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Post by montreal on Aug 24, 2003 3:24:11 GMT -5
Russianprospects.com is reporting that Kasty is headed to the WHL to play for Med Hat. Also Korneev is on the U-20 team, that was announced today, no surprise there. Edit: Forgot the link. A Czech journalist reported that Montreal Canadiens prospect Andrei Kostytsin will likely arrive at Medicine Hat for the 2003-04 season. He was drafted by the Tigers in the CHL Import Draft and has thus far been unable to crack CSKA Moscow lineup. www.russianprospects.com/ |
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Post by FormerLurker on Aug 24, 2003 3:47:33 GMT -5
Wow, that's a huge step down from the RSL. If he is indeed coming to North America, Hamilton should be his destination.
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Post by Habit on Aug 24, 2003 8:17:34 GMT -5
This doesn't sound right? He turns down a chance to sign with Montreal because he wanted to stay a few more years in Russia. Then decides to play for Medicine Hat because he cannot crack the big team at home.
If this happens, can Montreal sign him to a contract? Could they promote him to the Dogs? Interesting to see what happens. Is there a precedent for this?
At least western Habs fans will get a chance to see him first hand, and let us easterners know how he's playing (Hopefully dominating).
"When the going get's tough, the tough get going!"
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Post by Rhiessan on Aug 24, 2003 8:45:16 GMT -5
I'm not real familar with the Tigers roster, are there any Russians there already to help with the language thing?
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Post by Cranky on Aug 24, 2003 9:04:55 GMT -5
Medicin Hat? Is this for real? Why?
Forgetting my cynic "is this guy for real" yelping, I can NOT see how playing for Medicin Hat is better then playing for Hamilton. What is the problem here? Is he afraid that he will be under the scrutiny he deserves?
Is this 6 game wonder a phony bill of goods? It is a LOOOOONG way from “he is ready for the NHL” that we were sold 6 weeks ago. Isn’t it?
Hope is just another four letter word.............
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Post by turnbuckle on Aug 24, 2003 9:23:43 GMT -5
I CAN see it being better that AK play in Medicine Hat.
How many 18-year-olds have played in the AHL? More than a couple? I can't name very many offhand. I think Vinny Prospal may have been 18. Is he physically matue enough to go from the big ice surface to the smaller rinks of the AHL, playing against men? Maybe not. I'd be more comfortable with that decision if he was a really big kid, but he's not exactly a giant. Let's not forget that Perezhogin played one full season and part of another in the RSL before coming over to play in North America
Not only that, but the kid doesn't speak English. What better way for him to learn the language than to billet him with a family in Medicine Hat, and let him spend a season learning the language with kids his own age? I know when I was 18 years old, I wasn't really keen on hanging out with guys in their mid to late 20s, which would be the case with many of his teammates in Hamilton.
Let this kid develop naturally. Mot many 18-year-olds are too good for NA junior, and I suspect AK is not different.
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Post by StickHandler on Aug 24, 2003 9:42:03 GMT -5
Due to his age, Kasts cannot play in the AHL. If he comes to North america, it's either the Habs or a junior team. If the IHL was still alive, he could've played there but not the AHL.
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Post by Tattac on Aug 24, 2003 9:49:47 GMT -5
Due to his age, Kasts cannot play in the AHL. If he comes to North america, it's either the Habs or a junior team. If the IHL was still alive, he could've played there but not the AHL. But I remember someone on this board wrote not so long ago that there were different rules for North American and European prospects. Europeans can play in the AHL no matter what their age is. Blair320 asked the same question here habsrus.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&n=1&thread=8534 |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 24, 2003 9:50:46 GMT -5
I CAN see it being better that AK play in Medicine Hat. How many 18-year-olds have played in the AHL? More than a couple? I can't name very many offhand. I think Vinny Prospal may have been 18. Is he physically matue enough to go from the big ice surface to the smaller rinks of the AHL, playing against men? Maybe not. I'd be more comfortable with that decision if he was a really big kid, but he's not exactly a giant. Let's not forget that Perezhogin played one full season and part of another in the RSL before coming over to play in North America Not only that, but the kid doesn't speak English. What better way for him to learn the language than to billet him with a family in Medicine Hat, and let him spend a season learning the language with kids his own age? I know when I was 18 years old, I wasn't really keen on hanging out with guys in their mid to late 20s, which would be the case with many of his teammates in Hamilton. Let this kid develop naturally. Mot many 18-year-olds are too good for NA junior, and I suspect AK is not different. And exactly how different is this from playing with man in the CSKA? Are they not in their mid and late twenties, not to mention thirties? In fact he would be playing with a younger crowd in the AHL the CKSA. By the way, there are many young players within a few years of his age. At 6' and 190 pounds, his is not some little side ribs like the other very little side ribs we have. When I saw several games last year in Hamilton, I did not see the WWF on skates that people think the AHL is. Yes, there was "some" checking but WAY less then the NHL level of pain. In fact, one of may pet peeves was that the games were fast and the monsters on ice like Komo hardly dented any boards with opposing heads. In fact, the AHL is getting faster with less hitting then I remember it ten years ago. There is every right reason in the world to sign and play in Hamilton. Besides, who will make sure he develops his FULL potential and get all the help and ice time he needs? Medicin Hat or Jarvis? Certainly, if “he is NHL ready” the he is AHL overqualified. Isn’t he? Let’s face it, he is a bill of goods and Savard does not know how he will ultimately develop anymore then you or I do. All he drafted was “hope and pray” potential. I just wished they shut their traps instead of yodelling worthless jargon which is only meant to give us "hope" for the future. Arhggggg......................... |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 24, 2003 9:51:23 GMT -5
As far as reasoning for having him play in the CHL goes, I agree with turnbuckle. However, I do find it a bit odd that there hasn't been some North American source reporting such news.
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 24, 2003 9:52:44 GMT -5
Due to his age, Kasts cannot play in the AHL. If he comes to North america, it's either the Habs or a junior team. If the IHL was still alive, he could've played there but not the AHL. actually, I think he could play in the AHL. CHL players can't play at 18, but players from Europe can do it. But I think the reason why he won't be is it's too late to sign him to a PRO contract since he probably still is signed somehow with CKSA and if that is the case we had to sign him BEFORE August 15th to bring him to Hamilton. Wow, this is really unexpected news if true. He better d*mn well light it up in the WHL. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 24, 2003 9:55:38 GMT -5
However, I do find it a bit odd that there hasn't been some North American source reporting such news. agreed a ''Czech'' reporter is not exactly all that descriptive as a source. |
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Post by Goldthorpe on Aug 24, 2003 9:58:54 GMT -5
All this Kastsitsyn to Medicine Hat thingy is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. Unless there are some restriction on Kastsy playing in the AHL, then I really don't understand his move. Maybe he though that he would never crack the CSKA lineup this year and choose to move to NA earlier than expected. But frankly, for a 18 years old one year before a potential NHA lockout, it seems like a bold move.
Does anybody have confirmation of the news from another source than russianprospects?
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Post by madhabfan on Aug 24, 2003 9:59:56 GMT -5
Where is Kyle Woodlief these days?
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Post by Goldthorpe on Aug 24, 2003 10:01:10 GMT -5
agreed a ''Czech'' reporter is not exactly all that descriptive as a source. Yeah, you're right Marc. Why the hell a Czech reporter would be talking about the transfer of a Russian prospect to North America? happy birthday btw. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 24, 2003 10:06:48 GMT -5
agreed a ''Czech'' reporter is not exactly all that descriptive as a source. I wonder if our Moscow correspondent has heard anything about this move to play in North America? Over to you Tattac... |
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Post by Tattac on Aug 24, 2003 10:09:32 GMT -5
I wonder if our Moscow correspondent has heard anything about this move to play in North America? Over to you Tattac... No, I haven't. I've just checked the CSKA official site, there is nothing about it. And they usually post all the news connected with their players leaving to NA. |
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Post by Habsolution on Aug 24, 2003 10:11:09 GMT -5
This kid is busting faster than milk can turn sour under a 40ºC sun. Can you say :  BUST ! ;D  ;D  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 24, 2003 10:13:39 GMT -5
More info from Van who appears to know alot about the WHL over at HF: www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=6106Quote form Van I doubt it.
Kastistyn was drafted by the Tigers in 2002, not this summer...and he refused to report last season.
This coming season, Medicine Hat has returnee Martin Kubaliak (Slovakia), and 2003 Import Draft Pick Yannic Seidenberg coming over from Germany.
Unless Seidenberg jumps ship, Kubaliak and Seidenberg will be the Tigers 2 import players this season. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 24, 2003 10:20:11 GMT -5
Hey, I know her. I tell ya, she's good looking but has a heart of stone........not to mention that she is only half the woman that I expected........ This place finally erupted in some Hab's related talk. I bet this thread is going to hit 50 posts by tonight. |
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Post by mic on Aug 24, 2003 10:43:35 GMT -5
I bet this thread is going to hit 50 posts by tonight. Let's see  Seriously, I'd find it kind of strenge that AK moves to the WHL. Even playing with CSKA 2 would be a good thing, as he would play in an adult league. The U18 tournament has shown that he dominates junior hockey, now he has to show that he can dominate adult hockey. Playing in the russian second division would be a first step. Playing in the WHL not. Actually, I don't see the problem with him playing for CSKA 2. Don't compare him to other young players now, let him develop where he is and bring him over once he's ready. If there is someone to blame, it is Timmins who shouldn't go out and say things like "He's NHL-ready" when he doesn't even know where AK will play the next season. Let our prospects work on their hockey and everything will be right. Bring them step for step to the big team. Now the question is : does AK have a futur in Russia ? Where do these rumors come from ? Does he have a contract with CSKA for next season ? If not, then it would be good to find quickly a new club where he could have some responsabilities and have decent ice-time. Mic |
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Post by madhabfan on Aug 24, 2003 10:51:54 GMT -5
If Kastsitsyn plays in the WHL is it possible for him to be called up to the AHL during the year?
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Post by StickHandler on Aug 24, 2003 10:54:37 GMT -5
actually, I think he could play in the AHL. CHL players can't play at 18, but players from Europe can do it. But I think the reason why he won't be is it's too late to sign him to a PRO contract since he probably still is signed somehow with CKSA and if that is the case we had to sign him BEFORE August 15th to bring him to Hamilton. Wow, this is really unexpected news if true. He better d*mn well light it up in the WHL. I'd love to have an AHL rule book or something because I'm not convinced about that at all. |
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Post by TheCaper on Aug 24, 2003 10:57:24 GMT -5
As Marc pointed out, it's too late for Mtl to sign him to a pro contract. The RSL is the best place for him, but he isn't in Tikonov's plans. The choice is Russian second division vs the WHL. The WHL is a fine development league ... come on over.
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 24, 2003 11:16:50 GMT -5
I'd love to have an AHL rule book or something because I'm not convinced about that at all. I didn't find anything on the AHL site(it was a quick look mind you) so if anyone is ready to read the CBA and find out if they talk about it...here you go www.letsgopens.com/nhl_cba.php |
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Post by CLAN on Aug 24, 2003 12:32:10 GMT -5
The whl would be the best place for him to be. He learns about North America. He learns English. He learns the NHL style of hockey. He would be the go to guy on his team,not a 3rd or 4th liner in the RSL. If you want to play in the NHL ,with few exceptions, you have to learn the NHL style of play and it is only offered in North America.  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 24, 2003 15:08:29 GMT -5
I am looking orward to seeing him walking down Main St. Medicine Hat in his yellow zoot suit! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2003 15:33:02 GMT -5
Hey, I know her. I tell ya, she's good looking but has a heart of stone........not to mention that she is only half the woman that I expected........ LMAO! |
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Post by GoMtl on Aug 24, 2003 15:59:10 GMT -5
The whl would be the best place for him to be. He learns about North America. He learns English. He learns the NHL style of hockey. He would be the go to guy on his team,not a 3rd or 4th liner in the RSL. If you want to play in the NHL ,with few exceptions, you have to learn the NHL style of play and it is only offered in North America. Exactly, if he stays in Russia it doesn't seem like he'll get a lot of ice time on the big club, so it's either junior over there or junior over here... Here he can learn the North American game, and after a year of tearing up the WHL he'll be ready to move on to Montreal. |
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Post by turnbuckle on Aug 24, 2003 17:03:20 GMT -5
And exactly how different is this from playing with man in the CSKA? Are they not in their mid and late twenties, not to mention thirties? In fact he would be playing with a younger crowd in the AHL the CKSA. By the way, there are many young players within a few years of his age. I think you missed my point. He's not playing for CSKA, and that's one of the problems. Why bring up CSKA when he hasn't even been practising with the team? I was comparing junior hockey to the AHL; it had absolutley nothing to do with a league he is not even going to play in this season by the look of things. The big reason for that is he's still a kid. Ribs is 6-0 and about 180-185; Kastitisyn is 6-0, 189. I don't see a huge difference in size there. The difference is that Ribs been playing pro hockey for four years now. You avoided my question about 18-year-olds not playing in the AHL. There are reasons for that, just like there are reasons why he's not even preactising with the big club in Moscow. So why not junior hockey, where, as it was stated, he'll get plenty of ice time, and more time to adapt to the style of play? Especially when his future appears cloudy with CSKA. Heck, it's not like he's Russian anyway. I never stated that the AHL was a goon league; the fact remains that it's not a league for 18-year-olds either. I can't see an 18-year-old getting all the ice time he wants in the AHL. Plekanec found that out last season as a 19-year-old, and former two-year veteran of the Czech Elite League. Why should the very player you have so much reservation about suddenly be rushed into something he may not be ready for? Last year he played for about five different teams, and it's shaping up to be one of those seasons again. Medicine Hat will have a strong team this year, and there's reason to believe they'll make some noise in the playoffs. ah, can you plase give it a rest on the "NHL ready" slip?? One misguided quote from a man who, at the end of the day, has absolutely no say in pro player personnel. He has NOTHING to do with who plays and who doesn't; he's is simply in charge of the amateur draft. Don't hold the organization hostage over an excitable reaction from a "head scout" who is trying to justify his top pick. This was his first time overseeing a draft, and I'm pretty sure Mr. Gainey was quick to let him know that you don't spout such hyperbole. I hear ya; but let's keep it in perspective here. 18-year-old European picks rarely crack the NHL, particularly ones with only six games of "elite" league service. A good comparison for AK is Fred Sjostrom, who was picked 11th overall two seasons ago. He came over to play in the WHL, and soon found out that he had a heckuva lot to learn about the North American game. In fact, his first season, he was pretty mediocre on many occasions as he learned how to play on the smaller ice surface. It's safe to say that, if he had tried to play in the AHL two seasons ago, that he'd have been like a deer caught in the headlights. So what would Phoenix been able to do at that point? It's pretty hard to send a European back to the team that hold his junior rights halfway through the season. Bring him over to play junior hockey, learn the language, and meet North American chicks. |
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