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Post by Cranky on Oct 29, 2014 19:18:20 GMT -5
Mulcair: Gunman a Criminal--Not a TerroristWell, he's staying true to NDP lines….a classic illustration of Rushdie's comment in the video posted earlier here. The RCMP, the PCs, and the Libs have it pegged correctly, IMO. Yes, the shooter may have been looking for anything to give meaning to his life. He may have been troubled. One thing is very clear: He found something that exists which spoke to him….he didn't make it up. The RCMP called the ideology a "distorted world view"….yep, that sums up the mind virus called "political, militant Islam". Mulcair is absolutely right. Picking our memorial to our fallen soldiers and killing an unarmed soldier was simply clearing his way to run into Parliament cafeteria and stealing those delicious chocolate cookies. It's really sad that we wont hear about his fanatical chocolate addiction.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2014 12:16:05 GMT -5
Without really knowing the guy I'd say he was a loner whack-job looking for a justification ... I went to his FB page (don't care if I'm on the CSIS list now) and I thought he was a fraud ... just the same, one thing this scenario exposed is how lax we are at protecting government buildings and, in this case, parliament ... had this guy been a trained terrorist I dare say there might have been a lot more carnage that day ... having said that, the gates at CFB Kingston and the Royal Military College (RMC) have been checking IDs 24/7 since the beginning of last week ... I don't know how long that will last, but I'd much rather have that than nothing at all ... parliament won't be the same as far as security goes ... that's not necessarily a bad thing ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2014 8:40:11 GMT -5
How an ideology can twist and infect the mind. link
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 11, 2014 8:58:42 GMT -5
Mentioned the lack of security earlier ... I guess there will be a unified security force will be patrolling Parliament Hill ... about time ... 'Unified security force' to patrol Parliament Hill following Ottawa shooting House of Commons Speaker calls change a 'crucial step'
CBC NewsPosted: Nov 25, 2014 5:38 PM ET|Last Updated: Nov 25, 2014 5:38 PM ETHouse of Commons and Senate security officers will soon be patrolling the parliamentary precinct under point of command. The new security structure was announced Tuesday, more than a month after an armed Michael Zehaf-Bibeau gained access to Parliament Hill's Centre Block after shooting and killing Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the nearby National War Memorial then hijacking a ministerial car. ============================================================================= The JTF2 Commander also weighed in saying the attack on Parliament exposed systematic security gaps in parliamentary security ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 11, 2014 9:22:27 GMT -5
How an ideology can twist and infect the mind. linkThe Catholics pushed me away from organized religion long before radical Islam started vying for international attention ... the Christians have their crosses to bear as well ... the primitive Baptist theology practiced by the Westboro Baptist Church is another example of twisting minds ... I believe in God, but I refuse to any kind of buy-in to organized religion ... I respect those who find solace and peace in their faith but I really have a hard time with those who use the scriptures (in any religion) to promote their own agendas ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2014 9:37:20 GMT -5
No question, Dis.
I wasn't singling out the ideology of radical Islam as the only perpetrator....just that the story is recent and it fits this thread.
In terms of some organized religion and their political/social agenda....it's in their scriptures/dogma to evangelize and/or have everyone in the world believe/knuckle under...and, in some cases, to inflict dire consequences on resistance.
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Post by franko on Dec 11, 2014 10:37:36 GMT -5
In terms of some organized religion and their political/social agenda....it's in their scriptures/dogma to evangelize and/or have everyone in the world believe/knuckle under...and, in some cases, to inflict dire consequences on resistance. this is true, unfortunately . . . but it is also in non-religious dogma to propagate a political/social agenda and in some cases to inflict dire consequences on resistance. this in decidedly not an apologetic for the ills caused by religion over the millennia . . . wrong is wrong [especially from religions that espouse peace] . . . it is merely a reminder that people in/with/desiring power will do whatever they can to promote their agenda . . . even in so-called enlightened minds and societies. unfortunately for some it isn't "this is what I believe and why, let's talk" but "this is what I believe and why, join me or else". I realize that even my middle ground can tend to be narrow in some instances, but boy do the ultra-narrow (ie Westborouogh) annoy me!
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2014 11:58:56 GMT -5
Of course, franko. Because we're Homo sapiens at various stages of trying to figure things out.
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Post by franko on Dec 11, 2014 12:01:43 GMT -5
yep . . . trying . . . unfortunately there are some that think they've got and no one else has a clue . . . and are strong enough to impress their way on the weaker.
('course, Chris Higgins would say that anyone with a religious/spiritual inkling is weaker, but that's another discussion)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 11, 2014 12:38:22 GMT -5
. . . and are strong enough to impress their way on the weaker. I was trying to figure out a way of saying this, but this latest sack of skin is only trying to recruit the worst kind of losers in our society ... he has zero credibility left with anyone he might have known and is now searching out the 'oppressed' ones who Canada has let down ... kind of reminds me a bit of the tactics Charles Manson was using ... play on the vulnerable and always offer them something better ... CH, don't sweat my post at all, man ... I was trying to point out how radical religion, in a whole, can adversely affect people ... the opposite is quite true, too ... many find what they're looking for in religion ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2014 18:14:17 GMT -5
yep . . . trying . . . unfortunately there are some that think they've got and no one else has a clue . . . and are strong enough to impress their way on the weaker. ('course, Chris Higgins would say that anyone with a religious/spiritual inkling is weaker, but that's another discussion) I think you mean Hitchens....not the guy that got us Gomez. I've always found it more than ridiculous that any "god" would choose one group/tribe/heritage over another. Doesn't this "god" know we're all related? When people think they're chosen and divinely warranted--ironically by a supposed deity of love and peace--to commit atrocities against others...that's delusion to the highest power (pun intended). I know the same horrors dwell in some secular ideologies, too...but it's so much easier to call them brainwashed/insane/evil, isn't it?
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Post by franko on Dec 11, 2014 19:36:14 GMT -5
I think you mean Hitchens....not the guy that got us Gomez. yes, of course Hitchens. trying to get it done too fast, I guess "as I see it" . . . "my perspective" . . . those statements make all the difference in the world, no? and allow for discussion and debate rather than "this is the way it is; I'm right, you're wrong". I try to make sure that I am not proselytizing/forcing my view on anyone . . . but like everyone I do have definite opinions and put them out for rebuttal . . . I mean, how can we learn if we go into a debate not willing to listen? religion, politics, climate change, whatever . . . I'm open to change my mind on anything -- except for the fact that the Montreal Canadiens are the greatest franchise in sports history! anyway, I'm a deist, a monotheist, and simply believe that . . . well, I think I should refrain from any more or than to say that my perspective is that people who search for spiritual truth (or truth period) are more honest than those who claim to have the only truth. by them do you mean the secular or the sacred?
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 12, 2014 2:15:24 GMT -5
Right on, franko. Good post.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 14, 2014 15:51:14 GMT -5
anyway, I'm a deist, a monotheist, and simply believe that . . . well, I think I should refrain from any more or than to say that my perspective is that people who search for spiritual truth (or truth period) are more honest than those who claim to have the only truth. You speak of searching for truth as if it is something aspirational. HUMBUG! People don't want to "search for the truth", they already made up their minds and most often, they want and seek confirmation bias around it. It's not intentional, it's hard wired for survival. Today we talk of politics or religion, but 100,000 years ago, our truth was our experience. If we charged the elephant, we got run down, so the "truth" about bringing down an elephant had to be won once or twice through lack of footprints on our skulls and then that became the "truth". After that, further "truths" were developed around it. When we grunted around a campfire, the "truth" was what we could relate to. Elephant footprints on head bad, spear in gut good, elect Harper for '15. See, I have all the answers and truths, just ask me!
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Post by franko on Dec 14, 2014 16:32:04 GMT -5
anyway, I'm a deist, a monotheist, and simply believe that . . . well, I think I should refrain from any more or than to say that my perspective is that people who search for spiritual truth (or truth period) are more honest than those who claim to have the only truth. You speak of searching for truth as if it is something aspirational. HUMBUG! People don't want to "search for the truth", they already made up their minds and most often, they want and seek confirmation bias around it. It's not intentional, it's hard wired for survival. I agree with this second proposition up to a point. Riveted, by Jim Davies suggests what you do. interestingly, he writes his hypotheses as fact -- or rather, presents his viewpoints as "truth". "I suggest, he suggests, they suggest . .. we're right". not much room for discussion the way he comes across. as to your point, even though many people have already made up their minds and have a confirmation bias, there is often just enough doubt to make them think, as opposed to those who think they have all of the answers and that's that (people that think they have all of the answers annoy those of us who do).
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Post by Cranky on Dec 14, 2014 18:08:21 GMT -5
You speak of searching for truth as if it is something aspirational. HUMBUG! People don't want to "search for the truth", they already made up their minds and most often, they want and seek confirmation bias around it. It's not intentional, it's hard wired for survival. I agree with this second proposition up to a point. Riveted, by Jim Davies suggests what you do. interestingly, he writes his hypotheses as fact -- or rather, presents his viewpoints as "truth". "I suggest, he suggests, they suggest . .. we're right". not much room for discussion the way he comes across. as to your point, even though many people have already made up their minds and have a confirmation bias, there is often just enough doubt to make them think, as opposed to those who think they have all of the answers and that's that (people that think they have all of the answers annoy those of us who do). Doubt is just shavings outside the core. They may bleed away a bit, need a band aid, two coats of plaster, but the core is intact. You, me and a Japanese guy are going about our separate lives when all of a sudden, we find ourselves together, butt naked on top of a mountain. We hear a voice comming from the sky and it says, "I am your Lord". You're inclined to believe that it's God speaking and wonder if you are in trouble for that fine collection of BigBoob Betty magazines......I'm definitly going to believe it's cool tech and how can I buy it to make money.....and the Japanese guy is going to wander what was the noise about and what did he do to deserves frozen nuts. You are never going to convince me that it's God simply because I will always look at it from tech core. Your core is inclined to belief and the Japanese? He's begging for a blow torch to warm his nuts. None of us know the "truth" of what we experienced and even if we were told, thd further away it is from our core, the more we doubt it. So to conclude this core/belief/nuts fable, sure, we may be a bit skeptical, inquisitive and open to a bit of dialogue, but never about core beliefs we hold dearest. It's in the genes.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 15, 2014 18:46:39 GMT -5
Didn't want to start a new thread as it's the same crap, different shovel... Sydney, Australia -- ISIL Totally disagree with the leanings of the writer. The same view was applied to the Ottawa attack. ================================================ Why do political activists turn to terrorism? Australia gave the world a lesson today.
They turn to terrorism to win attention, to cause fear, and to use that fear to produce an overreaction. That overreaction is the measure of their success.
Terrorism is a tool of the weak against the strong. It is designed to turn the enemy's strength against itself. One man showed how to get extraordinary attention and inflict serious disruption using only a gun and a Muslim prayer banner.================================================= IMO, beliefs are everything. Beliefs motivate actions. They're acting out in accordance with their indoctrination of political, militant Islam's beliefs. It used to be Christians on Crusades... holding Inquisitions....and burning "witches". This group is about 600 years younger than Christianity. Let's hope it doesn't take that long for major reformation. But there's a built-in mental lock on that vault: The Qur'an is the perfect word. Perfect. Ergo, blasphemous to even suggest such a thing as reformation. And blasphemy in some sects is punishable by death. Game-set-and-match! Beliefs are everything. They're a major part of the software running on our brains.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 15, 2014 20:01:37 GMT -5
You are NEVER going to change a militant core belief system, so you grant them their wish.....a bullet in the head.
What the 2 ton irony of all of this, in the last few decades, every military engagement we got involved with was to support/protect Muslims. Meanwhile, some of those countries are proud to claim they are "Jewish free" including Libya.
Here are some counts...
Iraq...5 Jews
Afghanistan....1 Jew.
Egypt..100 Jews
Libya...0
Syria...100 Jews
Pakistan....200 Jews
Algeria....0 Jews
Lebanon.....100 Jews
Sudan....0 Jews
These are mid 2000 figures, more may have attained nirvana of "perfect ethnic cleansing" by now. *sigh*
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Post by franko on Dec 15, 2014 21:10:36 GMT -5
The Qur'an is the perfect word. Perfect. Ergo, blasphemous to even suggest such a thing as reformation. And blasphemy in some sects is punishable by death. Game-set-and-match! note that while the radicals are attacking everything non-Muslim, they are also attacking everything not-proper-Muslim. Sunni vrs Shiite . . . not quite blasphemy but close enough. honestly, the only thing that unites them is the west and the Jew. other than that they'd be fighting amongst themselves. kinda like First Nations vrs Harper in Canada (well, against the Canadian government -- there'd be just as much animosity against the Liberals). only difference: the battle has moved in tot he realm of the courts.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 15, 2014 22:38:42 GMT -5
Because of their spin on the beliefs that:
--a god chooses believers as his favourites --they are to rule the world under his word/law--Sharia --martyrdom is of the highest honour --Jews are enemy #1…followed by infidels (unbelievers)
Ultra-dangerous beliefs in the nuclear age.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 16, 2014 14:09:09 GMT -5
Because of their spin on the beliefs that: --a god chooses believers as his favourites --they are to rule the world under his word/law--Sharia --martyrdom is of the highest honour --Jews are enemy #1…followed by infidels (unbelievers) Ultra-dangerous beliefs in the nuclear age. You forgot the other prophet of the fundamentalist delusions and demented. Marquis De Sade
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 16, 2014 14:38:15 GMT -5
Oh there have been many over the millennia. Unfortunately….
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 17, 2014 17:22:28 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 7, 2015 14:52:39 GMT -5
And another one. At the satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo, in Paris. No doubt satirizing Islam, which is something punishable by violence and death, don't you know? Peaceful? Tolerant? Please… In a televised briefing, Paris Prosecutor François Molins said "at least two" gunmen entered the offices of the magazine at about 11:30 a.m. on Wednesday, Paris time.
NPR's Eleanor Beardsley reports that the men first shot and killed a police officer stationed at the magazine, then walked up to the second floor newsroom and opened fire.
Four of the magazine's founding cartoonists were killed in the attack. Eleven other people were injured, four of whom are in critical condition.
One video shown on French television shows two masked men leaving the building and then trading fire with another police officer. The officer is injured and one of the men stands above him and kills him at point-blank range. Eleanor says during the exchange, one of the men shouts, "We have avenged the Prophet Muhammad."
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Post by franko on Jan 7, 2015 15:39:54 GMT -5
heard that the gunmen targeted specific cartoonists.
this is getting uglier and uglier.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 7, 2015 15:46:58 GMT -5
As long as a tenet of militant, political Islam remains that it cannot be satirized, criticized, altered, questioned….and that to do so will result in severe consequences (usually death) so as to avenge the prophet….we will continue to see people raised to believe such things and take this route. What a headspace these people must get into. I can't even dream of it.
With such beliefs, there is no freedom.
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Post by Cranky on Jan 8, 2015 0:03:37 GMT -5
Two things happened today.
The scum of the earth, struck again.
The cowards in the media refuse to defy the scum. CNN washed out the images that these scum don't want to be shown.
Human rights are NOT winning. Time to grant a lot more of their wishes....by killing them.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 8, 2015 11:41:47 GMT -5
A good read. The mainstream media has to stop dancing around the real issue. It's out of "fear", I know…nobody wants to be attacked a la Charlie Hebdo…but "staying silent and doing nothing" isn't the answer. From The New Yorker.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 8, 2015 14:35:56 GMT -5
A good read. The mainstream media has to stop dancing around the real issue. It's out of "fear", I know…nobody wants to be attacked a la Charlie Hebdo…but "staying silent and doing nothing" isn't the answer. From The New Yorker. This is what I expect from responsible journalism ... identify the root cause(s) and offer a solution ... there's too many media outlets who simply pump fear into their target audiences and no one has the stones to offer solutions ... a good read, yes ... I'm still not convinced that these extremists represent all of Islam, though ... what would ever better is if we get the moderates speaking up the way Salim Mansur does ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 8, 2015 19:06:59 GMT -5
They don't represent all Muslims, that's certain. But the tenets are found in the teachings. Much like the divine warrant for witch-burning is found in the Old Testament.
When the fundies have the power, the mods have no choice but to follow Sharia. Well, they have a choice, but to rebel isn't good for their health.
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