Subban

[Willie Dog]

Jun 4, 2017 13:07:36 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Credit to Subban in how he's handled the Montreal schmozzle and the continuing reluctance of the pundits to sing his praises.

They're just waiting for him to screw up, so they can erase all the excellence and resume their derogatory narrative.

Meanwhile, other players make errors with no criticism at all.

PK just keeps rising above it. Too bad he doesn't hate to lose.

That statement has to be the most ridiculous thing Bergevin has said to date. Other than asserting that Therrien knew nothing about the trade.

Playing the fans for fools....never a good idea.

MB says and does what he wants because he's not accountable... geoffeys making money so he doesn't care... the Habs have no competition in town and the media have become lap dogs....

My team is lost....

[blny]

May 29, 2017 6:08:34 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

... in Montreal he wanted to be the whole puzzle.

There's absolutely no basis in fact for that assertion.

[franko]

Jun 4, 2017 19:27:04 GMT -5 blny said:

There's absolutely no basis in fact for that assertion.

actually the word that comes to mind in this whole discussion . . .



(I'll pass on the Aerosmith interpretation)

[folatre]

John Scott's one game career? Okay, that is great Montreal Canadiens source.

The proof, albeit never entirely complete or objective, is what/where it is. Compare Subbans's career playoff impact versus Weber's (points per game, wins). For me attempting to revert to other barometers of what matters immediately becomes less meaningful or objective.

Like CH says, Bergevin made a personal trade, Poile made an asset management trade.

[The Habitual Fan]

Jun 4, 2017 19:27:04 GMT -5 blny said:

May 29, 2017 6:08:34 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

... in Montreal he wanted to be the whole puzzle.

There's absolutely no basis in fact for that assertion.

I can look at what I feel are facts and make that statement.

If you want to quote the entire sentence so it stays in context I had said in Nashville PK is part of the puzzle where in Montreal he wanted to be the entire puzzle and I stand by that.

The last two seasons of PK in Montreal he was a very predictable player. He would try skating the puck out of his own end regardless of where his forwards were positioned. Sometimes he would lose the puck and give up a quality scoring chance or a bad goal and other times he would be go through 3-4 opposing players and the fans would cheer but in strictly a hockey sense it was a bad play with little chance of any kind of success or scoring chance being generated.

PK would play the full two minutes of the power play and about 28 minutes a night, so there goes any theory that Therrien hated the guy and held him back. Regardless of how long the forwards cycled the puck everyone knew eventually it was going back to Subban who would then one time it, occasionally on net but more often going wide or blocked. That is not a criticism as much as just a fact of taking point shots when the other team is waiting for it.

Subban loves the adoration no doubt. He loved being pictured hugging Mrs. Belevieu or kissing Don Cherry or being a great quote on camera. That is great and none of that matters but I also think it carried over to his game. He loved hearing the fans chanting PK and maybe at times he felt he had to be the big a star on the ice but what I saw in the last two years it lead to more poor hockey decisions, not using his teammates properly and a decline in his overall game from the first few years he was with the team. PK was in the perfect position to be the showman in Montreal because the other team stars are Price and Patches who neither want to be front and center with the media so PK took it and ran with it. Again, no problem with that except you can’t be that on the ice and win.

PK in Nashville can be a different player. He is not the best player on defense but part of four pieces that fit together as a core. You can argue it was MB’s fault for not having a deeper defense in Montreal which is valid to a point but that doesn’t prevent Subban from being a team guy and making smart decisions. I have not watched much of Subban until the last two rounds but what I am seeing is a PK that can still skate the puck out but more often makes a first pass. A guy that can shoot from the point but can also distribute the puck on the power play. The PK that Nashville has now is much more like the PK Montreal had several years ago, when I was much more a fan.
There are probably fair comments that Nashville has better forwards than Montreal so PK feels more confident passing them the puck, the defense is deeper so there is someone to cover up his mistakes but it is also a fact that in the last five years Montreal has won three divisional titles, two conference titles and none of us wonder in October if they are good enough to make the playoffs but if they can win, so they are also a very good team. If the theory is PK didn’t trust his teammates, didn’t have players to cover for him or they were not good enough to keep up then that would be wrong.

Good for PK for all his charity work, his quotes and saying all the right things. A few days ago he said Rinne was the best goalie in the league and I don’t take that as an insult to Price but to Subban supporting his team. I do think however that the Montreal PK was becoming less a team player and it showed up on ice, I’m not in the dressing room so who knows what is fact or fiction. The change for PK was maybe a good eye opening experience for him but the change in his game was not going to happen in Montreal and trading him was still something Montreal had to do.

[Willie Dog]

Jun 5, 2017 7:09:18 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

Jun 4, 2017 19:27:04 GMT -5 blny said:

There's absolutely no basis in fact for that assertion.

I can look at what I feel are facts and make that statement.

If you want to quote the entire sentence so it stays in context I had said in Nashville PK is part of the puzzle where in Montreal he wanted to be the entire puzzle and I stand by that.

The last two seasons of PK in Montreal he was a very predictable player. He would try skating the puck out of his own end regardless of where his forwards were positioned. Sometimes he would lose the puck and give up a quality scoring chance or a bad goal and other times he would be go through 3-4 opposing players and the fans would cheer but in strictly a hockey sense it was a bad play with little chance of any kind of success or scoring chance being generated.

PK would play the full two minutes of the power play and about 28 minutes a night, so there goes any theory that Therrien hated the guy and held him back. Regardless of how long the forwards cycled the puck everyone knew eventually it was going back to Subban who would then one time it, occasionally on net but more often going wide or blocked. That is not a criticism as much as just a fact of taking point shots when the other team is waiting for it.

Subban loves the adoration no doubt. He loved being pictured hugging Mrs. Belevieu or kissing Don Cherry or being a great quote on camera. That is great and none of that matters but I also think it carried over to his game. He loved hearing the fans chanting PK and maybe at times he felt he had to be the big a star on the ice but what I saw in the last two years it lead to more poor hockey decisions, not using his teammates properly and a decline in his overall game from the first few years he was with the team. PK was in the perfect position to be the showman in Montreal because the other team stars are Price and Patches who neither want to be front and center with the media so PK took it and ran with it. Again, no problem with that except you can’t be that on the ice and win.

PK in Nashville can be a different player. He is not the best player on defense but part of four pieces that fit together as a core. You can argue it was MB’s fault for not having a deeper defense in Montreal which is valid to a point but that doesn’t prevent Subban from being a team guy and making smart decisions. I have not watched much of Subban until the last two rounds but what I am seeing is a PK that can still skate the puck out but more often makes a first pass. A guy that can shoot from the point but can also distribute the puck on the power play. The PK that Nashville has now is much more like the PK Montreal had several years ago, when I was much more a fan.
There are probably fair comments that Nashville has better forwards than Montreal so PK feels more confident passing them the puck, the defense is deeper so there is someone to cover up his mistakes but it is also a fact that in the last five years Montreal has won three divisional titles, two conference titles and none of us wonder in October if they are good enough to make the playoffs but if they can win, so they are also a very good team. If the theory is PK didn’t trust his teammates, didn’t have players to cover for him or they were not good enough to keep up then that would be wrong.

Good for PK for all his charity work, his quotes and saying all the right things. A few days ago he said Rinne was the best goalie in the league and I don’t take that as an insult to Price but to Subban supporting his team. I do think however that the Montreal PK was becoming less a team player and it showed up on ice, I’m not in the dressing room so who knows what is fact or fiction. The change for PK was maybe a good eye opening experience for him but the change in his game was not going to happen in Montreal and trading him was still something Montreal had to do.

I agree PK changed the way he played the past couple of years with Montreal... I think it could be attributed to a number of things...

1. realizing he wanted to lead the team (wanting to be captain)

2. Enjoying having the fans chant his name

3. Doing what he wanted as an FU to the coach for throwing him under the bus and not supporting him.

Now based on what I have seen in PK Subban: Skate past the noise... PK was blown away by how his new GM and Head coach treated him and invited his family and his foundation to Nashville... saying they don't want PK to change a thing on or off the ice.

When a person is treated that way they will do whatever is asked of them...

IMO MT lost PK and we ended up losing PK because of MT.

[seventeen]

Habitual, you may be mistaking what PK 'had' to be in Montreal with what he 'chooses' to be in Nashville. I keep coming back to Therrien's system, which was the basis for much of the Habs' offensive woes. There was basically no transition other than players individually finding open ice and other players passing the puck to them. I lost count of how many times we were kept in our end, endlessly chasing the puck, recovering it, chipping it off the glass...repeat. PK even lost his temper once and when hearing of a criticism of Therrien's by a reporter for a PK turnover, replied that "he was tired of ringing it around the boards" or words to that effect. I can't recall veratim, but he meant turning the puck over yet again. So..he'd go against the system and try other things. Things that were more creative, more successful most of the time, but with the occasional faux pas, when Therrien would once again throw him under the bus. Those two, IMO, were oil and water from the get go. Therrien abused him in Antichambre before ever coaching him, vowing that he'd change him if he were coach. He tried. Failed. Lost his job. PK, and we the fans, lost as well. He's now proving most, if not all the charges against him were fabrications. He is THE best dman on the Preds, as well as part of a very good 4 man unit. Laviolette plays him the most of all his excellent defensemen. Laviolette has been to the SC finals 3 times...that's umm....3 times more than Mr. Therrien. PK has found a good coach and is rewarding him (btw, Subban was excellent also in Hamilton under Boucher and that team likely wins the Calder Cup if PK wasn't called up to the Habs during the playoffs).

I can't prove my assertions above, but the facts are that PK does indeed play the most of all Nashville dmen. He and Ekholm are primarily responsible for stopping the key offensive guys on the opposition. PK's advanced stats are the best on the team. Those are provable, specific facts. The Preds are in the SC finals despite injuries to some important offensive players (Johansen and Fiala), the Habs are not.

Would we have done better with Subban that Weber? Unknowable, but IMO we would have gone further. It was a very close series with the Rags and PK's superior 5 on 5 play and far better passing would have put a different kind of pressure on the Rangers. When not on the penalty kill, they had little to fear from Weber offensively. Against PK that's a totally different story.

Subban's found a better situation in Nashville. The crime in this whole scenario is that PK should have been able to find that same situation in Montreal but management chose to not make it so.

[Skilly]

We out chanced the Rangers by almost 3 to 1. Well over 2 to 1. We didn't need a better defense man to distribute the puck, or superior 5 on 5 play, we needed forwards who could put a puck in the net. We were one of the worst scoring teams in these playoffs. Our defense and goaltending was strong. I don't think Subban makes a difference at all, not unless he started hitting the net on the powerplay, and Weber was not bad then.

We need offense , it's time to finally get away from this whole defense first, puck transition myth that's been fed to us for the past decade.

[blny]

Jun 5, 2017 7:09:18 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

Jun 4, 2017 19:27:04 GMT -5 blny said:

There's absolutely no basis in fact for that assertion.

I can look at what I feel are facts and make that statement.

If you want to quote the entire sentence so it stays in context I had said in Nashville PK is part of the puzzle where in Montreal he wanted to be the entire puzzle and I stand by that.

The last two seasons of PK in Montreal he was a very predictable player. He would try skating the puck out of his own end regardless of where his forwards were positioned. Sometimes he would lose the puck and give up a quality scoring chance or a bad goal and other times he would be go through 3-4 opposing players and the fans would cheer but in strictly a hockey sense it was a bad play with little chance of any kind of success or scoring chance being generated.

PK would play the full two minutes of the power play and about 28 minutes a night, so there goes any theory that Therrien hated the guy and held him back. Regardless of how long the forwards cycled the puck everyone knew eventually it was going back to Subban who would then one time it, occasionally on net but more often going wide or blocked. That is not a criticism as much as just a fact of taking point shots when the other team is waiting for it.

Subban loves the adoration no doubt. He loved being pictured hugging Mrs. Belevieu or kissing Don Cherry or being a great quote on camera. That is great and none of that matters but I also think it carried over to his game. He loved hearing the fans chanting PK and maybe at times he felt he had to be the big a star on the ice but what I saw in the last two years it lead to more poor hockey decisions, not using his teammates properly and a decline in his overall game from the first few years he was with the team. PK was in the perfect position to be the showman in Montreal because the other team stars are Price and Patches who neither want to be front and center with the media so PK took it and ran with it. Again, no problem with that except you can’t be that on the ice and win.

PK in Nashville can be a different player. He is not the best player on defense but part of four pieces that fit together as a core. You can argue it was MB’s fault for not having a deeper defense in Montreal which is valid to a point but that doesn’t prevent Subban from being a team guy and making smart decisions. I have not watched much of Subban until the last two rounds but what I am seeing is a PK that can still skate the puck out but more often makes a first pass. A guy that can shoot from the point but can also distribute the puck on the power play. The PK that Nashville has now is much more like the PK Montreal had several years ago, when I was much more a fan.
There are probably fair comments that Nashville has better forwards than Montreal so PK feels more confident passing them the puck, the defense is deeper so there is someone to cover up his mistakes but it is also a fact that in the last five years Montreal has won three divisional titles, two conference titles and none of us wonder in October if they are good enough to make the playoffs but if they can win, so they are also a very good team. If the theory is PK didn’t trust his teammates, didn’t have players to cover for him or they were not good enough to keep up then that would be wrong.

Good for PK for all his charity work, his quotes and saying all the right things. A few days ago he said Rinne was the best goalie in the league and I don’t take that as an insult to Price but to Subban supporting his team. I do think however that the Montreal PK was becoming less a team player and it showed up on ice, I’m not in the dressing room so who knows what is fact or fiction. The change for PK was maybe a good eye opening experience for him but the change in his game was not going to happen in Montreal and trading him was still something Montreal had to do.

I'm not going to rehash everything. It's long over cooked. You can stand by your opinion, but at no point EVER did PK stand up and say it was HIS team, or he was the leader. Your comment more than suggests that's how he openly, publicly, felt. Nothing could be further from the truth. He was one of the leaders on the Canadiens, and he's one of the leaders on the Preds. No more no less.

[The Habitual Fan]

So Subban gets banned by the club after game 3 of the finals and not allowed to speak to the media, even at one point he asks the PR guy if he is able to talk today and is taken out of the room. I'm not blaming PK for the loss of the cup here but IN MY OPINION it does show a pattern and a side of PK that he either has to be the center of attention at all times or just doesn't know when to stop being the class clown. Despite what players say in the press it is clear the Nashville management and some of his players were not happy with him.

www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2017/06/11/silent-subban-exactly-what-nhl-doesnt-need-arthur.html

"So really, this is a story about P.K. At the end of Game 3 he sought out Sidney Crosby and cursed him out, then made up the gag about Crosby accusing Subban of bad breath. Crosby was annoyed. Subban kept hammering the storyline: bringing Listerine to the rink, and even sending out a sponsored tweet about the mouthwash. He really can’t help himself.
And then Crosby was great in Game 4, and a monster in Game 5, and the team shut Subban up. There are strong whispers that his teammates weren’t happy with his behaviour, which might help explain it. Would Crosby have been great if Subban hadn’t poked the bear? Quite possible: he’s Sidney Crosby. But clearly, the team wasn’t happy."

[seventeen]

Jun 13, 2017 14:35:44 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

So Subban gets banned by the club after game 3 of the finals and not allowed to speak to the media, even at one point he asks the PR guy if he is able to talk today and is taken out of the room. I'm not blaming PK for the loss of the cup here but IN MY OPINION it does show a pattern and a side of PK that he either has to be the center of attention at all times or just doesn't know when to stop being the class clown. Despite what players say in the press it is clear the Nashville management and some of his players were not happy with him.

www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2017/06/11/silent-subban-exactly-what-nhl-doesnt-need-arthur.html

"So really, this is a story about P.K. At the end of Game 3 he sought out Sidney Crosby and cursed him out, then made up the gag about Crosby accusing Subban of bad breath. Crosby was annoyed. Subban kept hammering the storyline: bringing Listerine to the rink, and even sending out a sponsored tweet about the mouthwash. He really can’t help himself.
And then Crosby was great in Game 4, and a monster in Game 5, and the team shut Subban up. There are strong whispers that his teammates weren’t happy with his behaviour, which might help explain it. Would Crosby have been great if Subban hadn’t poked the bear? Quite possible: he’s Sidney Crosby. But clearly, the team wasn’t happy."

That's quite the stretch from what I gathered about the story. I follow Bruce Arther on Twitter and he's an excellent journalist. He was arguing that the team should let Subban speak out. You say he shouldn't. I say the two games he spoke out about, the Preds won and those he didn't they lost. Coincidence? Probably, but see how easy it is to make a point without any real correlation?

You say Subban gets banned by the club. I don't see that anywhere in the article. Subban was obviously told not to speak to the press and he complied. That doesn't sound like a rebel. I also read somewhere that is was his teammates who presented Subban with the Listerine. I have no idea which way it was. The Subban/Crosby thing goes on all the time in hockey. Players try to get the other off their game. Subban's pretty good at that.

"I can't wait to take it all away from them". Subban followed through and the team responded with him and they beat Boston. Does it happen if he doesn't say that? Who knows, but it adds an edge and it puts some doubt in the minds of the opponents.

Whatever we think of Subban, it's a real stretch to paint him as a loud mouthed schnook when Arthur is arguing the exact opposite, that the league needs more honest comments instead of the drivel that most hockey players provide. "If we give it 100% and work hard, we'll have a shot" What crap. Subban never disrespects anyone. He didn't say what was really said between he and Crosby (which probably was R rated), he just joked about bad breath. That's certainly enough to get him ostracized in the Preds dressing room.

[Skilly]

Sportsnet showed PK walking into the rink with the Listerine in his bag ...

As I said earlier in the thread, when you are winning you laugh at the guy hamming it up (as Fischer did when Subban went around interviewing players). When you are losing, well the guy hamming it up grates on you sometimes, and is the easy scapegoat too.

[Willie Dog]

Nashville didn't lose because of PK... they lost because they couldn't overcome the loss of Johansen. I wouldnt be surprised to see Poile try to get another scorer somehow.

[folatre]

Jun 13, 2017 18:56:01 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Nashville didn't lose because of PK... they lost because they couldn't overcome the loss of Johansen. I wouldnt be surprised to see Poile try to get another scorer somehow.

I concur with your point.

And there is no denying that Pittsburgh top nine forwards are constantly dangerous and play hockey the way virtually every hockey fan wish their own team play hockey.

[The Habitual Fan]

Jun 13, 2017 15:08:31 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Jun 13, 2017 14:35:44 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

So Subban gets banned by the club after game 3 of the finals and not allowed to speak to the media, even at one point he asks the PR guy if he is able to talk today and is taken out of the room. I'm not blaming PK for the loss of the cup here but IN MY OPINION it does show a pattern and a side of PK that he either has to be the center of attention at all times or just doesn't know when to stop being the class clown. Despite what players say in the press it is clear the Nashville management and some of his players were not happy with him.

www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2017/06/11/silent-subban-exactly-what-nhl-doesnt-need-arthur.html

"So really, this is a story about P.K. At the end of Game 3 he sought out Sidney Crosby and cursed him out, then made up the gag about Crosby accusing Subban of bad breath. Crosby was annoyed. Subban kept hammering the storyline: bringing Listerine to the rink, and even sending out a sponsored tweet about the mouthwash. He really can’t help himself.
And then Crosby was great in Game 4, and a monster in Game 5, and the team shut Subban up. There are strong whispers that his teammates weren’t happy with his behaviour, which might help explain it. Would Crosby have been great if Subban hadn’t poked the bear? Quite possible: he’s Sidney Crosby. But clearly, the team wasn’t happy."

That's quite the stretch from what I gathered about the story. I follow Bruce Arther on Twitter and he's an excellent journalist. He was arguing that the team should let Subban speak out. You say he shouldn't. I say the two games he spoke out about, the Preds won and those he didn't they lost. Coincidence? Probably, but see how easy it is to make a point without any real correlation?

You say Subban gets banned by the club. I don't see that anywhere in the article. Subban was obviously told not to speak to the press and he complied. That doesn't sound like a rebel. I also read somewhere that is was his teammates who presented Subban with the Listerine. I have no idea which way it was. The Subban/Crosby thing goes on all the time in hockey. Players try to get the other off their game. Subban's pretty good at that.

"I can't wait to take it all away from them". Subban followed through and the team responded with him and they beat Boston. Does it happen if he doesn't say that? Who knows, but it adds an edge and it puts some doubt in the minds of the opponents.

Whatever we think of Subban, it's a real stretch to paint him as a loud mouthed schnook when Arthur is arguing the exact opposite, that the league needs more honest comments instead of the drivel that most hockey players provide. "If we give it 100% and work hard, we'll have a shot" What crap. Subban never disrespects anyone. He didn't say what was really said between he and Crosby (which probably was R rated), he just joked about bad breath. That's certainly enough to get him ostracized in the Preds dressing room.

He was arguing that the team should let Subban speak out. You say he shouldn't. - I never said he shouldn't speak. Obviously the media would love to have Subban speak and the more outrageous the better for the media. I said I think Subban goes to far and he doesn't know when to stop speaking.

You say Subban gets banned by the club. I don't see that anywhere in the article. Subban was obviously told not to speak to the press and he complied - Isn't this the same thing, the club banning him from speaking, the club telling him not to speak and he complied?

I also read somewhere that is was his teammates who presented Subban with the Listerine - Subban is shown on tape bring in a bag full of Listerine. Why do that if not just to showboat?

I can't wait to take it all away from them". Subban followed through and the team responded with him and they beat Boston - This is referring to a racial comment several years ago so its apples and oranges to compare. Here Subban took the high road and there is no one that would deny that is was a classy thing to do. It doesn't apply to his character here though.

Subban never disrespects anyone. He didn't say what was really said between he and Crosby (which probably was R rated) - This video is available online with audio where Subban follows Crosby down the ice yelling the F-bomb at him. When they get to the bench Crosby looks at Subban and tells him to F off and that he is a F-ing idiot. Again it happens all the time in the game so not a big deal.

Again a good article by Bruce Arthur and the main focus was that the media wanted Subban to speak and he was not allowed to do so, possibly the Preds broke league rules by doing that. I'm would think that Subban's assignment was to shut down the best player in the game but poor judgement instead pushed Crosby to raise his game. Arthur himself says management and players were not happy with Subban, I didn't make that up. This is year one for Subban in Nashville where Montreal dealt with it for several years. For guys like Fisher and Rinne this may have been their only shot at the cup and if they think Subban hurt their chances but going over board and being a distraction or inciting Crosby to be better then it likely doesn't sit well with them.

[CentreHice]

Jun 14, 2017 7:16:37 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

This video is available online with audio where Subban follows Crosby down the ice yelling the F-bomb at him. When they get to the bench Crosby looks at Subban and tells him to F off and that he is a F-ing idiot. Again it happens all the time in the game so not a big deal.

Somebody dubbed the voices on that video. Terrible job, too.


It appears that, no matter what he does on the ice, his detractors will always point to his personality. The numbers proclaim that his team had an awesome playoff run and that he was a huge part of it.

IMO, of the big 4 North American pro-sports' leagues, only hockey would single him out for such "personality" criticism.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

The Listerine issue was just a sideshow to the finals ... no one player was responsible for Nashville's loss ... IMHO, they were the better team in four, possibly five games in the series and they had more than enough chances to win the series, only they couldn't score enough goals ... Pittsburgh got the goaltending when they needed it ... Nashville not as consistently ... had Pekka Rinne been able to win one of the first two games, I think we'd have seen a different series, too ... that's pretty much the way I saw the series unfold ...

Cheers.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Jun 14, 2017 10:02:25 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Jun 14, 2017 7:16:37 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

This video is available online with audio where Subban follows Crosby down the ice yelling the F-bomb at him. When they get to the bench Crosby looks at Subban and tells him to F off and that he is a F-ing idiot. Again it happens all the time in the game so not a big deal.

Somebody dubbed the voices on that video. Terrible job, too.

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't ... I was listening to journalist (Connor McKenna? Can't remember) on TSN 690 and he thought it was legit ... I talked others who thought it wasn't ... depends on what you want to believe ...

Cheers.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

"In short, we’re still talking about Subban because it’s a great story."

- Brendan Kelly, Montreal Gazette

[blny]

Big distraction. Teammates clearly didnt like him.

[CentreHice]

Ah...knowing PK, he wasn't even invited. He crashed the wedding. Look....Markov's pointing the devil horns right at him.

[blny]

Jul 7, 2017 16:58:40 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Ah...knowing PK, he wasn't even invited. He crashed the wedding. Look....Markov's pointing the devil horns right at him.

Certainly hope they didn't ask Markov or Emelin to speak. PK will speak for them

[The Habitual Fan]

I didn't know PK was also a minister.

[seventeen]

Yup, Minister of Defense

Good looking guys. Did Emelin get married? Can't be Markov or PK. Wait...Markov just got divorced, no? Fast turnaround?

[blny]

Jul 7, 2017 21:36:44 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Yup, Minister of Defense

Good looking guys. Did Emelin get married? Can't be Markov or PK. Wait...Markov just got divorced, no? Fast turnaround?

I think this is wife #3. No wonder he needs a two year deal for $12 million

[The Habitual Fan]

Jul 7, 2017 21:36:44 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Yup, Minister of Defense

Or one of those snake oil salesman televangelist

[CentreHice]

Jul 7, 2017 21:36:44 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Yup, Minister of Defense

Good looking guys. Did Emelin get married? Can't be Markov or PK. Wait...Markov just got divorced, no? Fast turnaround?

Markov's ex-wife passed away last year in Russia. Ovarian cancer. They separated three years ago.

During the bye week, he went to Moscow and brought his 5-year-old twin sons back to Montreal.

He got married again recently....he and his new wife have a daughter who's just over a year old.

Link

[Disgruntled70sHab]

I kind of enjoyed that when I saw it yesterday ... I thought exactly the same thing, blny ... but, a wedding's a wedding ... congrats to Andrei Markov and his wife Sonya Sonechka ... wish them both happiness ...

Cheers.

[Willie Dog]

I just watched After Hours from the Preds Nucks game and it was Scott Oake and PK. What a class act... still respectful to habs ownership... no comment on management. Doing community work in Nashville and Montreal children's hospital.

www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hours-subban-turris-montreal-nashville/

[frozone]

Dec 18, 2017 7:23:53 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

I just watched After Hours from the Preds Nucks game and it was Scott Oake and PK. What a class act... still respectful to habs ownership... no comment on management. Doing community work in Nashville and Montreal children's hospital.

www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hours-subban-turris-montreal-nashville/

So I still don't get it... there's a bunch of people out there that hate this guy?? I'm never going to understand that.

Thanks for the link WD. That was an excellent interview.