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Post by mikeg on Jan 8, 2020 8:34:55 GMT -5
After the 3rd loss to the Wings, I think Berg has to go because it's asset-management time in order to build the young core properly...and he shouldn't be anywhere near it. I don't expect it, though, as prudence seems to have abandoned this franchise....and Pierre McGuire is otherwise employed anyway.... how bad is it when CH of all people is championing and ruing missing out on McGuire? I don't know how Pierre would fare as a GM, but at least he would bring a modern perspective to the organization. He learned under Scotty, has a binder full of prospects and connections throughout the league. Would we be worse off with him in charge? I don't think so, and I would certainly give him a chance to put his money where his mouth is. Fact is, he speaks French, knows the business and (I think) has a plan for how to build a team; so why not give him a shot?
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 8, 2020 8:39:36 GMT -5
After the 3rd loss to the Wings, I think Berg has to go because it's asset-management time in order to build the young core properly...and he shouldn't be anywhere near it. I don't expect it, though, as prudence seems to have abandoned this franchise....and Pierre McGuire is otherwise employed anyway.... how bad is it when CH of all people is championing and ruing missing out on McGuire? Good one, franko! I wish we had a sarcasm icon. The old eye-roll would be handy for my feelings on McGuire being the runner-up... (I think the tongue-out is the closest).mikeg--whatever McGuire learned from Bowman in Pittsburgh, he forgot in Hartford. As a coach, anyway. It was a disaster.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jan 8, 2020 8:56:44 GMT -5
And while no one is looking MB trades McCarron for Laurent Dauphin. That's one of MB's first round picks for a 24 year old who has played all of 35 NHL games and has 4 points and is a -4. That's quite a career. O' but he's from Quebec. Not saying McCarron is any better, but MB can't run from his past. He drafted McC and we wonder why the team has not improved under MB's tenure, and in fact is worse. I watched McCarron about 50 times over his three years in St. John's and he is simply brutal, the fact Montreal got a former 2nd rounder for him is a good deal. And no Montreal did not ruin his development, big, slow and dumb are traits you are born with. Having said that yes I think it is time for MB to go. No I don't think McGuire is anywhere close to the answer. Dos anyone know if Mark Hunter can speak french? Send KK, Flurey, Poehling back to Laval for the rest of the year, bring up guys that may be tradable in the summer, give Alzner a 2nd chance so maybe takes his contract in desperation at the deadline.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 8, 2020 9:14:50 GMT -5
After the 3rd loss to the Wings, I think Berg has to go because it's asset-management time in order to build the young core properly...and he shouldn't be anywhere near it. I don't expect it, though, as prudence seems to have abandoned this franchise....and Pierre McGuire is otherwise employed anyway.... how bad is it when CH of all people is championing and ruing missing out on McGuire? MCGUIRE?! ... what's the world coming to?! ... I'll need some help on this one, old friend ...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 8, 2020 9:30:08 GMT -5
Want a real change???
Notice how Danault has 0 points since gallagher's injury? Hes not a #1 centre .. blow the thing up, trade price and Danault and go with lindgren and primeau platooning in net. When the injured guys are back send Weal, Cousins, Weise to laval and have the following
Tatar Domi Gallagher Kovalchuk KK armia Drouin Suzuki Lekhy Thompson Poehling byron
The 1st 3 lines can score!
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Post by Skilly on Jan 8, 2020 10:09:30 GMT -5
And while no one is looking MB trades McCarron for Laurent Dauphin. That's one of MB's first round picks for a 24 year old who has played all of 35 NHL games and has 4 points and is a -4. That's quite a career. O' but he's from Quebec. Not saying McCarron is any better, but MB can't run from his past. He drafted McC and we wonder why the team has not improved under MB's tenure, and in fact is worse. Is it the drafting, or the development … I have always claimed that it is both. Timmins always gets the benefit of the doubt, but how many first rounders not turning out like they were projected does it take until he shoulders some blame ...
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Post by franko on Jan 8, 2020 10:11:12 GMT -5
I don't know how Pierre would fare as a GM, but at least he would bring a modern perspective to the organization. He learned under Scotty, has a binder full of prospects and connections throughout the league. mikeg--whatever McGuire learned from Bowman in Pittsburgh, he forgot in Hartford. As a coach, anyway. It was a disaster. maybe he's learned his lesson, CH. seems to have a clue, anyway . . . has an idea how to build a team, not just piecemeal and hoping something works. compare his 7 core players needed to what we have: 1. #1 all star center . . . Danault 2. #2 all star center . . . Domi 3. Top power forward . . . Kovalchuk? Suzuki? Drouin? 4. Specialist/Utility Player/Agitator/Shutdown center . . . uhhh . . . Thompson?? 5. All star offensive d-man . . . uhhh . . . Chiarot 6. Top shutdown d-man . . . Weber 7. All star goalie . . . Price (at one time anyway) no idea; no idea if he could fill in the blanks any more easily that MB has (MB has made some good moves and some not-so-good moves -- as most GMs have). telling that the first prerequisite on the list has nothing to do with hockey and the third thing on the list is "what have we got to lose? can't be any worse".
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Post by Skilly on Jan 8, 2020 10:17:09 GMT -5
And while no one is looking MB trades McCarron for Laurent Dauphin. That's one of MB's first round picks for a 24 year old who has played all of 35 NHL games and has 4 points and is a -4. That's quite a career. O' but he's from Quebec. Not saying McCarron is any better, but MB can't run from his past. He drafted McC and we wonder why the team has not improved under MB's tenure, and in fact is worse. I watched McCarron about 50 times over his three years in St. John's and he is simply brutal, the fact Montreal got a former 2nd rounder for him is a good deal. And no Montreal did not ruin his development, big, slow and dumb are traits you are born with. So, this is an X against Timmins … drafting big, slow, and dumb ..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 10:39:31 GMT -5
So, this is an X against Timmins … drafting big, slow, and dumb .. How long has Timmins been with the team? I'm surprised that after all of the other changes in management, he's still here.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 8, 2020 10:39:43 GMT -5
I watched McCarron about 50 times over his three years in St. John's and he is simply brutal, the fact Montreal got a former 2nd rounder for him is a good deal. And no Montreal did not ruin his development, big, slow and dumb are traits you are born with. So, this is an X against Timmins … drafting big, slow, and dumb .. You talking about the draftee or the people sitting around the Habs draft table, or is that daft table?
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Post by Skilly on Jan 8, 2020 11:09:16 GMT -5
So, this is an X against Timmins … drafting big, slow, and dumb .. You talking about the draftee or the people sitting around the Habs draft table, or is that daft table? To me it is all one and the same … You can't draft someone and then absolve yourself from his development. You drafted him because you saw potential and you informed him of what you thought his weaknesses are … The Montreal Canadiens have sucked at drafting and development for a long time now. And even though some feel the other rounds are hit and miss, this team has failed to find a diamond in the rough as well … most other teams have found that nugget at least once in the last 15 years … not this team.
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Post by jkr on Jan 8, 2020 11:21:54 GMT -5
You talking about the draftee or the people sitting around the Habs draft table, or is that daft table? To me it is all one and the same … You can't draft someone and then absolve yourself from his development. You drafted him because you saw potential and you informed him of what you thought his weaknesses are … The Montreal Canadiens have sucked at drafting and development for a long time now. And even though some feel the other rounds are hit and miss, this team has failed to find a diamond in the rough as well … most other teams have found that nugget at least once in the last 15 years … not this team. Agreed. Here's a small sample of what Ottawa was able to accomplish. Don't know if I would call them diamonds but they turned into good players. Hoffman & Stone were drafted in the 5th & 6th round respectively.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 8, 2020 11:26:35 GMT -5
Since starting the season 11-5-3....we've gone 7-14-3.
Regardless of injuries...it speaks to depth after 8 years at the helm.
It's time for the excuses to stop.
It's time for a competent, ruthless POHO. Molson must swallow some ego and step aside. This new POHO would have carte-blanche to clean house from Berg and Timmins down. Drafting/development....the whole enchilada.
No more resets/retools...time for prudent asset management, low finishes, high picks, and a proper rebuild.
What's worse? The fans suffering for a couple of understandable years....or suffering for the foreseeable future on this carousel?
We've been talking about a POHO for at least three seasons now.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jan 8, 2020 13:08:40 GMT -5
You talking about the draftee or the people sitting around the Habs draft table, or is that daft table? To me it is all one and the same … You can't draft someone and then absolve yourself from his development. You drafted him because you saw potential and you informed him of what you thought his weaknesses are … The Montreal Canadiens have sucked at drafting and development for a long time now. And even though some feel the other rounds are hit and miss, this team has failed to find a diamond in the rough as well … most other teams have found that nugget at least once in the last 15 years … not this team. No, it wasn't poor development or even poor drafting. When McCarron was drafted at 18 the league was all about big forwards and he was certainly that plus he could score. His skating wasn't great but that was not a big deal, the thing with Montreal is they were too small up front so they filled a need in size. The real problem is by the time McCarron was 21-22 the league was switching to fast and skilled players so he just didn't fit the NHL template anymore. The Habs went to drafting skill and speed but now by the time those guys are ready the league has switched to big, fast and skilled. Again the Canadiens are a step behind while teams like Tampa and Carolina got better. Montreal needs a GM with foresight that can build a team that will dictate the future so other teams will have to adapt to beat them instead of chasing the trend.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 8, 2020 13:41:46 GMT -5
And while no one is looking MB trades McCarron for Laurent Dauphin. That's one of MB's first round picks for a 24 year old who has played all of 35 NHL games and has 4 points and is a -4. That's quite a career. O' but he's from Quebec. Not saying McCarron is any better, but MB can't run from his past. He drafted McC and we wonder why the team has not improved under MB's tenure, and in fact is worse. Is it the drafting, or the development … I have always claimed that it is both. Timmins always gets the benefit of the doubt, but how many first rounders not turning out like they were projected does it take until he shoulders some blame ... Agree, however I can't recall where we ever traded up in the draft in a really long time to get a better prospect. Someone compared montreal's 1st rounders vs. players picked after and there weren't really any big misses except Kunetzsov with Washington. I've seen a lot of trading down though over the years. If we somehow get a top 4 pick this year I expect a big push for Laf at the draft.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 8, 2020 13:46:47 GMT -5
I am not looking forward to that day... I keep hearing that our young guys are going to turn things around. Laval isn’t even a mediocre team. Hasn’t made the playoffs in years. We have some decent kids but look at all the #1 picks that have departed. Our kids are average at best and there is no pure scoring. We thought KK was a great pick but at #3 Tkaczuk looks a lot better. This years flavor is Suzuki, next years sophomore slump. Caufield fell into our hands but he scores against weak players, not at the World juniors where his size is a liability I certainly have not given up on Caufield. My point is that we are not a great/good/mediocre team. We are NOT improving and have regressed in the last 8 years. Continuity means we will continue to fail. Other teams get #1 overall stars while our first round picks fail to impress. In fairness to Bergevin we have better players than Detroit. We lost 8 in a row and now might break not a 80 year old record but a 2 month old record. If you ignore the 8 game streak and the 7 game streak and the one goal losses, we are still a weak team with weak players. No GM in any sport with MBs record ever survived this long. If I hear MB made this mess and it’s up to him to fix it. In Los Angeles they are closing the Miller read Molson COORS brewery after 80 years. This must be more important to Geoff than the plight of Hab’s fans.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 8, 2020 14:47:25 GMT -5
McCarron represent the very worse of drafting on size. What got him there will never get him further.
He had a mediocre tool belt from day one. Everybody knew that. The braindead donkeys sitting around the daft table still picked as their first strictly based on size. So what was he going to develop? Eveything? By learning how to play hockey for the next 30 years?
Big Mac size meant something when playing agaist fellow kids, that was absolutely clear, but when he met adults, low skilled sdults like himself in the AHL, he bombed.
This is uquestionably on Timmins head. He knowingly drafted a dud with nothing more then size. Period.
Time to question Timmins abilities.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 8, 2020 14:55:36 GMT -5
In Los Angeles they are closing the Miller read Molson COORS brewery after 80 years. This must be more important to Geoff than the plight of Hab’s fans. Nice to see the big brewery's getting their butts kicked by craft brewery's... much better beer as opposed with the Molson/Anheiser swill that gets sold.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 8, 2020 15:03:45 GMT -5
The answer isn't obvious. I mean you can certainly fire Bergevin, but the choices facing this team are HARD and not a slam dunk.
This year was never that important for me, so the fact that they suck isn't really a problem. True to form, they surprised last year on the upside after being a bottom feeder, got everyone feeling good, and then disappointed YET AGAIN.
1. Do we tank this year for Lafreniere? The only way to even have a shot would be to deal Price and Weber, and even then that probably won't be enough.
2. Do we have a surplus of young forwards to address other needs? Domi, Drouin, Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Caufield. Which ones really matter? Last year I thought it was Domi. Now I'm not so sure. Last year I thought it was Kotkaniemi. This year not so sure. This year Suzuki looks great. Next year who knows? We still don't know if Drouin is a just a giant tease or not. There's some interesting young prospects but nobody is a slam dunk.
3. Gallagher and Tatar. Both are probably good pieces to trade to a contender. Both relatively cheap and each with another year left on their contracts. If you don't think they will be around for the resurrection then maybe better to deal them now. I think we probably got the best years out of Gallagher and as much as I love him, I'm not sure I'd give him the money and term he will most likely get as a UFA.
4. Price and Weber. The veteran core. I can see both of them being productive/useful for the next 3-4 years so theoretically you could keep them, build the roster and cap around them, and be in a position to win with them.... Or, you could unload them now, go with Cayden Primeau and a full on youth movement, probably suck for an extra year but that's another potential lottery pick. I've been on the bandwagon to trade one or both of them, but it's not 100% guaranteed that would work out. We need to feel good about Primeau and get a young D back for Weber.
5. All these issues will confront Bergevin or his replacement. Hopefully some guys will just emerge as top 6 / top 4 type guys and make the job easier, but most likely we will need to make some hard decisions about one or more of these guys to get where we need to go. It's not like when Berg got here and the core was obvious (Price, PK, Markov, Pacioretty). It was clear we needed a couple extra pieces but he couldn't do it. Now we have a ton of pieces but no real handle on any of them and a couple of aging, high priced veterans. The solution isn't obvious.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 8, 2020 15:24:43 GMT -5
The answer isn't obvious. I mean you can certainly fire Bergevin, but the choices facing this team are HARD and not a slam dunk. This year was never that important for me, so the fact that they suck isn't really a problem. True to form, they surprised last year on the upside after being a bottom feeder, got everyone feeling good, and then disappointed YET AGAIN. 1. Do we tank this year for Lafreniere? The only way to even have a shot would be to deal Price and Weber, and even then that probably won't be enough. 2. Do we have a surplus of young forwards to address other needs? Domi, Drouin, Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Caufield. Which ones really matter? Last year I thought it was Domi. Now I'm not so sure. Last year I thought it was Kotkaniemi. This year not so sure. This year Suzuki looks great. Next year who knows? We still don't know if Drouin is a just a giant tease or not. There's some interesting young prospects but nobody is a slam dunk. 3. Gallagher and Tatar. Both are probably good pieces to trade to a contender. Both relatively cheap and each with another year left on their contracts. If you don't think they will be around for the resurrection then maybe better to deal them now. I think we probably got the best years out of Gallagher and as much as I love him, I'm not sure I'd give him the money and term he will most likely get as a UFA. 4. Price and Weber. The veteran core. I can see both of them being productive/useful for the next 3-4 years so theoretically you could keep them, build the roster and cap around them, and be in a position to win with them.... Or, you could unload them now, go with Cayden Primeau and a full on youth movement, probably suck for an extra year but that's another potential lottery pick. I've been on the bandwagon to trade one or both of them, but it's not 100% guaranteed that would work out. We need to feel good about Primeau and get a young D back for Weber. 5. All these issues will confront Bergevin or his replacement. Hopefully some guys will just emerge as top 6 / top 4 type guys and make the job easier, but most likely we will need to make some hard decisions about one or more of these guys to get where we need to go. It's not like when Berg got here and the core was obvious (Price, PK, Markov, Pacioretty). It was clear we needed a couple extra pieces but he couldn't do it. Now we have a ton of pieces but no real handle on any of them and a couple of aging, high priced veterans. The solution isn't obvious. 1 - Tank ASAP, give yourself the best chance to land a generational player who happens to also be French. 2 - I think our offensive prospects are pretty good. Suzuki, Drouin, Domi, Poehling, Lehkonen, Kotka, Gally, Tatar, Dannault are not the problem. I think when they are all healthy they are as good a top 9 as any team in the league can ice. No we do not have a blue chipper but not many teams have 9 players that can be threats like we do. I would not trade any of them. 3- See 2, there is no need to trade them. We have assets a plenty, depth coming and some interesting defensive prospects. I would keep as much as I can and sign a UFA or two. 4- Price's NMC and salary are an albatross... but if he continues to be disappointed and sees his window closing I have no doubt he will waive it. The issue is... where do we send him, how much do we retain and what do we get back? And to all 3 of those questions my answer would be... I don't care, whatever it takes to dump him... do it. As for Weber, I would keep him... our D is so weak and we need a vet like him back there, he won't complain and he does not have a no trade clause so worst case... we ship him off when the time is right if needed. 5- Fire Bergevin.. do not let him have any say in any more decisions.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 8, 2020 19:48:12 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with the Goodwill Fashionista look. NOTHING! The fact that it was worn by a now deceased Djibouti pimp just makes it more interesting...... Attachments:
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Post by seventeen on Jan 8, 2020 21:34:00 GMT -5
mikeg--whatever McGuire learned from Bowman in Pittsburgh, he forgot in Hartford. As a coach, anyway. It was a disaster. While Scotty is an absolute beast as a coach, he was never much of a GM. His record in Buffalo was not good.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 8, 2020 21:38:25 GMT -5
McCarron represent the very worse of drafting on size. What got him there will never get him further. He had a mediocre tool belt from day one. Everybody knew that. The braindead donkeys sitting around the daft table still picked as their first strictly based on size. So what was he going to develop? Eveything? By learning how to play hockey for the next 30 years? Big Mac size meant something when playing agaist fellow kids, that was absolutely clear, but when he met adults, low skilled sdults like himself in the AHL, he bombed. This is uquestionably on Timmins head. He knowingly drafted a dud with nothing more then size. Period. Time to question Timmins abilities. If your boss tells you to buy a 30 oz hammer even though you know the 16 oz hammer is the correct one to buy, you're going to buy the wrong hammer. I doubt very much that Timmins had any say in that choice. Do you recall Timmins' reaction when Berg was trading down his second round pic last June? I suspect they don't see eye to eye on more than one thing.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 8, 2020 22:10:58 GMT -5
The answer isn't obvious. I mean you can certainly fire Bergevin, but the choices facing this team are HARD and not a slam dunk. This year was never that important for me, so the fact that they suck isn't really a problem. True to form, they surprised last year on the upside after being a bottom feeder, got everyone feeling good, and then disappointed YET AGAIN. 1. Do we tank this year for Lafreniere? The only way to even have a shot would be to deal Price and Weber, and even then that probably won't be enough. 2. Do we have a surplus of young forwards to address other needs? Domi, Drouin, Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Caufield. Which ones really matter? Last year I thought it was Domi. Now I'm not so sure. Last year I thought it was Kotkaniemi. This year not so sure. This year Suzuki looks great. Next year who knows? We still don't know if Drouin is a just a giant tease or not. There's some interesting young prospects but nobody is a slam dunk. 3. Gallagher and Tatar. Both are probably good pieces to trade to a contender. Both relatively cheap and each with another year left on their contracts. If you don't think they will be around for the resurrection then maybe better to deal them now. I think we probably got the best years out of Gallagher and as much as I love him, I'm not sure I'd give him the money and term he will most likely get as a UFA. 4. Price and Weber. The veteran core. I can see both of them being productive/useful for the next 3-4 years so theoretically you could keep them, build the roster and cap around them, and be in a position to win with them.... Or, you could unload them now, go with Cayden Primeau and a full on youth movement, probably suck for an extra year but that's another potential lottery pick. I've been on the bandwagon to trade one or both of them, but it's not 100% guaranteed that would work out. We need to feel good about Primeau and get a young D back for Weber. 5. All these issues will confront Bergevin or his replacement. Hopefully some guys will just emerge as top 6 / top 4 type guys and make the job easier, but most likely we will need to make some hard decisions about one or more of these guys to get where we need to go. It's not like when Berg got here and the core was obvious (Price, PK, Markov, Pacioretty). It was clear we needed a couple extra pieces but he couldn't do it. Now we have a ton of pieces but no real handle on any of them and a couple of aging, high priced veterans. The solution isn't obvious. Good points all. The solution isn’t obvious, but one has to make a decision and hope it’s the right one. 1. No player or coach tanks deliberately. The GM can manufacture the right environment for the team to sink, however. While there’s no guarantee one can hit the lottery balls and get the #1 choice, picking in the top 10 is going to get you a decent player. In the top 7 even better. 2. I have the same question mark above Drouin’s name. What is he? The good news is that we can wait for him to announce it. He’s either going to be the guy he was showing this year or revert to the perimeter player he has been in the past. As for the others, I have a very good opinion of KK and Suzuki and I think Caufield will be a very good NHL scorer. Lehkonen is improving, Ylonen looks like he’ll be an NHL’r, and so I think we’ll be ok up front. I also think Poehling is much better than hes shown and he needs more ice time and more responsibility. 3. I too am uncertain about Gallagher’s durability, but I’d prefer to keep him and pay him. No CAP problems for me because I’m moving both Price and Weber. What Gallagher brings is so hard to acquire. His determination and drive is contagious. This year, he’s been the guy who scores the goal to make it 2-1 and get the team closer. He’s the heart and soul and you have to have some veterans. Same with Danault for the time being. Tatar is done like dinner for me. I think he’s producing as well as he is because he’s. playing with D and G. His value is high right now. 4. I have preached keeping Price because despite the contract, goalies age well and Primeau is not quite ready. But…..Primeau has advanced faster than expected and one has to fish or cut bait at some point. I’m not sure Price’s heart is in it anymore. He doesn’t seem to have the focus and intensity I’d like to see. I know he’s not a wild and crazy guy, but I’d rather spend my money elsewhere. Weber is gone, for me. I don’t care about his leadership. I see him slowing down as the season progresses, he’s 34 and once again, I’d rather spend my money elsewhere. Petry I’d keep because he’s always played better when Weber’s not around and you still need a dependable defensive anchor. 5. I think we have many complementary pieces. KK or Suzuki may become elite forwards or at least guys that the other team has to pay attention to. We need elite talent. This year’s draft pick may be it as well. That should be the focus. An elite centre or defenseman. The rest can be filled in. 6. Yes. There’s a 6. The team absolutely needs a capable GM. And I'm at the point where I don’t care if he’s French or English or Martian. He can learn the language, but Bergevin will never learn how to build a team. Coaching wise, I’d give the reins to Ducharme. There…all laid out.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 9, 2020 1:40:11 GMT -5
While I have my preferences for the various options set out, the key for me is after 7 years MB cannot be trusted to carry out any of them. I am unable to think of any gm in the last 30 years that has amassed the pathetic record that is MB's and kept his job. Maybe an expansion team but still not for 7+ years. It seems the problem is how to find a french speaking successor? We seem to have the same issue with a coach (and I would fire CJ tomorrow - see Babcock).
Isn't the answer to hire a POHO who speaks french and then free up this absurd requirement of a gm and coach speaking french. There was a time the captain was to speak french, that was relaxed out of necessity - I'd also point out that Saku remains beloved despite his language limitations. If the policy is to always have a french speaking gm and coach then this team is doomed - not because they don't exist but to get them at the same time would be impossible.
Let's go with a strong willed and respected POHO (similar to Shanahan) who speaks french - obvious candidates who understand the history of the Habs and the culture and are respected include Bob Gainey who is only 66 (remember when he told the fans to shut up about Brisebois?), Serge Savard altho 73 seems to still understand the game and was always 'savvy', Vinny Damphouse, Stephan Quintal (same route as Shanny), Ray Bourque, or my favourite Martin Brodeur.
To limit the applicant pool for both the gm and coach due to language requirements is ridiculous. Yes I know about Cunnyworth. I would argue the problem there is Cunnyworth had no credentials so it was reasonable for many to argue if you're going to hire a nobody with limited credentials then he better speak french. Hire someone with prestige and people won't care about the language.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 9, 2020 2:33:52 GMT -5
I suggest Mol$on hires BC as POHO. He speaks French, knows what s puck looks like, mostly sober, can fit and share Bbinz suits and above all, would be thankful for the crown.
CO, what say you? Do you second the choice?
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Post by seventeen on Jan 9, 2020 2:59:15 GMT -5
I suggest Mol$on hires BC as POHO. He speaks French, knows what s puck looks like, mostly sober, can fit and share Bbinz suits and above all, would be thankful for the crown. CO, what say you? Do you second the choice? With Doc as GM? At least we'd get free tickets. If we wanted. If the team was worth watching.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 9, 2020 3:23:36 GMT -5
I suggest Mol$on hires BC as POHO. He speaks French, knows what s puck looks like, mostly sober, can fit and share Bbinz suits and above all, would be thankful for the crown. CO, what say you? Do you second the choice? With Doc as GM? At least we'd get free tickets. If we wanted. If the team was worth watching. Molson could fire MB and replace him with a magic eight ball or huit ball si I’ll fault. Same cost and better decisions.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jan 9, 2020 7:32:22 GMT -5
2013 may go down as the draft year that really set the Canadiens back in development. The had picks 25, 34 and 36 and picked McCarron, De La rose and Fucale all of them were never able to contribute to the roster as even depth players. But looking at the players taken around that time Shea Theodore at 26 and Ryan Hartman at 30 they would be the only two players that became solid NHL regulars. We will never know where Timmins had them rated at the time so although it was a poor draft for the team it wasn't like they missed out on a star. Jake Guentzal was taken at 77 and we got Lehkonen at 55. If they had taken Theodore at 25, (Hartman was gone at 30)Lehkonen at 34 and Guentzal at 36 they would have done much better but none of those change the Habs to be a contender.
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Post by folatre on Jan 9, 2020 10:41:30 GMT -5
2013 was a weak draft class, but yeah for sure Montreal made very poor selections. And the troubling thing in the Bergevin era is that, overall, drafting has been average and development even worse. Therefore, while 2013 may be the worst of the Bergevin era, it is unfortunately not as much of an outlier as we would like to hope.
Honestly I do not follow Molson's logic that 'well if I signed off on this reset plan then I have to keep the GM who told me this is what we should do.' More than half of the league follows a roster architecture template based primarily on draft and development. There is not a great deal of specificity at the heart of the plan.
Executives wear out their welcome in all companies and all industries. Sometimes the people underneath them (e.g. Pacioretty, Price) stop believing in them, sometimes the individual who led a group into an environment characterized by negativity and skepticism simply cannot be the one to pump oxygen into the building and decompress the situation.
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