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Post by blny on Mar 3, 2014 19:43:30 GMT -5
Interesting stuff Reaper. I'd have to do a lot of scouting report reading to get in depth knowledge of some of these guys. Firsts from the Kings, Ducks, and Pens are going to be late in the round, and given the lack of depth this year any of them willing to make it a 2015 move up the list. Kings: Martinez I know a little. Doesn't really impress me too much. Muzzin is bigger, and shows a little bit of offensive flair. Of the forwards, it's either Toffoli or Pearson for me. Clifford and King are grinders. Nice to have, make us tougher, but when I'm trading a marquee defender I want more than a grinder back. There's potential here to continue talking. Ducks: I like Etem a lot, but he adds to the glut at center. Rakell is another center. Fistric is a big, mean d man who can't sty healthy. He had a cup of coffee with us a few years ago. Vatanen is too small. Unless we can move a center out in the deal, and get more back, the Ducks don't pass the first wave. Avs: No thanks. McGinn is the center piece, and it's not enough for me to even return the call. Pens: I like Despres a lot. He's not going to score, but he gives us another shut down guy to go with Tinordi. Tanner Glass? 4th line grinder? We just got Weise. We're good. Pens have to up the ante. I think the Kings make the best offer, and I'd go with Muzzin on d. Toffoli is a couple of years ahead of Pearson in development. Needs to add mass. Flip coin on him and Pearson I guess. Love the first to be next year. Then, Berg needs to go out and replace Markov with Edler  |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 3, 2014 19:50:55 GMT -5
I'd be jumping at the LA offer. You get a steady defenseman (either of Martinez or Muzzin), an improving young scoring winger (Toffoli), PLUS a first rounder? Somehow that seems to good to be true and you know what that means. Habs facebook Page? I thought Cannabis was still illegal in Canada.
Seriously, it hinges on how high Toffoli's upside is. If Timmins and the pro scouts think he can be a 30 goal scorer, I'd be really interested in that deal. Maybe I'd try for a first rounder in 2015, but that could be greedy.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 3, 2014 20:35:21 GMT -5
What he does bring, that we dont have, is 40-50 points from a second liner ... he would be one point from leading the Habs in scoring. true, but where do you put him? 1st line, take away DD? 2nd line, take away Pleks? you don't want him on the 3rd line . . . heck, I want to see Galchenyuk at centre, it'll never happen if we pick up an more of them. It's not like we haven't put a centre on the wing ..... Briere, Galchenyuk, Eller .... I think Legwand can play the wing, but he isn't the preferred choice |
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2014 21:36:54 GMT -5
true, but where do you put him? 1st line, take away DD? 2nd line, take away Pleks? you don't want him on the 3rd line . . . heck, I want to see Galchenyuk at centre, it'll never happen if we pick up an more of them. It's not like we haven't put a centre on the wing ..... Briere, Galchenyuk, Eller .... I think Legwand can play the wing, but he isn't the preferred choice ya, let's get another guy out of position. Legwand's going nowhere anyway. |
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2014 21:37:43 GMT -5
LA is really the only offer of consequence. of course, I like Toffoli so I'm jaded
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Post by jkr on Mar 3, 2014 21:52:32 GMT -5
Sounds like Pitt is preoccupied with Kesler & their best assets would go towards that deal. Despres & Glass, really? Why did they even bother to call?  |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 4, 2014 7:51:59 GMT -5
I like the offers from both the Kings and Ducks (not that I'm convinced these are actual offers, but I'm cynical that way).
I think it would come down to how they evaluate Vatanen from Anaheim. Right now Muzzin looks like the best defenseman being offered, but if they think Vatanen can develop into a Streit, or even Rafalski type of player then that could swing the balance. I personally think Rakell will be the best forward out of the bunch that are on the table, but that's just me, and both he and Etem can play wing, so I don't think that would be an issue. But Toffoli is already producing, and producing well, at the NHL level. And the Kings pick will be slightly higher than the Ducks pick.
So I guess I would lean towards the LA offer, though I wouldn't sneer at the Ducks'.
I would sneer at Pittsburgh and Colorado though.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 4, 2014 9:08:03 GMT -5
Creasy reporting that Legwand is on the block and Montreal, Detroit and Chicago are interested. We've already got a glut of centers, so I'm not sure how this helps. Don't see him as an improvement over Plekanec (who's our sort of defacto checking center). Creasy now reporting big announcement within the hour coming between Van and Montreal |
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2014 9:20:43 GMT -5
Creasy reporting that Legwand is on the block and Montreal, Detroit and Chicago are interested. We've already got a glut of centers, so I'm not sure how this helps. Don't see him as an improvement over Plekanec (who's our sort of defacto checking center). Creasy now reporting big announcement within the hour coming between Van and Montreal Interesting. I'm thinking it is Edler. Kesler maybe. Some posters on HF were warm to the idea of a Eller for Edler swap. I'd do it. Edler gives us a younger Markov, and bigger. Then we can trade Markov to an upper echelon team looking for a PP upgrade for a nice haul. A scenario where Markov and Eller netted us Edler, Muzzin, Toffoli and a pick would be outstanding return imo. |
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Post by franko on Mar 4, 2014 9:27:49 GMT -5
I would sneer at Pittsburgh and Colorado though. I imagine that Markov would sneer/scowl/scour at going to Colorado. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 4, 2014 9:30:12 GMT -5
Creasy now reporting big announcement within the hour coming between Van and Montreal Interesting. I'm thinking it is Edler. Kesler maybe. Some posters on HF were warm to the idea of a Eller for Edler swap. I'd do it. Edler gives us a younger Markov, and bigger. Then we can trade Markov to an upper echelon team looking for a PP upgrade for a nice haul. A scenario where Markov and Eller netted us Edler, Muzzin, Toffoli and a pick would be outstanding return imo. Is Creasy credible? |
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2014 9:35:06 GMT -5
Interesting. I'm thinking it is Edler. Kesler maybe. Some posters on HF were warm to the idea of a Eller for Edler swap. I'd do it. Edler gives us a younger Markov, and bigger. Then we can trade Markov to an upper echelon team looking for a PP upgrade for a nice haul. A scenario where Markov and Eller netted us Edler, Muzzin, Toffoli and a pick would be outstanding return imo. Is Creasy credible? Yes. He's broken stuff before. Works within the NHL world in an undisclosed capacity. FWIW, Kesler has a NTC/NMC. Not sure whether or not he'd waive it for Montreal. |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 4, 2014 9:46:18 GMT -5
Creasy is saying Eller + Tinordi are being offered up for Edler.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 4, 2014 9:51:05 GMT -5
Creasy @the_Creasy · 1m
**BREAKING NEWS** Habs also making HUGE push for Sabres defenceman Christian Ehrhoff this morning. Zachary Fucale believed to be a piece.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 4, 2014 9:52:29 GMT -5
Creasy is saying Eller + Tinordi are being offered up for Edler. Creasy has to be making this up.....Unless Kesler is involved. Edler has a bad contract. Eller and Tinordi way overpayment. |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 4, 2014 9:57:10 GMT -5
Creasy is saying Eller + Tinordi are being offered up for Edler. Creasy has to be making this up.....Unless Kesler is involved. Edler has a bad contract. Eller and Tinordi way overpayment. No way I want to trade Tinordi....even for Edler. |
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2014 10:00:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't do that Edler deal either. The only way I'd trade Tinordi is if you've got another deal lined up for someone as good or better.
Edler's contract isn't that bad though. As for Ehrhoff, I know most Sabres fans haven't been all that happy with him since they signed him from the Sharks 3 years ago. And Fucale going the other way doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Sabres have a number of goalie prospects.
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2014 10:12:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't do that Edler deal either. The only way I'd trade Tinordi is if you've got another deal lined up for someone as good or better. Edler's contract isn't that bad though. As for Ehrhoff, I know most Sabres fans haven't been all that happy with him since they signed him from the Sharks Canucks 3 years ago. And Fucale going the other way doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Sabres have a number of goalie prospects. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2014 10:17:20 GMT -5
Yes. He's broken stuff before. Works within the NHL world in an undisclosed capacity. FWIW, Kesler has a NTC/NMC. Not sure whether or not he'd waive it for Montreal. I only follow him at deadline time so can't give you a real idea. For instance he retweeted this Incarcerate Bob guy saying Brodeur was going to Minnesota. But Bob Mckenzie tweets that the rumor is Halak to Minnesota. If I had to choose, I'd take McKenzie. I guess we will find out tomorrow afternoon. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2014 10:19:06 GMT -5
Creasy is saying Eller + Tinordi are being offered up for Edler. Creasy has to be making this up.....Unless Kesler is involved. Edler has a bad contract. Eller and Tinordi way overpayment. I thought Kesler wanted out of the spotlight. Can't see him wanting to go to Montreal. |
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2014 10:21:54 GMT -5
Yes. He's broken stuff before. Works within the NHL world in an undisclosed capacity. FWIW, Kesler has a NTC/NMC. Not sure whether or not he'd waive it for Montreal. I only follow him at deadline time so can't give you a real idea. For instance he retweeted this Incarcerate Bob guy saying Brodeur was going to Minnesota. But Bob Mckenzie tweets that the rumor is Halak to Minnesota. If I had to choose, I'd take McKenzie. I guess we will find out tomorrow afternoon. I dare say that guys like Bob, Dreger, etc hear the some same stuff Creasy and the lesser lights do. Whether they suss them out further, or just don't bother regurgitate them till they are absolutely sure, who knows. I'll add that Creasy isn't dropping team names or player names to get hits on a website. In other words, I don't think he has an ulterior motive. |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 4, 2014 10:33:07 GMT -5
Creasy @the_Creasy · 17s
**BREAKING NEWS** Source: Habs have offered a 2 year deal to current captain Brian Gionta. #CONFIRMED
Are they Fning crazy!!!
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 4, 2014 10:39:16 GMT -5
Creasy @the_Creasy · 17s **BREAKING NEWS** Source: Habs have offered a 2 year deal to current captain Brian Gionta. #CONFIRMED Are they Fning crazy!!! Creasy has to be a fake. The hour has passed since he said original Van/Habs trade, still nothing anywhere else. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2014 10:40:05 GMT -5
Creasy @the_Creasy · 17s **BREAKING NEWS** Source: Habs have offered a 2 year deal to current captain Brian Gionta. #CONFIRMED Are they Fning crazy!!! I figured he was gone at the end of teh year one way or the other. Now we get another two years of declining production. If this is true it just adds to the list of poor decisions this mgt. team has made. |
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Post by franko on Mar 4, 2014 10:41:18 GMT -5
Creasy @the_Creasy · 17s **BREAKING NEWS** Source: Habs have offered a 2 year deal to current captain Brian Gionta. #CONFIRMED Are they Fning crazy!!! must be. should offer 5 at least for all he brings . . . nah, forget it. leave is at
Are they Fning crazy!!! MT must want him -- he's a vet and brings so much to the team. those guys in the A just aren't grinders like Gio is. |
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2014 10:56:29 GMT -5
The Fourth Period is reporting that Gionta is unlikely to be dealt and that the club will indeed sit down and discuss extension - albeit at a significant pay cut.
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2014 11:00:12 GMT -5
Dreger reporting that Flyers asking price for Meszaros is 2nd rounder.
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Post by madhabber on Mar 4, 2014 11:23:18 GMT -5
I still don't see us making much of a move by tomorrow if any. In the past, Gainey, Gauthier and Bergevin last year have always made their moves before the deadline (Ryder), and at the deadline itself, nothing or a very minor move (Drewiske). I expect the same this year. We got the "big" move early (Weise). Next comes the minor move. Parros for a 7th or Bouillon for a 6th. If anyone expects more, you will be disappointed. Again.
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Post by habernac on Mar 4, 2014 11:40:25 GMT -5
please, no Gionta.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 4, 2014 12:40:19 GMT -5
FWIW our GM is going to be in Chicago for his Mother in-laws funeral tomorrow.
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