But ultimately it’s about what we can get in return and whether Management is convinced that Hutson has enough hockey iq in him to thrive in the nhl. Because a small 45 pt PP specialist that needs to play sheltered minutes doesn’t get us closer to a cup imo. I'd give Hutson a year before even thinking of trading him. He needs to add speed, very doable...and gain stregnth. Also doable. His level of vision and creativity is of the charts. Of course if he lands us Fantelli or equivilant...well... |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 20, 2024 0:44:40 GMT -5
I like Guhle, a lot. But based on the one game i've seen Mailloux play, he is likely going to be a better dman. And on the two games i've seen Lane play, he could very well be a Quinn Highes - they don't grow on trees. And then there is Reinbacher, who again is similar to Guhle and Logan. Lane is unique. So if you're trading one of these 4 top d prospects, Lane is last on my list to go. In a vacuum, you’re absolutely right. But in reality, are you convinced that Hutson will be better than Levshunov? Or Parekh, or Yakemchuk? Management needs to be convinced that he’ll overcome his deficiencies in the NHL enough to become Norris caliber Dman. Myself, I have doubts about his skating ability and how he’ll stand up to the long playoff wars. I know he’s a gamer, but everyone in the playoffs is a gamer, and the nhl isn’t kind to small offensive defensemen with so-so skating. I want Hutson on the team for the entertainment value, but if he’s an exploitable weak link in the playoffs, I would be ok to move him if we could draft one of the top RHD’s in this upcoming draft. But ultimately it’s about what we can get in return and whether Management is convinced that Hutson has enough hockey iq in him to thrive in the nhl. Because a small 45 pt PP specialist that needs to play sheltered minutes doesn’t get us closer to a cup imo. I have a sense it is much easier to be a smallish dman now, more than ever. I will be watching Quinn Hughes with interest this playoff to see if he can be neutralized as he is a smallish dman about the same size as Lane. A team like the Preds will be a good test. I think Quinn will do quite well. If so, the question becomes, is Lane a Quinn? I think he is. Lane's stats in college are far superior to Quinn's. And what I saw the first 2 games of Lane, tells me this guy is the real deal. Now, I have to admit, you could probably find a post of mine a few years ago about this time of year saying Ryan Pohling was going to be a Hart Trophy winner.  But what's life without hope? Let's see how Quinn performs in playoff hockey. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 20, 2024 1:00:07 GMT -5
I will be watching Quinn Hughes with interest this payoff to see if he can be neutralized. A team like the Preds will be a good test. I think he will do quite well. If so, the question becomes, is Lane a Quinn? I think he is. Not only does he have a more impressive resume at this stage, what i saw the first 2 games tells me this guy is the real deal. Now, I have to admit, you could probably find a post of mine a few years ago about this time of year saying Ryan Pohling was going to be a Hart Trophy winner. Let's see how Quinn performs in playoff hockey. I watch Quinn Hughes a lot too. He and Hutson are very similar with one key difference. Remember that goal Lucas Raymond scored in OT for the Wings? If it was Hughes chasing him, instead of Hutson, Raymond doesn't get that goal. Hughes catches him, definitely. I've seen numerous instances of a forechecker chasing Hughes behind the net and Hughes just takes off, leaving the guy in his ice dust. He's got that extra gear that Hutson doesn't and unless Lane gets that extra gear he will have trouble achieving what Quinn Hughes has already done. Hughes gets a bad knock for defense too. He's pretty good in that area because he gets to pucks ahead of forecheckers and makes good passes to teammates while he's in a phone booth. The team exits the zone and less time is spent in their end. The opposite of a David Savard, for example. Hughes had a +38 rating this year, the best on the Canucks. The Nashville series and the playoffs period, will be a test for him but he was pretty good in 2019/20 with 2-14-16 in 17 games. |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 20, 2024 1:08:09 GMT -5
I will be watching Quinn Hughes with interest this payoff to see if he can be neutralized. A team like the Preds will be a good test. I think he will do quite well. If so, the question becomes, is Lane a Quinn? I think he is. Not only does he have a more impressive resume at this stage, what i saw the first 2 games tells me this guy is the real deal. Now, I have to admit, you could probably find a post of mine a few years ago about this time of year saying Ryan Pohling was going to be a Hart Trophy winner. Let's see how Quinn performs in playoff hockey. I watch Quinn Hughes a lot too. He and Hutson are very similar with one key difference. Remember that goal Lucas Raymond scored in OT for the Wings? If it was Hughes chasing him, instead of Hutson, Raymond doesn't get that goal. Hughes catches him, definitely. I've seen numerous instances of a forechecker chasing Hughes behind the net and Hughes just takes off, leaving the guy in his ice dust. He's got that extra gear that Hutson doesn't and unless Lane gets that extra gear he will have trouble achieving what Quinn Hughes has already done. Hughes gets a bad knock for defense too. He's pretty good in that area because he gets to pucks ahead of forecheckers and makes good passes to teammates while he's in a phone booth. The team exits the zone and less time is spent in their end. The opposite of a David Savard, for example. Hughes had a +38 rating this year, the best on the Canucks. The Nashville series and the playoffs period, will be a test for him but he was pretty good in 2019/20 with 2-14-16 in 17 games. Small sample size, but when Quinn was called up at end of his sophmore year he got 3 points in 5 games with Canucks. Lane got 2 points in 2 games. Quinn then got 53 points in 68 games his rookie year. As Cranky says, let's see how Lane does next year. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 20, 2024 2:12:26 GMT -5
He did create a lot of high danger chances for the team. Offense can start from the back.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 20, 2024 8:46:08 GMT -5
Is there more injury news? Because I have heard nothing. I expect he is missing the U18s to help fully heal up his injury that he came back from just in time for the playoffs (and no way 100%). That may very well be the reason. No idea why Catton is passing it up. Was he playing hurt late in the season? That is what I am guessing. He did struggle against PG in the first round. But then again, so is Tij Iginla in the second round who ripped it up in the first round and had a ton of band wagon jumpers (including McCagg who also was hard on Catton for doing poorly against PG). Hmmm, maybe part of the narrative is that PG are a very good team that is good at smothering offense. They are the top ranked team in the CHL and came into the playoffs on quite a tear, so…I am a fan of using stats and context together when possible. Oh, and as for Iginla, I still really like him and would easily put him in my top ten. |
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Post by frozone on Apr 20, 2024 10:01:38 GMT -5
I watch Quinn Hughes a lot too. He and Hutson are very similar with one key difference. Remember that goal Lucas Raymond scored in OT for the Wings? If it was Hughes chasing him, instead of Hutson, Raymond doesn't get that goal. Hughes catches him, definitely. I've seen numerous instances of a forechecker chasing Hughes behind the net and Hughes just takes off, leaving the guy in his ice dust. He's got that extra gear that Hutson doesn't and unless Lane gets that extra gear he will have trouble achieving what Quinn Hughes has already done. Hughes gets a bad knock for defense too. He's pretty good in that area because he gets to pucks ahead of forecheckers and makes good passes to teammates while he's in a phone booth. The team exits the zone and less time is spent in their end. The opposite of a David Savard, for example. Hughes had a +38 rating this year, the best on the Canucks. The Nashville series and the playoffs period, will be a test for him but he was pretty good in 2019/20 with 2-14-16 in 17 games. Small sample size, but when Quinn was called up at end of his sophmore year he got 3 points in 5 games with Canucks. Lane got 2 points in 2 games. Quinn then got 53 points in 68 games his rookie year. As Cranky says, let's see how Lane does next year. I don’t think anyone is writing off Hutson at this stage. At worst, I think there’s an “I’m not sure” camp. I’m in that camp, but I do agree, let’s wait and see. However, if we wait, we may lose out on Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Parekh, etc. Heck, even some of the top ranked LHD’s MIGHT be an upgrade on Hutson in the NHL. I haven’t seen much of Buium, but he basically matched Hutson’s production in his draft year and I thought he was the better D at the WJC. Bigger and better skater too. Lane Hutson can be special, and I want him on the club. And to be honest, Adam Fox doesn’t really rely on his skating to excel on both ends of the ice. He’s all smarts. So it’s possible for Lane. Management just needs to be sure NOW imo so that we don’t miss out on the potential upgrades that may be available when we draft. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 20, 2024 11:43:58 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone is writing off Hutson at this stage. At worst, I think there’s an “I’m not sure” camp. I’m in that camp, but I do agree, let’s wait and see. However, if we wait, we may lose out on Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Parekh, etc. Heck, even some of the top ranked LHD’s MIGHT be an upgrade on Hutson in the NHL. I haven’t seen much of Buium, but he basically matched Hutson’s production in his draft year and I thought he was the better D at the WJC. Bigger and better skater too. Lane Hutson can be special, and I want him on the club. And to be honest, Adam Fox doesn’t really rely on his skating to excel on both ends of the ice. He’s all smarts. So it’s possible for Lane. Management just needs to be sure NOW imo so that we don’t miss out on the potential upgrades that may be available when we draft. Seeing Hutson as a star player and drafting another RHD as BPA are NOT mutually exclusive. If they are in Hughes mind, he has no business running anything but a hot dog stand. IF we draft another star defenseman then we make Guhle or Hutson available for a kings ransom. Guhle can fetch a Zegras or a Mercer, which gives us the lethal young top 6. A 60-70 point Hutson is worth Fantilli. Everything now and going forward is about smart asset management. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 20, 2024 11:51:33 GMT -5
In overtime, Hutson was a step behind. He's a smart kid and he does not need crayons and a coloring book to realize that he needs to be faster.
THAT can be done given his youth and size. It's harder for X to gain speed simply because he has a much more massive frame to accelerate.
Given his history, expect him to be faster next season. And also improve his skating style. I don't like his deep hunching.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 20, 2024 13:11:57 GMT -5
In overtime, Hutson was a step behind. He's a smart kid and he does not need crayons and a coloring book to realize that he needs to be faster. THAT can be done given his youth and size. It's harder for X to gain speed simply because he has a much more massive frame to accelerate. Given his history, expect him to be faster next season. And also improve his skating style. I don't like his deep hunching. Pretty hard to change a skating style after so many years using it. Hunching down may well be a protective measure for a smaller guy, to get his centre of gravity lower so he's harder to push around. But, as you point out, the speed thing is critical. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 20, 2024 15:09:43 GMT -5
Guys can certainly improve the skating facet of their game even after they sign the first pro contract. But I am in the camp with those who are skeptical older kids and adults can institute a true style makeover.
I always had a choppy, slightly hunched over skating style. It was what it was. And my parents, new to Canada, certainly were not going to spend money on skating coaches. Now with kids myself, I see from season to season a lot parents throwing serious cash at camps and private skating instructors and to be honest the impact is rarely dramatic even in kids (age 12) who play with or against my son. Most of the boys and girls maintain their same skating style and the gains in speed that do happen are mostly attributable to body growth/strength.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 20, 2024 16:04:04 GMT -5
In overtime, Hutson was a step behind. He's a smart kid and he does not need crayons and a coloring book to realize that he needs to be faster. THAT can be done given his youth and size. It's harder for X to gain speed simply because he has a much more massive frame to accelerate. Given his history, expect him to be faster next season. And also improve his skating style. I don't like his deep hunching. I didn't see Lane as slow in OT, only a little confused. But still almost got us the winner! Has the kid ever played 3 on 3 before? |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 21, 2024 1:20:59 GMT -5
In overtime, Hutson was a step behind. He's a smart kid and he does not need crayons and a coloring book to realize that he needs to be faster. THAT can be done given his youth and size. It's harder for X to gain speed simply because he has a much more massive frame to accelerate. Given his history, expect him to be faster next season. And also improve his skating style. I don't like his deep hunching. I didn't see Lane as slow in OT, only a little confused. But still almost got us the winner! Has the kid ever played 3 on 3 before? Slow is relative. He's probably average or a little bit better than average for NHL players for speed. But if he's going to play at 170 lbs or so, he needs another gear to avoid forecheckers and for quicker zone exits. I have no doubt he'll be a good NHL dman. But can be be great? Get him another stride and he can. |
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Post by Andrew on Apr 26, 2024 13:39:21 GMT -5
Mark your calendars. May 7 it is.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 26, 2024 13:45:43 GMT -5
You know Utah will win the draft lottery
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Post by seventeen on Apr 26, 2024 16:24:03 GMT -5
It's a toss up for me. Utah or Chicago. Gary probably owes his job to Wirtz and Jacobs.
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Post by folatre on Apr 26, 2024 19:58:30 GMT -5
May 7, eh? Almost time to light the votive candles.
There is going to every opportunity to get at least if not better prospect than Montreal drafted in 2023. After the lottery ends some suspense, it will interesting to speculate on how Gorton-Hughes' internal #2-7 ranking may look.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 27, 2024 15:04:41 GMT -5
It looks like Lindstrom or Catton is in our future.
I hope they do a thorough health check on both. If there is the slightest question, then trade for Mercer, Z, Frost or someone that can plug directly into 2C.
If all else fails BPA. Given that there are so few forwards, chances are we get a top 2 defenseman dropping to us. That would not be ideal short term, but a huge win because it may free up someone like Ghule for a huge trade.
Also like to see our low 1st go for someone like Kalyev or someone ready to rumble.
This draft is going to be very important to us to come out of the rebuild. It's also going to be a challenge to not screw it up.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2024 18:07:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty confident HuGo will do the wright thing... Slaf was the right pick, I'm feeling good about Reinbacher...
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Post by seventeen on Apr 28, 2024 12:24:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty confident HuGo will do the wright thing... Slaf was the right pick, I'm feeling good about Reinbacher... I see what you did there. 🙂 |
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