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Post by Willie Dog on May 4, 2024 16:36:58 GMT -5
3rd round pick and 50% retained. Or for Josh Anderson or Brendan Gallagher with salary retained by the Kings. No way, he got the intestinal fortitude of Drouin... run away and don't look back We have 2 years of Anderson and 3 years of Gallagher... don't want 7 years of overgrown drouin |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 4, 2024 16:41:01 GMT -5
3rd round pick and 50% retained. Or for Josh Anderson or Brendan Gallagher with salary retained by the Kings. No way, he got the intestinal fortitude of Drouin... run away and don't look back We have 2 years of Anderson and 3 years of Gallagher... don't want 7 years of overgrown drouin He still outscored and got more points than the two guys I listed. Plus I think the 1-3-1 style of game the king's play doesn't play to his skill level. It's like us asking Caulfield to play in that system. It wouldn't work. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 4, 2024 17:12:20 GMT -5
No way, he got the intestinal fortitude of Drouin... run away and don't look back We have 2 years of Anderson and 3 years of Gallagher... don't want 7 years of overgrown drouin He still outscored and got more points than the two guys I listed. Plus I think the 1-3-1 style of game the king's play doesn't play to his skill level. It's like us asking Caulfield to play in that system. It wouldn't work. It is a massive risk that could hurt this team for years... HuGo want guys with character, this guy doesn't have any. |
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Post by Cranky on May 4, 2024 17:35:49 GMT -5
I've been tracking PLDonkey all season. He's been an absolute disaster for LA and partially responsible for the team losing focus and early success.
He's radioactive trash. Poison. There is no scenario where he comes into a young team like the Habs and doesn't poison the locker room with his selfish, trash attitude.
You heard of leadership? His is animal farm. You heard of effort? His is to cash his big fat checks. You heard of desire? His died a painful death.
How many ways can i say i don't want him on our team?
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Post by Tankdriver on May 4, 2024 18:24:00 GMT -5
So what do you think the Kings do? Buy him out at 1/3 if the cup is not awarded after June 24th?
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Post by folatre on May 4, 2024 18:47:42 GMT -5
There is no way you trade for him because the contract is too rich for too many seasons, so even if the Kings were agreeing to take either Gallagher or Anderson that still does not make it logical.
If Dubois gets bought out, I think Hughes would certainly talk to a lot of people (many of whom are in the organization) about him and consider what insights they have to share.
Not all guys who get purged by a disappointed organization are identical players or people. Trotz obviously had no time for the way Johansen and Duchene were not pulling their weight (i.e. cap hit) for Nashville and apparently not buying in to the way Hynes wanted the team to play. It was a good move by Trotz because it shook up the room and gave other players' opportunities. But there is no one size fits all verdict on the two guys sent packing. On the one hand, Johansen seems basically to be 'done' as an NHLer and thus even at $4 million AAV he is overpaid. On the other hand, Dallas scooped up Duchene after his buyout for a one year/$3 million dollar deal and he put up 65 points. And by all accounts, he easily fit in with the Stars established leadership core and his coaches and mates love him.
Robitaille and Blake pushed way too many chips into the middle of the table and lost. However, if the risk is far more containable, then the situation merits evaluation.
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Post by Cranky on May 4, 2024 18:50:10 GMT -5
I don't care what the Kings do with him. I hope they keep him so he doesn't become a FA and we go through another clown show of "I want to go home".
Let's not forget that BargainBin fingerprints are all over this trade and signing. He's advising Robitaille/Blake and as we know, BargainBin loves his nepotism and inner boys circle.
Like I said, I've tracked the Donkey in an LA forum and was fascinated how it turned from enthusiastic and hopeful to absolute disgust.
In no uncertain terms, I don't want this clown making our habs into a clown show.
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Post by folatre on May 4, 2024 19:40:49 GMT -5
Jeje, it is hard to know. Probably Bergevin was a 'yes' man in the room. But I think Robitaille and Blake are stupid enough to be the architects without his input.
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Post by Cranky on May 4, 2024 19:44:22 GMT -5
Wait until you hear that BargainBin may be the GM if Blake gets fired.
All I can say is that Hughes will have a huge opportunity to trade Ghally and Anderson.
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Post by folatre on May 4, 2024 20:25:24 GMT -5
Robitaille and Blake are safe for 2024-25. If not, one or both of them would have been sent packing within 48 hours of the Kings getting booted by the Oilers. However, I believe the entire decision about turfing Dubois via buyout (if they can do it at 1/3) rests in the hands of the owner rather than the guys in the front office since clearly it would be beyond embarrassing for them to see such a scenario come to pass.
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Post by Cranky on May 4, 2024 20:36:42 GMT -5
Hopium is a deadly drug...
If they don't buy out the Donkey NOW, they will live with him for a long time.
What I found d interesting is that at the beginning of the season the Kings were doing great, then slowly sunk.
I wonder why...
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Post by folatre on May 4, 2024 20:52:23 GMT -5
I agree. If the fabulously wealthy man who owns the Kings is dialed in and an astute decision-maker, he should simply order the buyout. If not, then I guess he is allowing Robitaille and Blake to save face and blow smoke up his chimney.
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Post by Cranky on May 4, 2024 21:28:59 GMT -5
Even the astute wealthiest have this giant mirror in their heads that tells them how smart they are.
For me, it's a mistake that you simply own, get mad, fire everybody in your mind, then deal with it.
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Post by habsorbed on May 5, 2024 2:41:36 GMT -5
LA moved to get PLD to see if they could get one more run with Kopitar and Doughty. It is now official, those two are over the hill. And not only will Dubois not help those two, he will delay any rebuild. i think you'll see LA do the Hawks sell all assets and get on with the rebuild. they will be below the Sharks in a year or two..
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Post by folatre on May 5, 2024 8:02:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Blake made the mistake of feeling bullish about a mediocre roster because they made the playoffs in 2021-22. So he turned his back on the rebuild and started frittering away future-oriented assets and blocking the pathway for kids to make the Kings' roster.
I mean, basically I think he wanted to do the same thing the Rangers were successfully doing. However, a more honest assessment of LA's situation would have warned him away from taking a shortcut. Now it appears the bus broke down in the middle of nowhere land.
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Post by Skilly on May 5, 2024 10:38:45 GMT -5
Robitaille and Blake are safe for 2024-25. If not, one or both of them would have been sent packing within 48 hours of the Kings getting booted by the Oilers. However, I believe the entire decision about turfing Dubois via buyout (if they can do it at 1/3) rests in the hands of the owner rather than the guys in the front office since clearly it would be beyond embarrassing for them to see such a scenario come to pass. They save 16 million over 14 years (and 3 million on the yearly cap) if they buy him out when he is 25 yrs old vs 26 yrs old. Dubois must really hate being born in June now |
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Post by seventeen on May 5, 2024 13:50:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Blake made the mistake of feeling bullish about a mediocre roster because they made the playoffs in 2021-22. So he turned his back on the rebuild and started frittering away future-oriented assets and blocking the pathway for kids to make the Kings' roster. I mean, basically I think he wanted to do the same thing the Rangers were successfully doing. However, a more honest assessment of LA's situation would have warned him away from taking a shortcut. Now it appears the bus broke down in the middle of nowhere land. How long has Bergie been in LA? Signed Never forgiving The Kings had a pretty good set of draft picks from 2017 on and the prospect pool was ranked high. They had 4 top 10 picks and snagged Gabe Villardi, Quinton Byfield and Brock Faber. They missed a lot, though. Alex Turcotte at #5 in 2019 was huge. They could have had Seider, Cozens, Zegras, Boldy, Caufield and John Beecher (Ok, that's me provoking the Bruins). You replace Turcotte with one of those guys and the team changes dramatically. Their trades left a lot to be desired. Trading Faber in the Fiala deal wasn't terrible, as Faber hadn't broken out yet, but the Wild obviously saw something the Kings didn't. The Dubois deal cost them Villardi and added a whole bunch of hurt. You have to think Blake just isn't that good a GM. Not a lot of former players are, though they're often the leading contenders. Sure you could show me a list of former NHL'rs who are good GM's (Yzerman maybe, Rutherford maybe), but they're the exception. Guerin is looking good, but Nill, Gorton, Zito (maybe) and Brian Burke are examples of non NHL players who have been succesful. When I add (maybe) I'm uncertain because those guys all inherited some key elite players and that makes the job a lot easier. Zito found a sucker in Treliving also. He should have checked elsewhere to unload Tkachuk and gotten a younger return. Sakic, for example, has a scouting staff that does well with it's top 10 picks and tends to blow just about everything else. Kaut, Connor Timmins, Bleakley, Jost, etc. Hopefully, Newhook at #16 is an exception. |
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Post by habsorbed on May 5, 2024 16:27:50 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on May 5, 2024 17:03:00 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing, habsorbed. Well, this Lazary guy who reports on the Kings for THN is, to be kind, completely out of touch with reality. Reality is no team in the league can accept the risk of a $8.5 million hit for the next seven seasons. So the notion that Dubois' contract is tradeable flies in the face of reason. And on top of that to suggest there could be any positive return for Los Angeles is the cow jumping over the moon chapter in this fairy tale.
Los Angeles has two options, neither of which is trade related. First, pray that he can bought out before his birthday and bang pull the trigger. Or second, keep him a King with the hope that with a new coach in a new system he plays good enough hockey to be considered an effective two-way forward who is simply overpaid.
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Post by Cranky on May 5, 2024 17:10:38 GMT -5
I read that article yesterday and I'm convinced he's on LSD.
The only thing that makes any sense is to take him with 3 1st rounders, then buy him out. Basically it's a backdoor way of buying first round draft choices. 3 1st round draft picks for 27 million.
Or let them pound sand....
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Post by IamCanadiens on May 5, 2024 19:26:54 GMT -5
I read that article yesterday and I'm convinced he's on LSD. The only thing that makes any sense is to take him with 3 1st rounders, then buy him out. Basically it's a backdoor way of buying first round draft choices. 3 1st round draft picks for 27 million. Or let them pound sand.... Fine line between PLD and LSD |
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Post by habsorbed on May 6, 2024 0:27:55 GMT -5
I read that article yesterday and I'm convinced he's on LSD. The only thing that makes any sense is to take him with 3 1st rounders, then buy him out. Basically it's a backdoor way of buying first round draft choices. 3 1st round draft picks for 27 million. Or let them pound sand.... Fine line between PLD and LSD Well, it may be that if you watched PLD while you were on acid, he might actually look like a good hockey player  |
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Post by habsorbed on May 6, 2024 10:01:36 GMT -5
Speaking of 3OA picks Mtl was looking at signing who got a grossly overpaid long term contract and are a complete bust: is KK for real? The guy is now a 4th liner with 0 points in 5 playoff games playing about 11 minutes. For all the trolling Canes and their fans did when they "stole" KK from us, it sure is good to have the last laugh. If they lose to the Rags it will be because they could have spent KK's contract on someone a little more impactful. Go Rags!
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Post by Cranky on May 6, 2024 10:58:31 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on May 6, 2024 11:09:33 GMT -5
I guess media think the guy who bought the yotes is a fool with money to waste |
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Post by seventeen on May 6, 2024 11:57:23 GMT -5
The writer of this article must think moves in the NHL are like a vending machine. You push this button you get A, you push that button you get B. What he hasn't covered is how much coin you have to put in the machine before you can push the button. Or that the chute for Button C is empty. What a maroon. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 6, 2024 14:28:02 GMT -5
After reading Bobby Mackenzie rankings, it is looking like Demidov is probably the 2nd favourite to go in the draft. That's my choice if we aren't lucky to get 1 and somehow win #2. He did say that the players all the way up to 12 are in some form or enough in peoples top 5 so there should be a lot of intrigue this draft with potential for movement.
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Post by Skilly on May 6, 2024 18:55:12 GMT -5
I still got Demidov going at #5
I just got a feeling
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Post by folatre on May 6, 2024 20:05:40 GMT -5
Man, Skilly, I hope you are right.
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Post by IamCanadiens on May 6, 2024 20:19:55 GMT -5
Man, Skilly, I hope you are right. I'd be thrilled too but I just can't see him dropping like Michkov with all that elite skill, his the reported good attitude and a strong all around game. Regardless, all reports point to a crapshoot after Celebrini so it'll be a very entertaining draft. |
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