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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 22, 2024 20:52:08 GMT -5
When do HuGo press the panic button?
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 22, 2024 20:52:27 GMT -5
I agree, we shouldn't live in the past....but how else does the team pay public tribute to its great history? We just went through the Bergevin decade where the alumni weren't exactly welcome around the team. Now, if they start selling 1976-79 Dynasty jerseys...that's where I'd draw the line.  When has 45 years ever been celebrated in the history of any sport? Agree. 45 isn't a "thing". As you say, they should've done the 50th in 2029...and they still might. My point is that a team can publicly acknowledge its illustrious history without living in the past. It's more like celebrating those players while they're still with us. I don't recall...did the team do a public 50th for the 1956-60 dynasty in 2010? Certainly no 45th in 2005. |
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Post by folatre on Oct 22, 2024 20:56:15 GMT -5
Trouba is a greasy weasel. Despite his stature and the dozens of dirty hits he has delivered in his NHL career, he rarely fights. He certainly could hold his own with any middle weight and maybe a few heavies too.
But he is fundamentally a POS because he wants to keep cheap shotting fellow NHLers without ever hearing the call of honour to answer the bell. Why would a dirty d-man of his size turn down Pezzetta and Anderson after what happened? Trouba is a loser. Hopefully when Pezzetta was chirping him from the box he said hey #8 your own team crapped on your loser azz all summer and every single day were desperately begging you to pack your bags and get the eff out of town.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 22, 2024 20:58:57 GMT -5
The Rangers just kept pouring it on ... reminded me a bit of the Boston game ...
Cheers.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 22, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5
I heard that Marty is going to be first for Jack Adams?
Or was it Jack Daniel's?
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 22, 2024 21:14:30 GMT -5
So tired of watching this Saperlipopette
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 22, 2024 21:23:43 GMT -5
I heard that Marty is going to be first for Jack Adams? Or was it Jack Daniel's? Did someone mention bourbon ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 22, 2024 21:32:25 GMT -5
So tired of watching this Saperlipopette recently called out the team for playing lousy, then scores his team's only two goals of the game ... seriously, the team still sucked, but ... it's about one of the few positives I can find ... that and maybe, Mike Matheson going to bat for Justin Barron ... IMHO, Matheson won the fight but overall, our club was simply outmatched ... the Rangers are clearly on a different tier ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 22, 2024 21:57:45 GMT -5
Marty has lost the room because the players aren't smart enough to implement the hybrid system he's chosen... that's why it's always a disaster in our end
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Post by habsgoalie27 on Oct 22, 2024 22:28:27 GMT -5
sadly,they are looking like a bottom 5 team
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 22, 2024 22:28:30 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 23, 2024 0:06:52 GMT -5
Hard to watch! I don't know what is worse, the peewee mistakes by players or the lack of any system in our d zone. Does anyone know the system? Is there one? All I see is players running around out of position and the other team throwing the puck around at will. I don't recall ever seeing us hemmed in for so long and so many times over the past 6 games. Who knew we'd miss Alex Burrows so much  |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 23, 2024 0:23:04 GMT -5
Game 7 of the season, and the 5th game the opposition has scored 4 or more goals. The third we've given up 6 or more More evidence that regardless of the goaltending, youth, etc., the main problem is defensive mindset and positioning. Marty was never a defensive gem, so we can hardly expect that he has a handle on it. Which means we need someone who does. He desperately needs an assistant or associate coach who can work out a defensive and zone exit system and then let Marty take over from there. Or maybe we just need a different coach entirely. I'll leave that to HuGo. Something has to change because otherwise the results won't. I was ready to rant at Trouba, but on watching the hit, it was more a case of Barron admiring his pass rather than looking for danger. Sheesh, against the Rangers it's a given that you have to have your head up around Trouba, and get ready to lift your own elbow pads. I wonder how Trouba would enjoy having someone launch himself at him after they made a pass instead of trying to avoid his hit. Accelerate into his face. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 23, 2024 0:48:17 GMT -5
Hard to watch! I don't know what is worse, the peewee mistakes by players or the lack of any system in our d zone. Does anyone know the system? Is there one? All I see is players running around out of position and the other team throwing the puck around at will. I don't recall ever seeing us hemmed in for so long and so many times over the past 6 games. Who knew we'd miss Alex Burrows so much Watch the goal simulations on the 1st, 5th and 6th goal. That's Marty's collapsing into a zone defense. Completely giving up on possession to "defend" the goal area. The problem when you give up ALL the surrounding area and collapse that tightly is that there is no chance that you get control of the puck and you literally made the net a shooting gallery. It is simply a lousy executed system and it's entirely, without a shred of an excuse, it's Marty's level of stupidity where he can't recognize the failure of his system. There are so many tools, so much information that it baffles me how Marty and company can't see the results and failures of what he "teaches". I'm beginning to believe that these "managers" have a tough time exceeding 80 IQ. MThead with his no possession trap and off the glass, BargainBin failure at managing the team, Marty's systemic stupidity...what's wrong with them? Why are we consistently getting the bottom of the barrel? www.nhl.com/gamecenter/mtl-vs-nyr/2024/10/22/2024020096/summary |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 23, 2024 0:48:36 GMT -5
Game 7 of the season, and the 5th game the opposition has scored 4 or more goals. The third we've given up 6 or more More evidence that regardless of the goaltending, youth, etc., the main problem is defensive mindset and positioning. Marty was never a defensive gem, so we can hardly expect that he has a handle on it. Which means we need someone who does. He desperately needs an assistant or associate coach who can work out a defensive and zone exit system and then let Marty take over from there. Or maybe we just need a different coach entirely. I'll leave that to HuGo. Something has to change because otherwise the results won't. I was ready to rant at Trouba, but on watching the hit, it was more a case of Barron admiring his pass rather than looking for danger. Sheesh, against the Rangers it's a given that you have to have your head up around Trouba, and get ready to lift your own elbow pads. I wonder how he'd like having someone launch himself at him after making a pass instead of trying to avoid a hit. Accelerate into his face. Hate to say it with Barron probably still feeling the effects of the blow to the head, but I've said it before, Barron does not think the game very well. It usually shows up on his +/-. but occasionally on him getting leveled as he is often unaware of his surroundings. I saw it as a hit to the head but even if Trouba didn't hit the head, he was going to level Barron. Barron left himself vulnerable. If we are building a contender, Barron ain't going to be in our top 6. And HuGo should give up on getting a decent return for him. It ain't going to happen. |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 23, 2024 1:21:44 GMT -5
What have we become. We are celebrating 45 yrs since our last dynasty, now?? . Why 45 years? It wasn't that long ago this board was poking fun at Toronto for pulling stunts like this. Wait the 5 years for 50 years, or if you are really desperate wait 2 years for the 50 anniversary of the 1976 Cup. We will be doing this all again in 5 years. And the ceremony? That was not up to the standards of this franchise. Parade them out and have two speeches and done ... very bland to me. And where was Larry? |
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Post by PTH on Oct 23, 2024 1:26:04 GMT -5
Marty has lost the room because the players aren't smart enough to implement the hybrid system he's chosen... that's why it's always a disaster in our end I'm thinking Harris and Kovasevic gave us quality depth which we might have underestimated the value of. It was probably worth taking a small step back by trading them since we need to develop other kids, but if the plan had really been to be a solid team this season, they wouldn't have been moved. Management knew this season wouldn't be a success, though I suspect they didn't expect it to be this bad, either. |
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Post by chicagohabs on Oct 23, 2024 1:50:38 GMT -5
Mailloux on that icing was ridiculously bad, even Struble was waving his hands at him like, "skate ffs". How can someone not give an effort to win a foot race. Some scouts say he has no chance to be a nhl regular. Others say he has top 2 potential..
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Post by Boston_Habs on Oct 23, 2024 9:43:52 GMT -5
Marty has lost the room because the players aren't smart enough to implement the hybrid system he's chosen... that's why it's always a disaster in our end I'm thinking Harris and Kovasevic gave us quality depth which we might have underestimated the value of. It was probably worth taking a small step back by trading them since we need to develop other kids, but if the plan had really been to be a solid team this season, they wouldn't have been moved. Management knew this season wouldn't be a success, though I suspect they didn't expect it to be this bad, either. I still think Marty has a lot of credibility with the players. And we've all said for a while that he needs an experienced X's and O's guy to install a defensive system that is easy to follow. Marty is a thinking man's coach and is very intelligent and thoughtful in the way he talks about hockey, but I had some brilliant professors in college who were lousy teachers. This is really on Gorton and Hughes. Marty is probably at a loss to figure out why his coaching isn't translating on the ice, but it may be because the guys just don't get it. Or he can't teach it, which isn't a shock since he's never been a real coach!! So get one. Hockey is such a fast game you can't have guys thinking or hesitating or not sure of their assignment. It has to be automatic. Some nights the effort and intensity isn't always there but there should be no question about what your job is on the ice. Go find Jacques Martin. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 23, 2024 9:45:56 GMT -5
I'm thinking Harris and Kovasevic gave us quality depth which we might have underestimated the value of. It was probably worth taking a small step back by trading them since we need to develop other kids, but if the plan had really been to be a solid team this season, they wouldn't have been moved. Management knew this season wouldn't be a success, though I suspect they didn't expect it to be this bad, either. I still think Marty has a lot of credibility with the players. And we've all said for a while that he needs an experienced X's and O's guy to install a defensive system that is easy to follow. Marty is a thinking man's coach and is very intelligent and thoughtful in the way he talks about hockey, but I had some brilliant professors in college who were lousy teachers. This is really on Gorton and Hughes. Marty is probably at a loss to figure out why his coaching isn't translating on the ice, but it may be because the guys just don't get it. Or he can't teach it. Hockey is such a fast game you can't have guys thinking or hesitating or not sure of their assignment. It has to be automatic. Some nights the effort and intensity isn't always there but there should be no question about what your job is on the ice. Go find Jacques Martin. I'd love to get Luke Richardson coaching the D corps again |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 23, 2024 9:58:18 GMT -5
Hard to watch! I don't know what is worse, the peewee mistakes by players or the lack of any system in our d zone. Does anyone know the system? Is there one? All I see is players running around out of position and the other team throwing the puck around at will. I don't recall ever seeing us hemmed in for so long and so many times over the past 6 games. Who knew we'd miss Alex Burrows so much Watch the goal simulations on the 1st, 5th and 6th goal. That's Marty's collapsing into a zone defense. Completely giving up on possession to "defend" the goal area. The problem when you give up ALL the surrounding area and collapse that tightly is that there is no chance that you get control of the puck and you literally made the net a shooting gallery. It is simply a lousy executed system and it's entirely, without a shred of an excuse, it's Marty's level of stupidity where he can't recognize the failure of his system. There are so many tools, so much information that it baffles me how Marty and company can't see the results and failures of what he "teaches". I'm beginning to believe that these "managers" have a tough time exceeding 80 IQ. MThead with his no possession trap and off the glass, BargainBin failure at managing the team, Marty's systemic stupidity...what's wrong with them? Why are we consistently getting the bottom of the barrel? www.nhl.com/gamecenter/mtl-vs-nyr/2024/10/22/2024020096/summaryIf Marty hasn't lost the room, he will shortly as players aren't that dumb, well most of them anyway. They will start to realize that being endlessly hemmed in their zone is a result of the ridiculous 'system'. If it is just one line being hemmed then you can argue it's the players on that unit. But when it's every unit, one can figure out what the source of the problem is? The team stats don't lie. Marty should be careful, as once he loses the room, it's over for him. But perhaps that will be a learning exprince for him which he will use at his next coaching job.  |
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 23, 2024 11:25:46 GMT -5
They needed to bring in a defense minded associate coach during the offseason. Robidas and Letowski are not it. Let Marty focus on the offense, transition and powerplay.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 23, 2024 12:59:49 GMT -5
They needed to bring in a defense minded associate coach during the offseason. Robidas and Letowski are not it. Let Marty focus on the offense, transition and powerplay. Are you suggesting another tank season? I didn't mind the thought of missing the playoffs, but I was hoping to improve enough to be drafting 10-12. Our core has to take the next step this season to be ready to take more next steps next season. Losing would be ok, but the way we are losing is not ok. Marty wouldn't be the first top tier player to flub as a coach, and he may not be a failure yet. Gretzky was a terrible coach (probably for many of the same reasons)....not defensively aware and far smarter than the players he was coaching. I thought Marty might be different because he had to work to get to the elite level so perhaps he could pass on some knowledge. I think he is doing that, as several of our guys have improved in many facets. If they're doing too much thinking, though, it's a problem. Some players can work it out, but in general (please don't pummel me) the majority of hockey players are superior on the physical side, inferior on the mental side. Not all, naturally. I believe the general level on the Habs is pretty good, but all you need is one guy on the ice who doesn't get the system and it breaks down for everyone. I would think that about a quarter of the Habs players are on that inferior side and one is very likely to be on the ice at any given time. Once that sort of stuff becomes apparent, players stop giving it their all and the slide begins. Tocchet in Vancouver is a great example. When he replaced Boudreau, discipline got a lot better, without him have to act like a tyrant. If Marty can accept an experienced, system guy as an assistant, they could make a good team. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 23, 2024 14:53:04 GMT -5
I'm thinking Harris and Kovasevic gave us quality depth which we might have underestimated the value of. It was probably worth taking a small step back by trading them since we need to develop other kids, but if the plan had really been to be a solid team this season, they wouldn't have been moved. Management knew this season wouldn't be a success, though I suspect they didn't expect it to be this bad, either. I still think Marty has a lot of credibility with the players. And we've all said for a while that he needs an experienced X's and O's guy to install a defensive system that is easy to follow. Marty is a thinking man's coach and is very intelligent and thoughtful in the way he talks about hockey, but I had some brilliant professors in college who were lousy teachers. This is really on Gorton and Hughes. Marty is probably at a loss to figure out why his coaching isn't translating on the ice, but it may be because the guys just don't get it. Or he can't teach it, which isn't a shock since he's never been a real coach!! So get one. Hockey is such a fast game you can't have guys thinking or hesitating or not sure of their assignment. It has to be automatic. Some nights the effort and intensity isn't always there but there should be no question about what your job is on the ice. Go find Jacques Martin. The absolute worse thing Marty can do is introduce fear and thinking into reflex actions. Let's take Mailman as an example. Ladt game he could of cleared the puck twice but overthought it. Gets his hand slapped because of it. Now the puck is on his stick...does he pass a low percentage pass because last time he took too long? Nope. That's trouble too. What does he do? Ooops, now he's covered. Watch Guhle get crushed on the glass, X making a bad outlet pass, Mailman get trapped...ALL of them are based on the same problem...the "defensive" system. If you have players collapse from the point to the net, who exactly are you passing to? Someone has to go to the wall to receive an outlet pass OR a very high risk up the middle pass to your forwards, which are going to be covered. ALL of this can be so easily seen and so easily blamed on the coaching...IF THE COACHING STAFF WAS HONEST. But it's easier to blame the players |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 23, 2024 15:00:20 GMT -5
I still think Marty has a lot of credibility with the players. And we've all said for a while that he needs an experienced X's and O's guy to install a defensive system that is easy to follow. Marty is a thinking man's coach and is very intelligent and thoughtful in the way he talks about hockey, but I had some brilliant professors in college who were lousy teachers. This is really on Gorton and Hughes. Marty is probably at a loss to figure out why his coaching isn't translating on the ice, but it may be because the guys just don't get it. Or he can't teach it, which isn't a shock since he's never been a real coach!! So get one. Hockey is such a fast game you can't have guys thinking or hesitating or not sure of their assignment. It has to be automatic. Some nights the effort and intensity isn't always there but there should be no question about what your job is on the ice. Go find Jacques Martin. The absolute worse thing Marty can do is introduce fear and thinking into reflex actions. Let's take Mailman as an example. Ladt game he could of cleared the puck twice but overthought it. Gets his hand slapped because of it. Now the puck is on his stick...does he pass a low percentage pass because last time he took too long? Nope. That's trouble too. What does he do? Ooops, now he's covered. Watch Guhle get crushed on the glass, X making a bad outlet pass, Mailman get trapped...ALL of them are based on the same problem...the "defensive" system. If you have players collapse from the point to the net, who exactly are you passing to? Someone has to go to the wall to receive an outlet pass OR a very high risk up the middle pass to your forwards, which are going to be covered. ALL of this can be so easily seen and so easily blamed on the coaching...IF THE COACHING STAFF WAS HONEST. But it's easier to blame the players The collapsing at 5v5 in the defensive zone is definately a problem, they're too compact and they give skilled players too much room... I also agree that by collapsing they don't give the D man an outlet... so if that's the case then the D should just do what MTHead would tell them to do, shoot it off the glass |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 23, 2024 15:31:48 GMT -5
The collapsing at 5v5 in the defensive zone is definately a problem, they're too compact and they give skilled players too much room... I also agree that by collapsing they don't give the D man an outlet... so if that's the case then the D should just do what MTHead would tell them to do, shoot it off the glass The unintended consequences of getting all the games...i get to watch them. On a huge tv, in slow motion, in 4k. And now with the NHL simulations, there is nowhere to hide stupid coaching. But then, Marty and his band of little workers has FAR MORE tools and video from all the angles, what's he/they doing about it? You can say that Mailman flubbed two opportunities to clear the zone, but what where his option? Where they any good? There is a vast difference between flubbing a pass to an open man 20 feet away then trying to choose between icing or losing the puck. Did he even have any options? Lastly...even a donkey like MThead can implement a system that actually half assed worked because we had a next level goaltending. Without Jesus Price, MTheads system would enjoy as much "success" as Martys. EDIT.... Martys system favors defenseman that can skate the puck put of our zone. Only Meth can do that and the rest either are not fast enough or turnover machines. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 23, 2024 17:00:09 GMT -5
Mailloux on that icing was ridiculously bad, even Struble was waving his hands at him like, "skate ffs". How can someone not give an effort to win a foot race. Some scouts say he has no chance to be a nhl regular. Others say he has top 2 potential.. I'm not prepared to blame Mailloux there when the ref did not follow the rulebook Rule 81 is Icing. The ref is supposed to decide if it is icing or not before a players skate reach the faceoff dot. The ref waved it off when Mailloux was at the bottom of the circle.... that was icing. Yes, play to the whistle, but both Mailloux and Struble expected that to be called icing If you slow the video down frame by frame, Mailloux is the first to the top of the circle, he is the first to the faceoff dot, the linesman then waves off icing as Mailloux crosses the bottom of the circle and the Ranger crosses the goal line. That's the very scenario the NHL wants to avoid, and why they instituted no touch icing when the defense wins the race to the faceoff dot. The ref frigged up. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 23, 2024 17:35:12 GMT -5
Mailloux on that icing was ridiculously bad, even Struble was waving his hands at him like, "skate ffs". How can someone not give an effort to win a foot race. Some scouts say he has no chance to be a nhl regular. Others say he has top 2 potential.. I'm not prepared to blame Mailloux there when the ref did not follow the rulebook Rule 81 is Icing. The ref is supposed to decide if it is icing or not before a players skate reach the faceoff dot. The ref waved it off when Mailloux was at the bottom of the circle.... that was icing. Yes, play to the whistle, but both Mailloux and Struble expected that to be called icing If you slow the video down frame by frame, Mailloux is the first to the top of the circle, he is the first to the faceoff dot, the linesman then waves off icing as Mailloux crosses the bottom of the circle and the Ranger crosses the goal line. That's the very scenario the NHL wants to avoid, and why they instituted no touch icing when the defense wins the race to the faceoff dot. The ref frigged up. Looks like these refs took a page from the NFL and the Chiefs... you don't think head office doesn't want the Rags to win the cup? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 23, 2024 18:22:15 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Oct 23, 2024 19:50:22 GMT -5
You don't announce who and when you are going to murd...err...beat the crap out of someone. Pre-meditated beat-the-crap-out-of-them carry suspensions. Seriously, is ANYONE street smart on the Habs? Or are they ice-cream huggers? |
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