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Post by Cranky on Mar 7, 2020 0:00:02 GMT -5
I give it 50-50 that there will playoffs in May.
I have a sneaking suspicion that in a few weeks, things will be very different.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 7, 2020 16:51:34 GMT -5
But only for American teams because Donald will close the border
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 7, 2020 20:29:57 GMT -5
I don't know. I think there is an over reaction but at the same time the IIHF is cance0ling tournaments left and right and the NBA is talking about playing in empty arenas.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 8, 2020 1:13:39 GMT -5
Such events are Petri dishes. Large crowds drawing from wide areas.
The concession and washroom adventures alone....
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Post by jkr on Mar 8, 2020 8:07:02 GMT -5
Playing in empty stadiums in Europe isn't new. It's been used in soccer league's as punishment for teams that can't control hooliganism.
I could see that happening as a precaution rather than cancelling games. Looks weird though. It will seem more like a practice than a game.
EDIT: The Bahrain F1 race will be run in 2 weeks with an empty stadium.
EDIT: Juventus played Inter Milan yesterday in an empty stadium.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 8, 2020 15:02:04 GMT -5
It's my opinion only, but from the information I've gotten, which is available to everyone, the overwhelming risk is to older people, and especially those with other health issues. Many of the deaths are coming from nursing homes and anyone younger has usually been reported to have some other health problems (undisclosed of course). I don't think anyone will be able to stop the spread. The Spanish flu of 1919 affected 1/3 of the world population and just over 3% died from it (10% of those who caught it). I think it can be classed as a much more deadly virus as most people afflicted with Covid get sick and recover, much like a typical flu. My point was that there was much less travel in 1919 than there is today, yet that virus spread around the world anyway. Now, we;re probably more organized and more knowledgable about containing any potential pandemic, but I don't think it makes a difference. This thing appears to be contagious from before any symptoms arise, so who knows how many people have been infected before it becomes apparent.
The main factor is it's potency and it doesn't seem to be as high as feared. The fact it originated from another animal is probably the scariest part of it. As Cranky says, it's likely that in a few weeks, we'll know if my premise is accurate or badly wrong.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2020 10:40:58 GMT -5
It's my opinion only, but from the information I've gotten, which is available to everyone, the overwhelming risk is to older people, and especially those with other health issues. Many of the deaths are coming from nursing homes and anyone younger has usually been reported to have some other health problems (undisclosed of course). I don't think anyone will be able to stop the spread. The Spanish flu of 1919 affected 1/3 of the world population and just over 3% died from it (10% of those who caught it). I think it can be classed as a much more deadly virus as most people afflicted with Covid get sick and recover, much like a typical flu. My point was that there was much less travel in 1919 than there is today, yet that virus spread around the world anyway. Now, we;re probably more organized and more knowledgable about containing any potential pandemic, but I don't think it makes a difference. This thing appears to be contagious from before any symptoms arise, so who knows how many people have been infected before it becomes apparent. The main factor is it's potency and it doesn't seem to be as high as feared. The fact it originated from another animal is probably the scariest part of it. As Cranky says, it's likely that in a few weeks, we'll know if my premise is accurate or badly wrong. good points 17.... but can someone explain to me why Costco is sold out of toilet paper... I get that Walmart is sold out of Lysol... but toilet paper??? |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 9, 2020 10:54:50 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens.
NHL teams, perhaps moreso than teams in any other sport, make their money in the playoffs. No salaries, sold out arenas, etc, etc.. We know these billionaires would sell their own mothers for an extra buck and in my opinion they view fans as a necessary inconvenience, so I wouldn't count on them "doing the right thing". Perhaps under public pressure they will delay, but even then...
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Post by seventeen on Mar 9, 2020 15:23:13 GMT -5
Everyone gets a free gas mask!
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Post by seventeen on Mar 9, 2020 15:24:09 GMT -5
It's my opinion only, but from the information I've gotten, which is available to everyone, the overwhelming risk is to older people, and especially those with other health issues. Many of the deaths are coming from nursing homes and anyone younger has usually been reported to have some other health problems (undisclosed of course). I don't think anyone will be able to stop the spread. The Spanish flu of 1919 affected 1/3 of the world population and just over 3% died from it (10% of those who caught it). I think it can be classed as a much more deadly virus as most people afflicted with Covid get sick and recover, much like a typical flu. My point was that there was much less travel in 1919 than there is today, yet that virus spread around the world anyway. Now, we;re probably more organized and more knowledgable about containing any potential pandemic, but I don't think it makes a difference. This thing appears to be contagious from before any symptoms arise, so who knows how many people have been infected before it becomes apparent. The main factor is it's potency and it doesn't seem to be as high as feared. The fact it originated from another animal is probably the scariest part of it. As Cranky says, it's likely that in a few weeks, we'll know if my premise is accurate or badly wrong. good points 17.... but can someone explain to me why Costco is sold out of toilet paper... I get that Walmart is sold out of Lysol... but toilet paper??? I don't get the toilet paper bit either, so I'm obviously missing something. Nuclear diarrhea? |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 9, 2020 15:28:53 GMT -5
Another good point for balance, to keep in mind. Some governments are reporting the death rate at 3%, which is really high, but it's 3% of 'confirmed' cases and we know how little testing is being done. So there might be 1,000 other people for everyone who died, who were infected and didn't get sick or sick enough to bother with who are not being counted. That would change the % a lot.
I don't want to minimize the blow to the families of those who have died. They will be suffering, no matter what.
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Post by jkr on Mar 9, 2020 16:40:26 GMT -5
It's my opinion only, but from the information I've gotten, which is available to everyone, the overwhelming risk is to older people, and especially those with other health issues. Many of the deaths are coming from nursing homes and anyone younger has usually been reported to have some other health problems (undisclosed of course). I don't think anyone will be able to stop the spread. The Spanish flu of 1919 affected 1/3 of the world population and just over 3% died from it (10% of those who caught it). I think it can be classed as a much more deadly virus as most people afflicted with Covid get sick and recover, much like a typical flu. My point was that there was much less travel in 1919 than there is today, yet that virus spread around the world anyway. Now, we;re probably more organized and more knowledgable about containing any potential pandemic, but I don't think it makes a difference. This thing appears to be contagious from before any symptoms arise, so who knows how many people have been infected before it becomes apparent. The main factor is it's potency and it doesn't seem to be as high as feared. The fact it originated from another animal is probably the scariest part of it. As Cranky says, it's likely that in a few weeks, we'll know if my premise is accurate or badly wrong. good points 17.... but can someone explain to me why Costco is sold out of toilet paper... I get that Walmart is sold out of Lysol... but toilet paper??? Not sure. Diarrhea isn't a symptom as far as I know. Watching Tim & Sid. Tim just went on a massive rant against the TP hoarders. Pretty funny. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2020 17:42:30 GMT -5
I was watching the toilet paper and bottled water disappearing from shelves and wondered.....where is the connection? Are they going to drink so much water they are going to have diarrhea? Or is there some mysterious version that will infect the water supply? And be chlorine proof? Do these people realize that if there was such a thing, they wouldn't be able to take a shower?
About a week back, there where full pallets of gloves, my wife went in specifically for them and we both carried several packages. People were starring at us. Now the pallets are empty. I bet that image of us, each with several boxes in our hands is implanted in their heads! lol
The only thing we don't have is masks, an unusual but pretty big failure to "forward plan". But then because we are retired, we can limit our outings. BTW, in the coronavirus thread, I went ballistic about getting lied to about effectiveness of masks.
Let's hope that summer crushes it....or better yet, that vaccine is very close.
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Post by folatre on Mar 9, 2020 19:19:46 GMT -5
It would seem to be trending, judging from Europe, in the direction of games with no fans.
That will be very sad for the fans as well as the clubs who fought their way into the postseason, but obviously if the number of cases continues to rise quickly the relevant health authorities will recommend that thousands of people packed together is not a risk that public officials should permit.
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Post by franko on Mar 9, 2020 19:38:50 GMT -5
It would seem to be trending, judging from Europe, in the direction of games with no fans. That will be very sad for the fans as well as the clubs who fought their way into the postseason, but obviously if the number of cases continues to rise quickly the relevant health authorities will recommend that thousands of people packed together is not a risk that public officials should permit. Buttman doesn't need to worry about the teams in Florida or Ottawa. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 9, 2020 19:47:17 GMT -5
My wife may have solved the toilet paper puzzle for me. She heard that someone on 'The Internet" posted that the workers in China who are involved in the production of toilet paper, have all been moved over to the face mask production line and that it will cause a shortage of toilet paper. She even overheard one clerk at a grocery store saying that she had a resident of Kelowna drive up to buy toilet paper. That's an hour and a half away. They must have struck out in Vernon. I've got enough to last at least a month and then the leaves will be out on the trees, so I think I'm good.
Man, I gotta come up with some freaking rumour that benefits my stock portfolio. Maybe we could do that as a group.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 9, 2020 19:50:00 GMT -5
It would seem to be trending, judging from Europe, in the direction of games with no fans. That will be very sad for the fans as well as the clubs who fought their way into the postseason, but obviously if the number of cases continues to rise quickly the relevant health authorities will recommend that thousands of people packed together is not a risk that public officials should permit. Buttman doesn't need to worry about the teams in Florida or Ottawa. They've had soccer games in Europe like that in the past. Usually it's because the team has done something stupid and FIFA has ordered them to play a game without spectators as punishment. To make for a better atmosphere, you'd think a club could provide canned cheering, booing, whistling, applause and "Ref, you suck" chants. No one would miss the crowd. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 9, 2020 22:56:58 GMT -5
Sounds like the Habs game in San Jose will be played in an empty arena next week as San Jose has implemented no events with spectators more than a 1000.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2020 1:40:37 GMT -5
My wife may have solved the toilet paper puzzle for me. She heard that someone on 'The Internet" posted that the workers in China who are involved in the production of toilet paper, have all been moved over to the face mask production line and that it will cause a shortage of toilet paper. She even overheard one clerk at a grocery store saying that she had a resident of Kelowna drive up to buy toilet paper. That's an hour and a half away. They must have struck out in Vernon. I've got enough to last at least a month and then the leaves will be out on the trees, so I think I'm good. Man, I gotta come up with some freaking rumour that benefits my stock portfolio. Maybe we could do that as a group. Except for a very small detail. Very small. Really tiny. Too tiny to mention. Toilet paper is made in Canada or USA. In very, very highly automated factories. Crap.....there goes that rumour. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2020 1:53:58 GMT -5
It would seem to be trending, judging from Europe, in the direction of games with no fans. That will be very sad for the fans as well as the clubs who fought their way into the postseason, but obviously if the number of cases continues to rise quickly the relevant health authorities will recommend that thousands of people packed together is not a risk that public officials should permit. IF...IF....they permit full stadiums and arenas with what is going on, I'm going to start digging a realy deep tunnel to survive our uber stupidity. "Safety first" is not a slogan. The other thing that I'm wondering about is...that most Canadians don't have cash reserves to last more than a few months. What happens if we are dealing with a month or two lockdown? Anywho....I'm talking to myself in the Coronavirus thread. Let's talk there..... |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2020 1:58:16 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens. NHL teams, perhaps moreso than teams in any other sport, make their money in the playoffs. No salaries, sold out arenas, etc, etc.. We know these billionaires would sell their own mothers for an extra buck and in my opinion they view fans as a necessary inconvenience, so I wouldn't count on them "doing the right thing". Perhaps under public pressure they will delay, but even then... News Conference... The President of Montreal Canadians announced today that due to brilliant foresight, his team is not making the playoffs thus saving Quebecers from potential coronavirus infections. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2020 5:20:49 GMT -5
It would seem to be trending, judging from Europe, in the direction of games with no fans. That will be very sad for the fans as well as the clubs who fought their way into the postseason, but obviously if the number of cases continues to rise quickly the relevant health authorities will recommend that thousands of people packed together is not a risk that public officials should permit. IF...IF....they permit full stadiums and arenas with what is going on, I'm going to start digging a realy deep tunnel to survive our uber stupidity. "Safety first" is not a slogan. The other thing that I'm wondering about is...that most Canadians don't have cash reserves to last more than a few months. What happens if we are dealing with a month or two lockdown? Anywho....I'm talking to myself in the Coronavirus thread. Let's talk there..... All you need is one sick person, earning minimum wage, with no benefits coming to work and handling food. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2020 5:21:24 GMT -5
Sounds like the Habs game in San Jose will be played in an empty arena next week as San Jose has implemented no events with spectators more than a 1000. That'll be cool to see |
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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2020 10:19:06 GMT -5
My wife may have solved the toilet paper puzzle for me. She heard that someone on 'The Internet" posted that the workers in China who are involved in the production of toilet paper, have all been moved over to the face mask production line and that it will cause a shortage of toilet paper. She even overheard one clerk at a grocery store saying that she had a resident of Kelowna drive up to buy toilet paper. That's an hour and a half away. They must have struck out in Vernon. I've got enough to last at least a month and then the leaves will be out on the trees, so I think I'm good. Man, I gotta come up with some freaking rumour that benefits my stock portfolio. Maybe we could do that as a group. Except for a very small detail. Very small. Really tiny. Too tiny to mention. Toilet paper is made in Canada or USA. In very, very highly automated factories. Crap.....there goes that rumour. Nice turn of the phrase. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 10, 2020 10:25:51 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens. NHL teams, perhaps moreso than teams in any other sport, make their money in the playoffs. No salaries, sold out arenas, etc, etc.. We know these billionaires would sell their own mothers for an extra buck and in my opinion they view fans as a necessary inconvenience, so I wouldn't count on them "doing the right thing". Perhaps under public pressure they will delay, but even then... News Conference... The President of Montreal Canadians announced today that due to brilliant foresight, his team is not making the playoffs thus saving Quebecers from potential coronavirus infections. Great spin doctoring.  Where did you learn that? |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 10, 2020 12:13:24 GMT -5
Sounds like the Habs game in San Jose will be played in an empty arena next week as San Jose has implemented no events with spectators more than a 1000. I'm not sure why anyone would want to go to that game anyway. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 10, 2020 12:14:59 GMT -5
My wife may have solved the toilet paper puzzle for me. She heard that someone on 'The Internet" posted that the workers in China who are involved in the production of toilet paper, have all been moved over to the face mask production line and that it will cause a shortage of toilet paper. She even overheard one clerk at a grocery store saying that she had a resident of Kelowna drive up to buy toilet paper. That's an hour and a half away. They must have struck out in Vernon. I've got enough to last at least a month and then the leaves will be out on the trees, so I think I'm good. Man, I gotta come up with some freaking rumour that benefits my stock portfolio. Maybe we could do that as a group. Except for a very small detail. Very small. Really tiny. Too tiny to mention. Toilet paper is made in Canada or USA. In very, very highly automated factories. Crap.....there goes that rumour. Great example of how a twit can affect society with a dumb rumour. There should be punishment for that, much like someone yelling fire in a theatre when there is no fire. I guess the leaves on my trees are safe. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 10, 2020 12:20:50 GMT -5
I received another lesson of media malpractice last night on the evening national news. Can't recall which of CTV or Global it was, but they had a story on two different people who were confirmed as carrying the Covid19 virus, yet exhibited no symptoms at all. The thrust of the story was that these two were carrying on their daily lives and possibly infecting god knows how many others because they had no idea they were carrying the virus.
OK.. but how about the fact these people were confirmed 'victims' of Covid19 and weren't affected in the least? Nothing, nada. How may people out there have the virus and aren't bothered in the slightest. Their immune systems are kicking the virus' butt. That's a good news story to me, but not to the networks. Good news doesn't sell. Fear does.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2020 12:29:37 GMT -5
... cancelation of the DEL (German League) season due to COVID-19 ...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 10, 2020 13:03:10 GMT -5
... cancelation of the DEL (German League) season due to COVID-19 ...
And the Austrian league, which was into its Quarter Finals. And now Moscow will be cancelling all sporting events with over 5,000 people. There goes CSKA home games (Romanov's team). |
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