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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 8, 2015 19:42:33 GMT -5
They don't represent all Muslims, that's certain. But the tenets are found in the teachings. Much like the divine warrant for witch-burning is found in the Old Testament. When the fundies have the power, the mods have no choice but to follow Sharia. Well, they have a choice, but to rebel isn't good for their health. Check this out when you have the time, CH .. this article is from The New York Times ... how's this for support ... wow ...  Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 8, 2015 20:52:58 GMT -5
At the core of the piece, I fully agree….one cannot paint the entire Muslim population with the same ideological brush. The peaceful among them would no doubt wish to see an end to the fundamentalist ideology bent on worldwide Sharia, too.
We can hope that Islam will eventually go through a reformation in that respect….steered by the strength of the moderates. Angers me so much that people lose their lives over this nonsense.
There's a new documentary called, "Honor Diaries"….Muslim women discussing the plight of females under strict rule, among other things. I'd like to see it.
Here's the trailer….
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Post by Cranky on Jan 9, 2015 1:55:45 GMT -5
For once, let's stop the bs. Let's start by banning the burqa.
Let's stop the bs about burqa. It's roots was to cover up property, that is woman from menstruation onwards, kept under cover as they were passed along from father to husband. In public, the obedient property in a cloth bag was to walk behind man and keep quiet, like any good, well behaved domesticated animal.
There is NO religious requirment by the Quran so any "defense" of the barbarous custom on religious ground is total bs. It's simply an obedience and submissive custom for the total subjugation of "inferior" woman. It has absolutely no place in our society.
What pisses me off even more are Westerners who twist the foundation of our social values in a conceited pseudo intellectual argument about freedom of choice. These same people would howl themselves into madness if a woman was wearing a dog collar, on a leash, 5 feet behind a man but prattle hollow morals of "tolerance" when they see the very same thing in a burqa.
Burqa is a dog collar. PERIOD.
Time to stop gender subjugation and intolerance....by not tolerating it.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 9, 2015 8:00:37 GMT -5
The treatment of women (burqa included) no doubt got a tremendous boost/endorsement in the writings of Muhammad Al-Ghazali…an 11th century Islamic theologian…who was basing his opinions on what is found in the Qur'an and Hadith. The man who perhaps epitomises traditional Islāmic conceptions of women more than any other is the Mediæval Persian-Muslim theologian, jurist, philosopher and mystic Muḥammad al-Ghazālī (1058-1111 CE), often acclaimed by Islāmologists and Muslim scholars alike to be the most influential Muslim in history following the Prophet himself: Al-Ghazālī successfully unified Islāmic mysticism with orthodox Sunnī theology and can be said to have permanently crippled the ascendancy of Hellenic philosophy in the early-modern Middle East.[1] In a polemic against women, Al-Ghazālī wrote the following:
Without going into lengthy details, a summary of what constitutes etiquette for the woman is the following: She should remain in the inner sanctum of her house and tend to her spinning; she should not enter and exit excessively; she should speak infrequently with her neighbours and visit them only when the situation requires it; she should safeguard her husband in his absence and in his presence; she should seek his pleasure in all affairs and refrain from betraying him through herself or his possessions; she should not leave his home without his permission: if she goes out with his permission, she should conceal herself in worn-out clothes and choose the less-frequented places rather than the main avenues and market places, being careful that no stranger hear her voice or recognize her personally; she should not approach friends of her husband while going about her business, but feign ignorance of those who might recognize her or whom she might recognize; her primary concern should be caring for her own affairs, tending to her house, performing her prayers, and fasting; should a friend of her husband knock at the door when he [the husband] is not present, she should not ask questions or engage in conversation, so as to maintain her self-respect and her husband’s; she should be content with the means that God has provided her husband; she should place his rights before hers and before the rights of his relatives; she should always observe the rules of personal hygiene, and be ready at all times for him to enjoy her whenever he wishes; she should be affectionate toward her children, zealous to protect them, refraining from uttering profane words against them and from talking back to her husband.[2]
There exists a plethora of controversial statements made by Al-Ghazālī regarding women, ranging from his description of marriage as slavery for women[3] to his endorsement of the Qurʾānic injunction to beat disobedient wives[4] and his list of inherent female defects compiled from Islāmic Tradition.[5] In most of his work, Al-Ghazālī was merely reiterating and complimenting the Qurʾān and the recorded sayings and actions of Muḥammad. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 9, 2015 8:31:02 GMT -5
Well, I'm starting to formulate a bigger picture here ... the two suspects were in Yemen for several months for religious studies, which leads me to believe they are fully representative of radical Islam ... haven't talked to our Muslim friends here in town but I don't think I'll be bringing it up ... they're probably going through a lot as it is now ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Jan 9, 2015 9:21:09 GMT -5
What pisses me off even more are Westerners who twist the foundation of our social values in a conceited pseudo intellectual argument about freedom of choice. These same people would howl themselves into madness if a woman was wearing a dog collar, on a leash, 5 feet behind a man but prattle hollow morals of "tolerance" when they see the very same thing in a burqa. Burqa is a dog collar. PERIOD. it would be an interesting study to see the reactions of people to someone actually doing this as a social experiment. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 9, 2015 12:19:47 GMT -5
An appropriate response sent in France today ... for our friends in France ...
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Post by Cranky on Jan 9, 2015 14:53:28 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Jan 9, 2015 15:00:30 GMT -5
The mission extension for ISIS is coming up, let's see if the Trudeau will put down the comb and support it, or will he flash us his pseudo intellectual load of baby brown stuff about "root causes".
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 9, 2015 15:33:23 GMT -5
Absolute barbarism. You can't even begin to reason with people who believe and act in such ways. And they most likely think the same about sane people. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 9, 2015 16:54:08 GMT -5
The French police actions reminded me of the GIGN action on Air France 8969 ... I don't know what the orders were for the French police, but I remember hearing on the news that the commandos that stormed the aircraft were under orders not to allow any survivors ... this was the message sent by the French in both circumstances ...
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 9, 2015 21:47:09 GMT -5
Speaking of Boko Haram….remember those 276 girls they kidnapped last April 15th. 219 are still missing and reportedly married off. This update made on Nov. 1, 2014.Not the full article. ================================================================ With a malevolent laugh, the leader of Nigeria's Islamic extremists tells the world that more than 200 kidnapped schoolgirls have all been converted to Islam and married off, dashing hopes for their freedom.
"If you knew the state your daughters are in today, it might lead some of you ... to die from grief," Abubakar Shekau sneers, addressing the parents of the girls and young women kidnapped from a remote boarding school more than six months ago.
But Shekau denies in the video that he has agreed to any truce and says he is dedicated to fighting and dying a martyr's death to guarantee him a place in paradise.
"You people should understand that we only obey Allah, we tread the path of the Prophet. We hope to die on this path ... Our goal is the garden of eternal bliss," he says.
He said Boko Haram is interested only in "battle, hitting, striking and killing with the gun, which we look forward to like a tasty meal," he said.
The fighting and abductions have continued, with Boko Haram seizing the commercial center of Mubi this week and fighting raging Friday around nearby Vimtin, the village where Badeh was born.
And the only news of the girls has come from Shekau, who appeared to dash hopes that they would be released in an exchange for detained Boko Haram fighters.
"The issue of the girls is long forgotten because I have long ago married them off," Shekau says with a chortle. The extremist fighters have ordered girls to stay out of Western-style schools and get married. Boko Haram is a nickname meaning "Western education is sinful" in the Hausa language.
An earlier video in May showed some of the kidnapped girls, including two explaining why they had converted to Islam. Unconfirmed reports have indicated the girls have been divided into groups and that some have been carried across borders, into Cameroon and Chad. There also have been reports that they were forced to marry fighters who paid a nominal bride price equivalent to $12.
Some 276 girls and young women were kidnapped in the early hours of April 15 from a boarding school in the remote town of Chibok. Dozens escaped on their own in the first couple of days but 219 remain missing.
The plight of the girls attracted international outrage, with demands that Boko Haram free them. The Nigerian government and military's failure to secure their release has brought criticism that President Goodluck Jonathan is uncaring of their fate.
Shekau in August announced that Boko Haram wanted to establish an Islamic caliphate, along the lines of the IS group in Syria and Iraq. Fleeing residents have reported that hundreds of people are being detained for infractions of the extremists' version of strict Shariah law in several towns and villages under their control.=============================================================== Facts on Boko Haram from CNN's website. Add today's gruesome massacre to the timeline. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 10, 2015 3:48:44 GMT -5
Brilliant article. I wish I wa the one who wrote it. -''''''''''' It is difficult not to be intemperate in the face of nine murdered journalists, two murdered policemen and a janitor, lying in pools of blood in Paris, the City of Lights: the cold, calculated killing spree a response to journalism that was displeasing. The magazine Charlie Hebdo was firebombed in 2011. Though it regularly heaved dung across and beyond the political spectrum and satirized many religious figures and religions including the Pope, Jews, Christians et al, it was Charlie’s caricatures of Islam that brought on the bombs and murders. Not surprising, in our time when virtually all terrorism of the last few decades—whether in Russia, China, Germany, the killing fields of Syria and the Middle East, New York or Boston—has been carried out in the name of Islam. There is really no point in fatuities about Islam being just as tolerant as all other religions, which was uttered endlessly by commentators covering the Paris horror. The public face of Islam has been hijacked by Islamist fundamentalists with a zero-tolerance policy. Though I really wish we had more than the occasional imam declaring this act to be barbaric, I can understand why Western Muslims—the majority of whom I expect and hope despise this carnage—aren’t taking to the streets to decry what is being done in the name of their faith. When hundreds of girls are kidnapped, enslaved or murdered in Pakistan or Nigeria for attending school (when even in Canada a Muslim women may run a risk of being killed for not upholding the family honour in a forced marriage), when Canadian-born youths are training as jihadists or fighting in Syria, fear takes over. Why endanger your own family or relatives abroad? “Senseless killings,” said NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair in condemning the latest violence. Not senseless at all. Terror works. You can see how Islamic terrorism has gripped a culture when even those who may be mentally ill, possibly like Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the lone Parliament Hill gunman, seem to carry out their deranged acts in the name of Islam. They don’t kill in the name of vegetarianism or Napoleon. Their targets aren’t electricians or acrobats but the people symbolic of Western values—those standing guard over its memorials or working in its parliament. www.macleans.ca/news/world/amiel-column-on-charlie-hebdo/ |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 10, 2015 10:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 10, 2015 13:43:53 GMT -5
Barbara Amiel's article is right on….IMO.
And Conan is taking a logical, practical first step for a mainstream comic/host. He didn't name the ideology….but at least he said, "It's not the way it's supposed to be…."
He also said, "We take it for granted in this country…." (i.e. that the freedom of expression/speech includes ridicule, criticism, and satire and that it's a protected right in a free society). As Joni Mitchell wrote: Don't it always seem to go….that you don't know what you've got til it's gone...
It wasn't a 5-alarm wake-up call to his audience….just a nudge to make sure they're not comatose to the fact that (as Amiel puts it) by tolerating the intolerant, we're in the process of "hemorrhaging freedom".
We need more nudges...
Comic/host Bill Maher, on the other hand….his gloves have been off and he's been ringing the alarm bell for quite some time. Then again….he's on HBO.
Has he shown the cartoons? If he hasn't, he'll come right out and say why he hasn't.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 10, 2015 13:49:16 GMT -5
Barbara Amiel's article is right on….IMO. And Conan is taking a logical, practical first step for a mainstream comic/host. He didn't name the ideology….but at least he said, "It's not the way it's supposed to be…." He also said, "We take it for granted in this country…." (i.e. that the freedom of expression/speech includes ridicule, criticism, and satire and that it's a protected right in a free society). As Joni Mitchell wrote: Don't it always seem to go….that you don't know what you've got til it's gone...It wasn't a 5-alarm wake-up call to his audience….just a nudge to make sure they're not comatose to the fact that, as Amiel puts it, we're in the process of "hemorrhaging freedom". We need more nudges... Bill Maher, on the other hand….his gloves have been off for quite some time. Then again….he's on HBO…. I don't watch him regularly but I've watched him enough to know that he wasn't to rights when he addressed the audience ... he actually looked a bit hurt by the whole ordeal ... Maher? ... he doesn't give a flyin' frig what people think of him or what he says ... I don't always agree with his viewpoints but I do like watching his show because he speaks his mind ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 29, 2015 22:21:17 GMT -5
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