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Post by seventeen on Mar 24, 2016 13:16:27 GMT -5
I had always wanted Hartley as a coach and was disappointed when Calgary hired him before Montreal. I'm not quite as sold now as I was then, and it has to do with Calgary's advanced stats, which aren't that good. Hartley seems to get good connections with his players, so he gets maximum effort out of them (which is a good thing). Combine that with a good system and I think you have a real winning combination. If Habs sign Hartley, I think it's critical that one of his assistants be someone with a really good grasp of systems (Boucher?). That might be an interesting combination, if Boucher would be satisfied with an assistants role. A lot of Calgary's success came last season when the club got much better than average goaltending. This year, not so much and the piper's been paid as a result. I like the forechecking style, though, and Hartley has won a QMJHL championship (not the Mem Cup), a Calder Cup, a Stanley Cup and a Swiss Cup. In his 4 full years in Colorado the team lost in the 3rd round 3 times and won the Cup the other. He has a good playoff record, so there's some ability there.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's fired, though if Julien or Vigneault were available, I might have them ahead of Hartley. Especially Julien. He's won at more than one level, while Vigneault has not had playoff success.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 24, 2016 13:51:47 GMT -5
Many of the NHL coaches tend to get recycled to several teams before being run out of the league. I don't know if any Anglo coach would fare any better than a French one over the last decade We'll never know in Montreal. And that's my point. Again, I'm not saying there aren't qualified Francophone-first coaches….it's not a question of language/ability….it's a question of exclusion. 29 other teams select from the entire pool, while we don't venture beyond the self-imposed rope barrier.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 24, 2016 15:38:04 GMT -5
Many of the NHL coaches tend to get recycled to several teams before being run out of the league. I don't know if any Anglo coach would fare any better than a French one over the last decade We'll never know in Montreal. And that's my point. Again, I'm not saying there aren't qualified Francophone-first coaches….it's not a question of language/ability….it's a question of exclusion. 29 other teams select from the entire pool, while we don't venture beyond the self-imposed rope barrier. That's the reality we live in .... Someone posted an article of the top 51 candidates that are currently available. The best, IMO, English candidate was Dale Hunter. Who would you suggest? Cause if it came done to Dale Hunter vs wrestling Pascal Vincent away from Winnipeg , then I don't see the harm in giving it to Vincent. Now if there is an English coach head above the rest ... I just don't think there is. The impediment now isn't language, it's the 2.5 million dollars the Habs would still be on the hook for ... and if Therrien managed to get a job coaching elsewhere, we still would owe him 2.5 million a year until his contract is up. I'm kinda surprised though that we don't hear any talk of convincing Patrick Roy to coach though ...
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 24, 2016 16:00:17 GMT -5
I don't want Crawford or Hartley. To me, they are just retreads and part of the coaching carousel like Therrien. Old school guys who do things a certain way. I'd rather stick with Therrien. Crawford has already coached for 4 teams with very little success since those stacked Avalanche teams of the late 90s. Same with Hartley. He also benefited from coaching the most talented team in the league, but he's done nothing since and Calgary has been a huge disappointment this year. No thanks.
The Habs organization used to be more willing to take risks on inexperienced coaches like Alain Vigneault and Claude Julien. Both guys started their NHL coaching careers in Montreal, and both are among the most successful coaches over the past 10-15 years. I'd be happy to have either of those guys behind the bench. There's no way Bergevin will pluck someone out of junior or even the AHL (please no of Lefebvre!), but does it have to be the usual suspects?
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 24, 2016 16:25:37 GMT -5
We'll never know in Montreal. And that's my point. Again, I'm not saying there aren't qualified Francophone-first coaches….it's not a question of language/ability….it's a question of exclusion. 29 other teams select from the entire pool, while we don't venture beyond the self-imposed rope barrier. That's the reality we live in .... Someone posted an article of the top 51 candidates that are currently available. The best, IMO, English candidate was Dale Hunter. Who would you suggest? Cause if it came done to Dale Hunter vs wrestling Pascal Vincent away from Winnipeg , then I don't see the harm in giving it to Vincent. Now if there is an English coach head above the rest ... I just don't think there is. The impediment now isn't language, it's the 2.5 million dollars the Habs would still be on the hook for ... and if Therrien managed to get a job coaching elsewhere, we still would owe him 2.5 million a year until his contract is up. I'm kinda surprised though that we don't hear any talk of convincing Patrick Roy to coach though ... For sure, that's the reality, and to be a fan of this team is to accept it. Understood. But it's wearing on me…. If this year's AWAKENING had occurred LAST year, does anyone here think that Bergevin would've tried his best to sign Babcock? As far as Therrien's contract is concerned, Molson will more than make up for that money with future playoff gates of a better-developed/coached team. That shouldn't stand in the way.
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Post by folatre on Mar 24, 2016 21:02:16 GMT -5
Vigneault and Julien both accomplished more in playoffs than Therrien. But in reality there is no chance either one will be available.
Lefebvre? I care not to even contemplate this.
Patrick Roy is intriguing but for me Bergevin would feel threatened by him.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 24, 2016 22:31:57 GMT -5
Vigneault and Julien both accomplished more in playoffs than Therrien. But in reality there is no chance either one will be available. Lefebvre? I care not to even contemplate this. Patrick Roy is intriguing but for me Bergevin would feel threatened by him. I read somewhere that the Habs passed on Patrick Roy because he wanted a say in everything ... he'd have to make an adjustment if he wanted to work for a guy like Bergevin ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 25, 2016 1:18:34 GMT -5
Vigneault and Julien both accomplished more in playoffs than Therrien. But in reality there is no chance either one will be available. If you check the Wild Card standings you'll see that Boston is 1 point ahead of Detroit. If the Wings overtake them, Boston falls into the WC group, populated by the Islanders who have 1 more point than Boston, and Philly who has one point less but 2 games in hand. In other words, the Bruins are in a very precarious position. If they miss the playoffs, there's no way Julien survives. Jacobs isn't Molson. He has zero loyalty. And Claude was already on a short leash this season because he's being blamed for managerial mistakes (that sounds suspiciously similar to his tenure in Montreal). It often seems a coach's worst enemy is his GM. But...to summarize, it may be quite possible that Julien is available this summer. Now whether Bergevin wants him or not is another matter, but availability may not be an issue.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 25, 2016 6:05:28 GMT -5
Why would Roy leave Colorado?
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Mar 25, 2016 7:46:42 GMT -5
Vigneault and Julien both accomplished more in playoffs than Therrien. But in reality there is no chance either one will be available. If you check the Wild Card standings you'll see that Boston is 1 point ahead of Detroit. If the Wings overtake them, Boston falls into the WC group, populated by the Islanders who have 1 more point than Boston, and Philly who has one point less but 2 games in hand. In other words, the Bruins are in a very precarious position. If they miss the playoffs, there's no way Julien survives. Jacobs isn't Molson. He has zero loyalty. And Claude was already on a short leash this season because he's being blamed for managerial mistakes (that sounds suspiciously similar to his tenure in Montreal). It often seems a coach's worst enemy is his GM. But...to summarize, it may be quite possible that Julien is available this summer. Now whether Bergevin wants him or not is another matter, but availability may not be an issue. Montreal could not play the style of hockey Julien has implemented in Boston and get away with it. PK could not be a dirty as Chara and Gallagher be as arrogant at Marchant and not be constantly penalized or suspended and I don't think Julien is any mote creative behind the bench as Therrian to play any other way. It then goes back to who can you hire that would be any better than MT ?
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 25, 2016 9:08:25 GMT -5
Montreal could not play the style of hockey Julien has implemented in Boston and get away with it. PK could not be a dirty as Chara and Gallagher be as arrogant at Marchant and not be constantly penalized or suspended and I don't think Julien is any mote creative behind the bench as Therrian to play any other way. Good point. Julien's Bruins were allowed to bully their way to a Cup in 2011. And Thomas still had to turn in a Conn Smythe performance. Had the Habs beaten the Bruins in Game 7 that year, there was talk that Neely would've made sure he was gone then. It then goes back to who can you hire that would be any better than MT ? Right...and where's the logic/reason in: Everyone else in our self-imposed pool isn't any better, so let's keep the least incompetent one.? Sorry way to run any team, IMO....
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Post by Skilly on Mar 25, 2016 9:17:29 GMT -5
Why would Roy leave Colorado? Because it's Montreal.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 26, 2016 8:21:30 GMT -5
If you check the Wild Card standings you'll see that Boston is 1 point ahead of Detroit. If the Wings overtake them, Boston falls into the WC group, populated by the Islanders who have 1 more point than Boston, and Philly who has one point less but 2 games in hand. In other words, the Bruins are in a very precarious position. If they miss the playoffs, there's no way Julien survives. Jacobs isn't Molson. He has zero loyalty. And Claude was already on a short leash this season because he's being blamed for managerial mistakes (that sounds suspiciously similar to his tenure in Montreal). It often seems a coach's worst enemy is his GM. But...to summarize, it may be quite possible that Julien is available this summer. Now whether Bergevin wants him or not is another matter, but availability may not be an issue. Montreal could not play the style of hockey Julien has implemented in Boston and get away with it. PK could not be a dirty as Chara and Gallagher be as arrogant at Marchant and not be constantly penalized or suspended and I don't think Julien is any mote creative behind the bench as Therrian to play any other way. It then goes back to who can you hire that would be any better than MT ? Our team seems to be built a lot like the one he coached in New Jersey.... He did get fired with 3 games to go (many put more blame on Lamoriello then Julien) but the Devils had 102 points and were leading the Atlantic division. And Julien did this without John Madden, Brian Gionta, or Patrick Elias for parts of the season. I think outta the French speaking coaches available with experience Julien and Vigneault are the best candidates. I think Julien has best chance of being available as its a good chance Bruins don't make playoffs. My ideal coaching out come would be if Julien gets fired we hire him to coach Montreal and if Guy Boucher can't find a taker we opproach him to coach St.John's.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 26, 2016 10:06:42 GMT -5
If you check the Wild Card standings you'll see that Boston is 1 point ahead of Detroit. If the Wings overtake them, Boston falls into the WC group, populated by the Islanders who have 1 more point than Boston, and Philly who has one point less but 2 games in hand. In other words, the Bruins are in a very precarious position. If they miss the playoffs, there's no way Julien survives. Jacobs isn't Molson. He has zero loyalty. And Claude was already on a short leash this season because he's being blamed for managerial mistakes (that sounds suspiciously similar to his tenure in Montreal). It often seems a coach's worst enemy is his GM. But...to summarize, it may be quite possible that Julien is available this summer. Now whether Bergevin wants him or not is another matter, but availability may not be an issue. Montreal could not play the style of hockey Julien has implemented in Boston and get away with it. PK could not be a dirty as Chara and Gallagher be as arrogant at Marchant and not be constantly penalized or suspended and I don't think Julien is any mote creative behind the bench as Therrian to play any other way. It then goes back to who can you hire that would be any better than MT ? What I find to be Claude Julien's biggest asset is his ability to close the gap between the coach and the players ... it doesn't matter what call goes against them, it's all personal ... he rarely yaps alone because everything is against them ... however, the timing of this recent 5-game losing streak couldn't be worse ... if he is canned for missing the playoffs I'm not so sure he'd consider Montreal, anyway ... he was screwed by Bob Gainey when he was there and I don't think he's forgotten that ... Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 12:36:37 GMT -5
I recall when this board called for Julien's head--specifically remarks on how he was constantly being "outcoached." And I don't think anybody forgets him complaining to the media on how PK (or our team in general) was constantly making referees look bad, despite the fact that his Bruins are known to dive as well. No thanks.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 26, 2016 12:57:58 GMT -5
Sorry, no thanks. Even considering Julien confirms the absurdity of this 'franco only' mantra. He is just another retread. Fired by various organizations including our own. And as has been pointed out, he was very lucky to win the Cup. It certainly wasn't a result of good coaching. He had Conn Smyth goaltending, extremely favourable 'rooting' from the league and even then they needed 3 seven games series to do the job. I remember reading a US article before the first round series against Montreal saying that if the Bruins lost Chirelli, Benning, Neely, and Julien would be fired. Talk about dodging bullets and making the most out of a very lucky streak. All four of them have since shown their true talents which are minimal.
I think MT is a terrible coach and can't wait to fire him but Julen as a replacement would be change for the sake of change, which in MT's case I'm good with. But surely we can do better than Julien.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 26, 2016 15:53:27 GMT -5
Don't want Julien. To even consider him speaks of the shackles of a narrow pool of mediocrity the language requirement places.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 26, 2016 15:58:02 GMT -5
I think MT is a terrible coach and can't wait to fire him but Julen as a replacement would be change for the sake of change, which in MT's case I'm good with. But surely we can do better than Julien. It's getting closer and closer to the obvious conclusion that one of us has to step up. I would qualify if it were not for this cattle prod glued to one hand......and a whip on the other.
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Post by franko on Mar 26, 2016 16:21:43 GMT -5
I think MT is a terrible coach and can't wait to fire him but Julen as a replacement would be change for the sake of change, which in MT's case I'm good with. But surely we can do better than Julien. It's getting closer and closer to the obvious conclusion that one of us has to step up. I would qualify if it were not for this cattle prod glued to one hand......and a whip on the other. tell Mrs Cranky to put them down and let you go
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 1, 2016 16:57:15 GMT -5
... not trying to reinvent the Chris Dyment thread ...
"... L’entraîneur-chef des Canadiens de Montréal, Michel Therrien, veut plus de jeux de puissance ..."
"... Head coach of the Montreal Canadiens, Michel Therrien, wants more power games ..." (translated by Google)
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Post by 24in93 on Apr 1, 2016 17:23:24 GMT -5
It says he wants more power plays. Referring to the Panthers getting penalized for their fans throwing plastic rats on the ice. Apparently they got two penalties for that the other night.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 1, 2016 17:32:16 GMT -5
Right...he's joking with the media that he wants Habs' fans to bring plastic rats to the game…. Hopefully, he has lots of time for laughs on the L'Antichambre panel soon….
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Post by blny on Apr 1, 2016 18:05:46 GMT -5
We complain about MT's system and work with young players, but Roy hasn't been able to get that Avs team to play any sort of structure. They're loosey goosey. Mac has stagnated. I don't think it's "all about Roy" in Denver, but I just don't think he's NHL level.
As for Hartley, I think you can look at that blue line and see where some of their problems lay. They're all pmd who play smallish. They need to change that up and get some defensive stalwarts. I think he would have fit well in Montreal. He's a combination of fiery and passionate with good tactical skills.
Crawford's success was some time ago, I agree. In Vancouver, he had regular season success, but was unable to get over the hump in the playoffs. I think the Kings gave up on him a little early. They had more wins in his second year, they had a young core. He had a better record in his second season with Dallas too (with the inconsistent Lehtonen and Raycroft for goalies). He missed the playoffs in all 4 of those years, but showed improvement in each of his second seasons. I think it could be argued quite easily that both GMs jumped the gun.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 1, 2016 20:42:39 GMT -5
Per RDS Michel Therrien has been placed on administrative leave for the remainder of the season. Details about interim coach will follow.
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Post by folatre on Apr 1, 2016 22:00:12 GMT -5
This is for real? This means what?
Is this joke for el dia de los inocentes?
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Post by 24in93 on Apr 1, 2016 22:52:02 GMT -5
Per RDS Michel Therrien has been placed on administrative leave for the remainder of the season. Details about interim coach will follow. Doesn't April Fool's end at noon?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 2, 2016 0:43:36 GMT -5
California time?
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 2, 2016 2:36:31 GMT -5
Per RDS Michel Therrien has been placed on administrative leave for the remainder of the season. Details about interim coach will follow. Nothing new here. He's been in leave of his senses for many years now!
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