Guman at Parliament Hill

[CentreHice]

Acceptable message.

[Cranky]

Running discussion elsewhere.....

I argue that vast numbers believe in Islam also condone terrorism.

A rebuttal

Sharia Law may not imply terrorism, but it may imply the reverse...

My counter rebuttal......

False.

Mull this over....



Is it only a few "groups" and a few enablers? Does the chart appear minor or insignificant?

Do they have Sharia Law? Believe in an aggressive assertion and/or defense of Islam?

If we extrapolate the figures above by population that support terrorist action on civilian, it numbers in the hundreds of millions.

Do you still contend that Sharia Law "may not imply terrorism but reverses it"?



www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/

[Disgruntled70sHab]

What's your solutions fellas?

Cheers.

[CentreHice]

An integral part of the North American solution is for our leaders to be constantly educated/counselled/informed by experts in the political, radical wing of Islam. To learn from people like Brigitte Gabriel who lived it first-hand. Robert Spencer is another such authority. And to open their eyes and see what's happening in Europe and elsewhere. If our media continues to cower in fear of reprisal, then it's also up to the citizenry to become informed as well.

For this ideology...the goal is clear: One-world caliphate.

And it doesn't take only the violent form. I'm researching the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR, while I still have the freedom to do so.

Again...the extremists don't speak for all Muslims, but they're in the dark, too....and are also the main people oppressed by such regimes, as Rushdie pointed out in the video posted earlier.

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Don't believe it? Then how about coming from a highly influential, radical Muslim leader like Anjem Choudary, whose home is London, England? There are reports that the two radicalized murderers of the past week were in correspondence with him. Should put an end to the "lone wolf" argument. The ideology is the problem…and many buy into it.

In a recent shouting match with Sean Hannity on CNN, Choudary said the following, starting around the 10:00 mark.

You will have no choice, Sean. It's coming to a place near you.

I am saying that the Sharia will be implemented in the whole world one day.

(From Allah) this has been promised by the messenger, Muhammad.

You will be liberated from the shackles of man-made law.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5a60F8AgpI

Basically, replacing the U.S. Constitution's rights and freedoms--which separates church and state--with a misogynistic, homophobic, barbaric, theocratic regime.

Does it serve us well when criticism of such ideas/goals/plans is dismissed as racism/conspiracy/Islamophobia?

[Cranky]

Oct 24, 2014 8:26:06 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

What's your solutions fellas?

Cheers.

Go back a page....a generational war against an aggressive ideology....

Here is what I think....

The West needs to separate and discredit political Islam, which fundamentally is attacking Sharia Law. Give it no quarters in ANY Western country. Even a hint of "religious tolerance" on a political ideology is appeasement. Promote and push it in any peaceful manner possible on those countries who are now under Sharia Law and shun those those countries who wont move forward.

Cries from some quarters that we "let them live their lives as they want" sounds reasonable, but it goes against our fundamental ideology. I do not propose that we invade those who don't conform to our ideology, but neither do we have to recognize or support them. The Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt should have been a Western tragedy and an onslaught of rejection rather then "it's their right to choose". Basically, condemning an entire society to religious intolerance and hate........so we can feed our political correctness disease.

The Western ideology of "co-existing" and "tolerance" has no place on a political ideology built on subjugation. Nor excusing the violence as "radical" or "fundamentalist" action. The implication of those words is that it's the outlier narrative rather then seeing it in it's overall subjugative form.

Divide, deny and demonize political Islam.......just like we did with the political power of religion in our society........and there will be progress and peace.

Classic strategy......

[Willie Dog]

Oct 23, 2014 18:20:56 GMT -5 franko said:

and then there's Glenn Greenwald: It is always stunning when a country that has brought violence and military force to numerous countries acts shocked...when someone brings a tiny fraction of that violence back to that country.

he wrote this after the car attack Monday (and has since updated it)

link to full article:

the national mood and discourse in Canada is virtually identical to what prevails in every Western country whenever an incident like this happens: shock and bewilderment that someone would want to bring violence to such a good and innocent country (“a peaceable Canadian community like Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu”), followed by claims that the incident shows how primitive and savage is the “terrorist ideology” of extremist Muslims, followed by rage and demand for still more actions of militarism and freedom-deprivation. There are two points worth making about this:

First, Canada has spent the last 13 years proclaiming itself a nation at war. It actively participated in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and was an enthusiastic partner in some of the most extremist War on Terror abuses perpetrated by the U.S. . . .

Second, in what conceivable sense can this incident be called a “terrorist” attack? As I have written many times over the last several years, and as some of the best scholarship proves, “terrorism” is a word utterly devoid of objective or consistent meaning. It is little more than a totally malleable, propagandistic fear-mongering term used by Western governments (and non-Western ones) to justify whatever actions they undertake. . . .

Historically, the rhetoric of terror has been used by those in power not only to sway public opinion, but to direct attention away from their own acts of terror. . . .

in essence, while our involvement in the middle east does not justify the attack Monday (and perhaps Wednesday), it caused it.

Good points Franko, and also the rhetoric coming from our government regarding the middle east, IMO, has drawn attention to us like never before. I am very concerned that that sort of language has put and will put canadians at risk whether they are at home or abroad.

[Willie Dog]

I believe what is called political islam has come about because of the unyielding support the west has shown to some of the worst dictators and monarchies that have ever existed. The Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Anwar Sadat, Hosni Mubarak, Ali Saleh, the Saudi, Kuwaiti and Jordanian monarchies (to name a few). When you have nothing, you turn to something that you think will help you. These extremist groups draw in the hopeless and the wacko because it is the hopeless and the wackos that strap bombs to their bodies or do things that they know will result in their death.

[Willie Dog]

Oct 24, 2014 11:09:36 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

An integral part of the North American solution is for our leaders to be constantly educated/counselled/informed by experts in the political, radical wing of Islam. To learn from people like Brigitte Gabriel who lived it first-hand. Robert Spencer is another such authority. And to open their eyes and see what's happening in Europe and elsewhere. If our media continues to cower in fear of reprisal, then it's also up to the citizenry to become informed as well.

For this ideology...the goal is clear: One-world caliphate.

And it doesn't take only the violent form. I'm researching the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR, while I still have the freedom to do so.

Again...the extremists don't speak for all Muslims, but they're in the dark, too....and are also the main people oppressed by such regimes, as Rushdie pointed out in the video posted earlier.

============================================================================

Don't believe it? Then how about coming from a highly influential, radical Muslim leader like Anjem Choudary, whose home is London, England? There are reports that the two radicalized murderers of the past week were in correspondence with him. Should put an end to the "lone wolf" argument. The ideology is the problem…and many buy into it.

In a recent shouting match with Sean Hannity on CNN, Choudary said the following, starting around the 10:00 mark.

You will have no choice, Sean. It's coming to a place near you.

I am saying that the Sharia will be implemented in the whole world one day.

(From Allah) this has been promised by the messenger, Muhammad.

You will be liberated from the shackles of man-made law.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5a60F8AgpI

Basically, replacing the U.S. Constitution's rights and freedoms--which separates church and state--with a misogynistic, homophobic, barbaric, theocratic regime.

Does it serve us well when criticism of such ideas/goals/plans is dismissed as racism/conspiracy/Islamophobia?

Brigette Gabriel learned it first hand because of the terrible things that happened during lebanese civil war.

Below is an except from her wikipedia page

Brigitte Gabriel was born in the Marjeyoun District of Lebanon to a Maronite Christian couple, a first and only child after over twenty years of marriage.[10] She recalls that during the Lebanese Civil War, Islamic militants launched an assault on a Lebanese military base near her family's house and destroyed her home. Gabriel, who was ten years old at the time, was injured by shrapnel in the attack.[1][11] She says that she and her parents were forced to live underground in all that remained, an 8-by-10-foot (2.4 by 3.0 m) bomb shelter for seven years, with only a small kerosene heater, no sanitary systems, no electricity or running water, and little food.[12] She says she had to crawl in a roadside ditch to a spring for water to evade Muslim snipers.

According to Gabriel, at one point in the spring of 1978, a bomb explosion caused her and her parents to become trapped in the shelter for two days. They were eventually rescued by three Christian militia fighters, one of whom befriended Gabriel but was later killed by a land mine.

Gabriel wrote that in 1978 a stranger warned her family of an impending attack by the Islamic militias on all Christians. She says that her life was saved when the Israeli army invaded Lebanon in Operation Litani. Later, when her mother was seriously injured and taken to an Israeli hospital, Gabriel was surprised by the humanity shown by the Israelis, in contrast to the constant propaganda against the Jews she saw as a child. She says of the experience:

"I was amazed that the Israelis were providing medical treatment to Palestinian and Muslim gunmen...These Palestinians and Muslims were sworn, mortal enemies, dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of Jews. Yet, Israeli doctors and nurses worked feverishly to save their lives. Each patient was treated solely according to the nature of his or her injury. The doctor treated my mother before he treated an Israeli soldier lying next to her because her injury was more severe than his. The Israelis did not see religion, political affiliation, or nationality. They saw only people in need, and they helped."

Opinion editor Michael Young of NOW Lebanon and Franklin Lamb of Al-Ahram Weekly claimed that Gabriel over-simplifies the conflict in South Lebanon as a Muslim war against the Christians. Lamb alleged that she lived relatively normally during the Lebanese Civil War; Young, by contrast, described Gabriel's account of her experiences as "overdone" and described her persona and campaign as a "con act.

Publisher weekly review of Gabriel's book Because they hate

With strident confidence, American Congress for Truth founder Gabriel rebukes the American public for being "weak, asleep or careless" in the face of Muslim terrorism. A Christian survivor of the vicious civil war between Lebanese Christians and Muslims in the 1970s, Gabriel leans on her own terrifying experiences to condemn Muslims, without apparent regard for their ethnicity, ideology or historical role. Consistently using the words "Muslim" and "Arab" as if they were interchangeable, she concludes that the U.S. is "facing total destruction" at the hands of people who are uncultured and cruel, and prescribes such solutions as "profile, profile and profile," and banning "hate education" in Islamic institutions. Though her writing is eloquent and her passion tremendous, Gabriel's strict dichotomy between "evil versus goodness" is too extreme to be informative. Readers will be forced to decide whether or not to accept her heart-felt bias.

But in the lebanese civil war, both sides, Christian and Muslim, committed acts of atrocity that should have never happened.

The Shatila and Sabra massacres were in response to the Damour massacre which itself was in response to the Karatina massacre. Thousands of people killed... 

[Cranky]

Oct 24, 2014 13:26:29 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

I believe what is called political islam has come about because of the unyielding support the west has shown to some of the worst dictators and monarchies that have ever existed. The Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Anwar Sadat, Hosni Mubarak, Ali Saleh, the Saudi, Kuwaiti and Jordanian monarchies (to name a few). When you have nothing, you turn to something that you think will help you. These extremist groups draw in the hopeless and the wacko because it is the hopeless and the wackos that strap bombs to their bodies or do things that they know will result in their death.

Political Islam....is short for Islam as a way of life and not simply as a faith......has been the foundation of Islam. It's been with it from the start. There is a 700 year history of violence in it's name.

About 400 hundred years ago, political Christianity started to lose it's grip on the West, faster and faster in the and in the last few hundred years, where by the turn of the last century, it was firmly planted as faith and not as a political force. Separation of church and state is now part of our firmly planted Western ideology.

There is no such separation of mosque and state in Islam. From direct leadership by Mullahs in Iran and other states to control of daily life in dozens of countries, there is no separation of how those people see the world other then from the guidance and teaching of the mosque.

To claim that now, we somehow ignited their hatred of the West is a false narrative. The very core of Islam ideology is in expansion and subjugation. That core ideology has run ins with every non Muslim civilization around the world...and through out time. From Europe to China to India to the Subcontinent. War and aggression are at it's core for expansion. Subjugation to it's politics paramount.

Last but not least....

Take a close look at the Pew chart. An even closer look at the question. Ask yourself....would anyone seriously ask Western society if they support terrorism against civilians to protect Christianity?

Why is that?

[Cranky]

Oct 23, 2014 18:20:56 GMT -5 franko said:

and then there's Glenn Greenwald: It is always stunning when a country that has brought violence and military force to numerous countries acts shocked...when someone brings a tiny fraction of that violence back to that country.

he wrote this after the car attack Monday (and has since updated it)

link to full article:

the national mood and discourse in Canada is virtually identical to what prevails in every Western country whenever an incident like this happens: shock and bewilderment that someone would want to bring violence to such a good and innocent country (“a peaceable Canadian community like Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu”), followed by claims that the incident shows how primitive and savage is the “terrorist ideology” of extremist Muslims, followed by rage and demand for still more actions of militarism and freedom-deprivation. There are two points worth making about this:

First, Canada has spent the last 13 years proclaiming itself a nation at war. It actively participated in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and was an enthusiastic partner in some of the most extremist War on Terror abuses perpetrated by the U.S. . . .

Second, in what conceivable sense can this incident be called a “terrorist” attack? As I have written many times over the last several years, and as some of the best scholarship proves, “terrorism” is a word utterly devoid of objective or consistent meaning. It is little more than a totally malleable, propagandistic fear-mongering term used by Western governments (and non-Western ones) to justify whatever actions they undertake. . . .

Historically, the rhetoric of terror has been used by those in power not only to sway public opinion, but to direct attention away from their own acts of terror. . . .

in essence, while our involvement in the middle east does not justify the attack Monday (and perhaps Wednesday), it caused it.

If we keep quiet and and hide in the corner...........they will love us.

This is EXACTLY the conversation ISIS and their kind of murderous scum want us to have. for NO other reason then we have the means to stop them. Let's make this clear. There is no other reason they want us to leave them alone other then the fact that we have the military means to stop them.

So we stop and withdraw.....and they continue to murder, rape, pillage, destroy.....and then....WHAT?

Leave them be and terrorize their end of the world until they are done. And then World Peace?

Can someone please explain to me how a group who follows an ideology of conquer and subjugate will become a peaceful neighbor when he has the means to come to our back yard?

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Major props to the Ottawa Citizen for asking the question that needs to be addressed ... The Great Canadian Debate: Muslim immigration a threat to Canada – yea or nay ... a cut and paste from an author/professor/journalist I admire very much, Salim Mansur ... this was his rebuttal to Doug Saunders, author of The Myth of the Muslim Tide:

Here’s his penultimate statement:

Canada is rapidly changing culturally in ways our political elite, media elite and academic elite do not want to discuss. But the fact that this is not discussed, or driven under the carpet, does not mean the public is not keenly aware of how much the country has changed in great measure in a relatively short period, and if this pattern continues for another few decades there is the likelihood that Canada will have changed irrevocably, and not necessarily for the better in terms of its political tradition as a liberal democracy …

The flow of immigration into Canada from around the world, and in particular the flow from Muslim countries, means a pouring in of numbers into a liberal society of people from cultures at best non-liberal. But we know through our studies and observations that the illiberal mix of cultures poses one of the greatest dilemmas and an unprecedented challenge to liberal societies, such as ours, when there is no demand placed on immigrants any longer to assimilate into the founding liberal values of the country to which they have immigrated to and, instead, by a misguided and thoroughly wrong-headed policy of multiculturalism encourage the opposite.

Guys, to be honest, I was quite relieved to have read this article from the Ottawa Citizen ... freedom of the press, freedom of speech ...

Cheers.

[CentreHice]

Russell Brand's 15-minute take on the two incidents is trending big time…and many people think it's bang on. He's coming from the left…so since I don't agree with that view on this issue, I lasted about halfway through the clip.

He's a very intelligent man, and a marvellous speaker….but I just couldn't see reason for flippancy and mockery.

What he seemed to not grasp is that the two people murdered were Canadian uniformed soldiers in Canada. They were targeted for a reason. The killers were, of course, deluded…..but they got that message from somewhere….mentor, literature, Skype, chat group.

Anjem Choudary has been linked to them as an influence. Rouleau, the Quebec assailant, was following Choudary on Twiiter…and his account shows a message from Choudary saying that he hoped Rouleau would go to heaven.

Of course, Choudary denies it….but warns that Britain will likely see similar attacks because of what's happening with air strikes right now. One of the assailants who killed Lee Rigby on a Woolwich street last year, had also attended protests organized by Choudary.

That points to influence/instruction from a leader, no? And can the message from a man who wants to impose Sharia upon the whole world be one rooted in human well-being?

[CentreHice]

From 2007. Christopher Hitchens responds to an audience member's comment that the actions of militant Islam are responses to the oppression and imperialism of the west.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

According to Obama it's all workplace violence.
It isn't just extremists.
It's not a coincidence that all 9/11 perpetrators were Muslims.
Many peaceful Muslims accept violence as justified to defend Mohammuds name.
Jihad is real.
We have to stop them now, before they strike, before they get the BOMB, chemical and biological weapons.
Dropping million dollar bombs to take out a jeep with a machine gun is just stupid.
We need to put boots on the ground, not to send our youth to get shot at as targets, not to help our phony good friends in Iraq, but to wipe out the threat to our homeland.
If some innocent civilians are killed, that's the cost Iraq has to bear to keep it safe for our young soldiers.
This is NOT workplace violence!

[Disgruntled70sHab]

This is what I expect from Canadians ... way to go Cold Lake Alberta ...

Cheers.

[CentreHice]

That's a great example, Dis.

BUT….I don't think the blogger, or any of us, should dismiss the actions of Zehaf-Bibeau as "one insane a__hole". It's the "lone wolf" argument I do not agree with. Choudary has already said that Britain will likely see similar attacks…they saw one last year when Lee Rigby was slain in the street.

The idea to target soldiers is a definite part of the rhetoric.

I'd prefer to say the Muslim population isn't to blame for the extremist ideology of some of their leaders/followers.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

I'm really hoping I'll have to move this to a different thread after ... there's been a multiple stabbing at Canada's Wonderland ... one man is already dead ...

Peace ...

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Oct 26, 2014 10:04:15 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

I'd prefer to say the Muslim population isn't to blame for the extremist ideology of some of their leaders/followers.

From what I've been reading, lots of Canadians feel the same way as you do ... the Cold Lake incident was just one example of how many want to live ... I've seen the polar opposite on social media ... there's a lot of fear out there and some people are willing to believe anything now ... I can't blame anyone for their reactions, though ... to each their own ... besides, saying ISIS is representative of Islam, is like saying the KKK is representative of Christianity ...

Cheers.

[CentreHice]

The KKK is a good comparison, irrationality-wise.

But "Christian, white race supremacy" isn't found in the New Testament, unless I'm mistaken (I'll search for that info.). There is, however, a long history of Jewish/Muslim persecution preached and carried out by mainstream Christianity…e.g. Inquisitions and Crusades. That's another topic…albeit historically-relative. If anything, such preachments are inferred rather than spelled out in scripture. Unless the call to preach the gospel throughout the world was used as the basis.

I think the KKK is more akin to Nazi-ism….with which it shares many ideals. If it's religious at all, it's a complete aberration, while the call to jihad and martyrdom for the cause of a worldwide caliphate IS found in the holy books.


Is it really a surprise that such things would happen when different groups of people believe that a god, or gods, created/selected them as favourites…and gave them license to hew their way to promised earthly land and power?

[Cranky]

The question is pretty simple. Is the politics of religion incidental or is it the cause?

I don't think one can say that Christian KKK hunting down Christian blacks is about religion. Sure, there are crosses present, but the KKK was not about converting them to a lifestyle or politics, just simply killing blacks to satisfy their race hate.

ISIS is also killing Muslims, but they do it when they think other Muslims are not sufficiently religious. On the other hand, if they are anything but Muslims, death, torture and rape.

[Cranky]

A while back, I was on a elevator a few steps behind this well dressed woman and her daughter. kids being kids, she was throwing a Level 1 tantrum. The woman turns to her and says.......I'm going to trade you for a set of Prada. I cracked up. The way she looked, the way she said it and the very idea was hilarious.

But.....

'I've been raped 30 times and it's not even lunchtime': Desperate plight of Yazidi woman who begged West to bomb her brothel after ISIS militants sold her into sex slavery

A young Yazidi woman forced into sex slavery by the Islamic State begged the West to bomb the brothel where she was being held after militants raped her 30 times in just a few hours, it is claimed.

The unidentified woman is understood to have been kept as a prisoner of the jihadists somewhere in western Iraq having been captured by ISIS during the Sinjar massacre in early August.

A group raising awareness of ISIS' persecution of women in the vast swathes of the Middle East under its control said the woman had contacted Kurdish peshmerga fighters by telephone to plead for the brothel to be bombed to put the women held as sex slaves out of their misery.

She allegedly told the fighters she had been raped so frequently that she could no longer use the toilet, adding that the ordeal has been so harrowing that she plans to commit suicide even if freed.

More.....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801353/i-ve-raped-30-times-s-not-lunchtime-desperate-plight-yazidi-woman-begged-west-bomb-brothel-isis-militants-sold-sex-slavery.html

Right now, we are focused inward on what happened to two of our people.....but let's not forget what is happening to hundreds of thousands.....and why I think we need to fight the good fight.

[Cranky]

Oct 26, 2014 11:40:55 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

... I've seen the polar opposite on social media ... there's a lot of fear out there and some people are willing to believe anything now ...

Cheers.

WE, the much maligned "privileged white males" have to fight this. Not only on principle but on t he fact that we MUST walk the walk. We can't expect moderate Muslims to stand up to whackos who speak in their names and then look away when white whackos spray their hate.

I'm am saying this here and now, I pledge to grab the van, fill it with cleaning and paint supplies........and clean the nearest mosque that it happens too.

[CentreHice]

Oct 26, 2014 14:50:01 GMT -5 Cranky said:

The question is pretty simple. Is the politics of religion incidental or is it the cause?

The revelation that a certain group has been chosen by the boss as favourites would be benign enough...it's the divine orders to chop, rape, and subjugate your way to promised lands and earthly rule which makes a religion political from the outset. Theocracy isn't incidental....it's inherent.

Some sects have backed-off from this anti-humanistic principle. Others have not.

To me, it's that simple.

And I will join you in your van.

[Cranky]

Oct 26, 2014 15:23:56 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

And I will join you in your van.

Bring lots of coffee! I'm an addict!

MUST stand up for what we believe or we are full of internet sh!t and bravado.....

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Oct 26, 2014 12:55:00 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

The KKK is a good comparison, irrationality-wise.

But "Christian, white race supremacy" isn't found in the New Testament, unless I'm mistaken (I'll search for that info.). There is, however, a long history of Jewish/Muslim persecution preached and carried out by mainstream Christianity…e.g. Inquisitions and Crusades. That's another topic…albeit historically-relative. If anything, such preachments are inferred rather than spelled out in scripture. Unless the call to preach the gospel throughout the world was used as the basis.

I think the KKK is more akin to Nazi-ism….with which it shares many ideals. If it's religious at all, it's a complete aberration, while the call to jihad and martyrdom for the cause of a worldwide caliphate IS found in the holy books.


Is it really a surprise that such things would happen when different groups of people believe that a god, or gods, created/selected them as favourites…and gave them license to hew their way to promised earthly land and power?

I think they're one in the same in that they're both dysfunctional organizations founded on racism and bigotry ... I'm willing to bet that the sacks of skin who comprise these organizations could care less about religion ... it's more about control and power than it is about anything else ... I'm working on the base again and I've had a chance to talk to a lot of military personnel ... they know they're now targets but they'refusing to make changes to their personal lives, social media, etc ... we thought they'd have ID checks at the gates, maybe a quick-reaction force on standby, but there's been no changes ... we've been briefed that, if it's necessary, the base will increase security ... that said, though, I have fears about what's happening ... it's for the future ... I'm not so sure we're always going to have the leadership in place to properly deal with multicultural issues as they come up ... I really believe we're going to need that leadership so as to uphold one book of laws for our society ... we need only look at state of several countries in Europe to know the implications of not doing this ... short story (sorry, man, it's who I am) ... in 1995 there was a dinner for former Liberal MPs and Pierre Trudeau ... each MP was allowed to ask Trudeau one question ... on the topic of multiculturalism, John Bryden asked Trudeau "... is this the outcome you wanted? ... "The room reportedly went silent ... then Trudeau spoke. “No, this is not what I wanted.” "... it's a small core who are simply ruining it for everyone and they have to be dealt with properly ...

Cheers.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

This is one of the more toned-down clips I've seen Ezra Levant in ... please see "Blind to the Truth" ... try to watch the video all the way through if you can ... he sounds a bit like Pat Condell ...

Cheers.

[Cranky]

"Remember remember, the day in november, the gunpowder treason and plot, I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot"

[franko]

Oct 26, 2014 12:55:00 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

But "Christian, white race supremacy" isn't found in the New Testament, unless I'm mistaken (I'll search for that info.).

might I suggest "no" . . . and in fact the opposite? (funny thing: Jesus was neither Christian nor white: He was an ilive-skinned Jew -- conveniently forgotten by too many).

There is, however, a long history of Jewish/Muslim persecution preached and carried out by mainstream Christianity…e.g. Inquisitions and Crusades.

might I suggest "preached and carried out by some in mainstream Christianity who used Jerusalem as a convenient excuse to try to line their pockets? (I don't doubt that some/many were taken in by the rhetoric of "redeeming the Holy City/Land", but it was about lands and money, with religion as an excuse, I am embarrassed to admit).

Is it really a surprise that such things would happen when different groups of people believe that a god, or gods, created/selected them as favourites…and gave them license to hew their way to promised earthly land and power?

or is it really a surprise that such things would happen when different groups of people justify what they want to see happen by saying that a god, or gods, created/selected them as favourites?

kind of an aside: I'm reading Jim Davies' Riveted: an interesting book on the psychology of art and religion. so far through it he has said nothing I haven't heard before as to why people get sucked into religion, but I do like his thoughts on "confirmation bias" -- it may even explain the Leaf fan's hope!

[CentreHice]

Mulcair: Gunman a Criminal--Not a Terrorist


Well, he's staying true to NDP lines….a classic illustration of Rushdie's comment in the video posted earlier here.

The RCMP, the PCs, and the Libs have it pegged correctly, IMO. Yes, the shooter may have been looking for anything to give meaning to his life. He may have been troubled.

One thing is very clear: He found something that exists which spoke to him….he didn't make it up.

The RCMP called the ideology a "distorted world view"….yep, that sums up the mind virus called "political, militant Islam", or any ideology bent on world rule and subjugation.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Sounds like it would make for a good Classic Comic book, "Sergeant-at-arms No.1" (15 cents) ...