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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 7, 2018 21:11:15 GMT -5
bergy couldn't do that??? |
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Post by blny on Jul 7, 2018 21:35:10 GMT -5
We bergy couldn't do that??? He's too fast. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 7, 2018 21:47:02 GMT -5
Hopefully Duclair will restart his NHL career in Columbus. It is strange why a young skilled guy who has not yet proven that he does not have the ability to score in the league can only find more than one year at the league minimum.
Given the lost season that awaiting the Habs, I certainly would have been okay taking a no risk chance on him. I suppose it was some combination of recognizing that another middle six wing is not really addressing any particular need on the roster and hearing or assuming something negative about his attitude that made Montreal pass on him.
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Post by PTH on Jul 7, 2018 22:04:05 GMT -5
Hopefully Duclair will restart his NHL career in Columbus. It is strange why a young skilled guy who has not yet proven that he does not have the ability to score in the league can only find more than one year at the league minimum. Given the lost season that awaiting the Habs, I certainly would have been okay taking a no risk chance on him. I suppose it was some combination of recognizing that another middle six wing is not really addressing any particular need on the roster and hearing or assuming something negative about his attitude that made Montreal pass on him. I suspect that his "attitude problems" weighed heavily, and I have to assume that people "in the know" know something about him - maybe he's an irresponsible hounddog, a cokehead, a drinker or something else that interferes too much with his career. This one isn't just Berg, it's most of the NHL who steered clear, and this is a guy who dropped on draft day and as I recall got traded in Junior because of off-ice "issues". |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 8, 2018 9:03:00 GMT -5
Hopefully Duclair will restart his NHL career in Columbus. It is strange why a young skilled guy who has not yet proven that he does not have the ability to score in the league can only find more than one year at the league minimum. Given the lost season that awaiting the Habs, I certainly would have been okay taking a no risk chance on him. I suppose it was some combination of recognizing that another middle six wing is not really addressing any particular need on the roster and hearing or assuming something negative about his attitude that made Montreal pass on him. I suspect that his "attitude problems" weighed heavily, and I have to assume that people "in the know" know something about him - maybe he's an irresponsible hounddog, a cokehead, a drinker or something else that interferes too much with his career. This one isn't just Berg, it's most of the NHL who steered clear, and this is a guy who dropped on draft day and as I recall got traded in Junior because of off-ice "issues". So what? for 650k... if he's a problem you put him on waivers if no one takes him you tell him to stay home and collect his money... you have nothing to lose... but if it works out then you have an asset you can move at the deadline or keep. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 8, 2018 11:27:29 GMT -5
I suspect that his "attitude problems" weighed heavily, and I have to assume that people "in the know" know something about him - maybe he's an irresponsible hounddog, a cokehead, a drinker or something else that interferes too much with his career. This one isn't just Berg, it's most of the NHL who steered clear, and this is a guy who dropped on draft day and as I recall got traded in Junior because of off-ice "issues". So what? for 650k... if he's a problem you put him on waivers if no one takes him you tell him to stay home and collect his money... you have nothing to lose... but if it works out then you have an asset you can move at the deadline or keep. We don't need Duclair ... Not going to criticize Bergevin for not signing him. For all we know, Bergevin asked Domi to give him the "inside scoop" on Duclair ... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 8, 2018 12:13:37 GMT -5
So what? for 650k... if he's a problem you put him on waivers if no one takes him you tell him to stay home and collect his money... you have nothing to lose... but if it works out then you have an asset you can move at the deadline or keep. We don't need Duclair ... Not going to criticize Bergevin for not signing him. For all we know, Bergevin asked Domi to give him the "inside scoop" on Duclair ... Maybe he did maybe he didn't but for someone we call Reclamation Marc I am shocked he didn't try... also I have to assume CBJ pro scouting is faaar superior to ours and they took a chance. Also since Duclair is from Laval (I think) it would make sense to bring in a local WJ player and try him out... |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2018 12:21:01 GMT -5
Not interested Willie, and not for the character rumours surrounding him, which is probably why Berg passed. I just don't think he's that good a hockey player. Lots of hype because he skates well and looks like he should be a player. He's got a .42 ppg average for his career, skewed by one good year in Arizona. Take out that season (his first full rookie year when no one would have known of him) and his ppg is 0.34. That's the same as Daniel Carr, who was used with slugs basically on the 4th line.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 8, 2018 14:06:40 GMT -5
Not interested Willie, and not for the character rumours surrounding him, which is probably why Berg passed. I just don't think he's that good a hockey player. Lots of hype because he skates well and looks like he should be a player. He's got a .42 ppg average for his career, skewed by one good year in Arizona. Take out that season (his first full rookie year when no one would have known of him) and his ppg is 0.34. That's the same as Daniel Carr, who was used with slugs basically on the 4th line. I hope your right.. but I could see him doing ok in cbj with the team they have there... |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2018 18:57:29 GMT -5
Not interested Willie, and not for the character rumours surrounding him, which is probably why Berg passed. I just don't think he's that good a hockey player. Lots of hype because he skates well and looks like he should be a player. He's got a .42 ppg average for his career, skewed by one good year in Arizona. Take out that season (his first full rookie year when no one would have known of him) and his ppg is 0.34. That's the same as Daniel Carr, who was used with slugs basically on the 4th line. I hope your right.. but I could see him doing ok in cbj with the team they have there... And he might. Some guys grow up after they discover they're not really liked by anyone and that they need to change. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 29, 2018 9:27:01 GMT -5
It is sort of curious how contracts around the league are working out this summer:
Surprising restraint on the term handed out to top tier UFAs (Neal and Van Reimsdyk received 5 year deals rather than 6 or 7 they hoped for).
Continued trend of core RFA guys getting a lot of money in their prime (or even younger).
No one following Bergevin into the stratosphere to lock up goalies.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 29, 2018 12:01:20 GMT -5
Then MacLellan signs Tom Wilson to a 6 year deal at $5.17MM per year. But he's a guy that gets you through the playoffs, right? If he isn't suspended, which he will be at some point. Twenty points in 62 playoff games, or phrased another way, 5 points in 41 playoff games when not playing with Ovechkin and Kuznetsov. I think that contract is going to haunt the Caps. Good.
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Post by folatre on Jul 29, 2018 16:51:42 GMT -5
Even in the context of younger guys grabbing a bigger portion of the compensation, Wilson does seem like an exaggerated case. I guess Wilson and his agent dug in and said we can do two years (which would have made him a UFA) at a club comfortable AAV or we can do a big deal that eats four UFA years at a player favorable AAV. Even playing with great first line players, over extended periods of time I have a hard time seeing Wilson's production being better than kind of middle of the road. Perhaps the Capitals think he is a late offensive bloomer and MacLellan may rationalize that when a physical guy like Wilson probably falls off the cliff he will not be the organisation's problem since the contract runs until age 30.
What I find interesting looking down the road for Washington is how this type of deal for a guy like Wilson impacts what they plan to do with a Cup winner, Vezina winner goalie after the 2019-2020 season when Holtby will be 30 years old and needing a new contract. Time will say. But in my estimation it foretells that Washington (in line with the posture Columbus is taking this summer with Bobrovsky) is not planning to open the bank vault for Holtby. I may be wrong, but I have a feeling two or three years from today people will be talking about how during the summer of 2017 Bergevin and the Habs went off in a direction ($84 million for a goalie) that turned out to be very out of step with the direction the league was moving.
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Post by jkr on Jul 29, 2018 20:07:20 GMT -5
Your last line is hardly surprising folatre. Bergevin has been out of step with the league for a long time. I dont see him catching up any time soon.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 30, 2018 7:00:28 GMT -5
I suspect that his "attitude problems" weighed heavily, and I have to assume that people "in the know" know something about him - maybe he's an irresponsible hounddog, a cokehead, a drinker or something else that interferes too much with his career. Maybe he is/maybe he isn't ... none of my business ... until it comes out that he's an off-ice problem, it could be that his consistency and commitment level simply aren't good enough ... Cheers. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 30, 2018 11:48:46 GMT -5
Columbus could use some secondary scoring. Duclair will need to toe the line so to speak because Tortorella is not an easy coach to deal with for a certain style of player and/or certain type of personality. Time will say. But one year at the league minimum is almost risk free.
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