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Post by BadCompany on Mar 13, 2020 6:55:44 GMT -5
Apparently they've already asked teams to look into arena availability for July.
If they shut down for 30 days, which seems to be the going rate these days, we'll be into early April, when the regular season is supposed to be wrapping up. Do they just declare today's standings as "final?" They can't do that, as teams haven't played the same number of games. Do they try to squeeze in a final 3 or 4 games, to balance everybody out? Hard to do that too, as how do you arrange the schedule so that everybody ends up with the same number of games? For that matter, it might be very difficult to reschedule the final 12-14 games anyways, especially if you're trying to fit it into some sort of compressed schedule. So playing into July might be really tough as it is. To say nothing of trying to play hockey/maintain ice in Miami and Arizona in July.
What happens to the draft? Free agency? The start of next year?
What happens if 30 days from now things are still iffy?
Logistically, the simplest and maybe even the best thing to do, is to just shut it all down right now. No Stanley Cup awarded this year (second time for Bettman!). Draft order is determined by winning percentage. And THEN, because I am such an evil genius, they can finally implement my plan to move the season up by a month. Start next year's training camp in August, start the season Labour Day weekend in early September, finish in March, playoffs in April, Stanley Cup awarded in May, free agency the first week of June, the draft at the end of June as per usual (only AFTER free agency), everybody takes July off.
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Post by franko on Mar 13, 2020 7:38:08 GMT -5
And THEN, because I am such an evil genius, they can finally implement my plan to move the season up by a month. Start next year's training camp in August, start the season Labour Day weekend in early September, finish in March, playoffs in April, Stanley Cup awarded in May, free agency the first week of June, the draft at the end of June as per usual (only AFTER free agency), everybody takes July off. thanks for the laugh, genius! you know exactly what will happen with your plan: Start next year's training camp in August, start the season Labour Day weekend in early September, finish . . . as usual because now you can cram another month of games in and have a 94 game schedule . . . because it's all about the fans and they want more mediocre hockey! |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 13, 2020 7:47:34 GMT -5
So it's only the bottom of the employment pole adn the organizations that are going to get a hit. I care for one, not much for the other. The Winnipeg Jets have announced that they will not be paying their 1200 part-time workers for the events they were scheduled to work, but which have now been cancelled. Some 1,200 part-time workers who depend on events at the downtown arena will feel the effects of the coronavirus in their pocketbooks.
“They work when we work,” True North Sports and Entertainment boss Mark Chipman said. “So, regrettably, to the extent that we’re not putting on shows and games, those people obviously would not have a call to work.”David Thompson, owner of the Winnipeg Jets - and the richest owner in the NHL - is worth an estimated $37.8 billion dollars. |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 13, 2020 8:37:32 GMT -5
You're the owner of a team.
In this situation, would you set up a cancellation payroll fund for your part-time employees?
Let's go bare minimum in Winnipeg's case. No other events....just the 4 home games remaining. For this exercise, I'll presume they work only on game days for 8 hrs. @ minimum wage. ($11.65/hr. in Manitoba).
1200 people X 8 hours each = 9600 hours worked each game day.
9600 hours X $11.65 = $111,840 each game day.
4 home games @ $111,840 = $447,360.
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Are there owners who plan on doing that? Molson also has 4 home games remaining. Be interesting to see what he does with his part-time staff.
They could write it off as an emergency deduction, I suppose. While there should always be onus on part-time employees to improve their own lots in life (getting another part-time job, or searching for full-time elsewhere), such a payment for this short-term situation may be wise.
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Post by franko on Mar 13, 2020 9:12:52 GMT -5
Are there owners who plan on doing that? Molson also has 4 home games remaining. Be interesting to see what he does with his part-time staff. They could write it off as an emergency deduction, I suppose. While there should always be onus on part-time employees to improve their own lots in life (getting another part-time job, or searching for full-time elsewhere), such a payment for this short-term situation may be wise. good will, good publicity for owners. we hear how greedy they are. we hear how greedy the players are. wonder how many will follow Kevin Love's lead. Kevin Love Donating $100K to Arena Workers amid Coronavirus Cancellations Cleveland Cavaliers forward Kevin Love is donating $100,000 to support employees at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse who won't be able to work as a result of cancellations due to the coronavirus. link
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ph25mgJtQ |
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Post by folatre on Mar 13, 2020 9:25:33 GMT -5
I do not follow the NBA, but Kevin Love sounds like a good human being.
Even if it is inevitable, the owners will not want the league office to give up on the playoffs any time soon. There are a lot of teams that operate on relatively thin margins and clubs like the Islanders, Columbus, Carolina, and Florida want their shot at the postseason. Those clubs have small season ticket bases and their regular season tickets are insanely cheap in comparison to markets like Montreal, Toronto, and New York.
For example, Dundon is probably feeling pretty salty about losing eight home regular season dates (lucky Geoff Molson, on the other hand, lost only four, no club in the league lost fewer), not to mention playoff revenue that Carolina was likely counting on to turn a profit this season.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 13, 2020 10:04:54 GMT -5
Mark Cuban is paying his hourly workers for 4 home games and then they'll see where they go from there... The Jets owner is not a good corporate citizen...imo... fans should boycott the games when they startup... Laughs incontrolably...
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Post by Skilly on Mar 13, 2020 10:38:14 GMT -5
This is going to get messy if they try and start the season back up … I don't think it would be fair to go with the current standings, nor points percentage.
Case in point. Some teams have 71 games played (that's the most of any team). So the other teams, would at least need to play 71. But in doing so, other teams will then play 72 games, and on and on
This is important, because if you just look at the Eastern Conference. Game 71 for Toronto is Boston. Game 70 and Game 71 for Florida is New Jersey and Detroit. There is a very likely outcome that Florida pass Toronto by Game 71 … (as an aside Detroit's game against Florida would be their 73rd game) … messy
I've heard some talk about a possible "play-in scenario" … it is still full of gaping holes that will look unfair to some teams, but it would be less teams. Basically have a play in tournament for the teams on the cusp of potentially making the playoffs. In this scenario, it is likely 12 teams will make the playoffs from each conference. There were no details given as to how it would work, but I'd envision it being the top 8 (based on points percentage) getting a "bye", the bottom 4 playoff (maybe 2 out of 3, or a one game showdown). The winners take on the teams currently in the wildcard slots (the 7 and 8 seeds) …. then rank 1 through 8 after the play-in tourney. I only see this working if they rank the top 12 no matter what division they are in … there are 4 teams on the outside looking in now with higher points percentage or could have higher points percentage if every one played the same number of games than Toronto.
FYI - Montreal would be the 12th team … can you imagine Montreal vs Toronto and the winner goes to the playoffs!!?? Talk about the money ...
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 13, 2020 11:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 13, 2020 13:02:59 GMT -5
Good for them... Honourable people... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 13, 2020 13:05:39 GMT -5
You're the owner of a team. In this situation, would you set up a cancellation payroll fund for your part-time employees? Let's go bare minimum in Winnipeg's case. No other events....just the 4 home games remaining. For this exercise, I'll presume they work only on game days for 8 hrs. @ minimum wage. ($11.65/hr. in Manitoba). 1200 people X 8 hours each = 9600 hours worked each game day. 9600 hours X $11.65 = $111,840 each game day. 4 home games @ $111,840 = $447,360. ================================================ Are there owners who plan on doing that? Molson also has 4 home games remaining. Be interesting to see what he does with his part-time staff. They could write it off as an emergency deduction, I suppose. While there should always be onus on part-time employees to improve their own lots in life (getting another part-time job, or searching for full-time elsewhere), such a payment for this short-term situation may be wise. Its greedy and selfish to not pay these people... in the arena, they are the face of your business... a smart business person does not Saperlipopette on the ones they depend on. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 13, 2020 14:28:06 GMT -5
Most of these guys can afford losing $100k. Some can't.
Ima gonna say something that will get me some big rocks ata me....these "gesture" are seen as that, gestures, which will be forgotten quickly. "He's rich, he owes it to us" will be the mental process behind it.
Just saying......having been on both sides of that equation.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 13, 2020 20:08:57 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 14, 2020 2:05:08 GMT -5
A few other owners are paying their staff until March 31st. Let’s see what bottom line Molson does. If I am putting my loyalty with a team, I want to know if we share similar values and ethics.
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Post by franko on Mar 14, 2020 8:15:46 GMT -5
A few other owners are paying their staff until March 31st. Let’s see what bottom line Molson does. If I am putting my loyalty with a team, I want to know if we share similar values and ethics. I think peer pressure is already kicking in . . . |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 14, 2020 9:09:08 GMT -5
Not for Calgary.
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Post by franko on Mar 14, 2020 10:38:36 GMT -5
that's gonna be some bad PR regarding fat cat owners **for about a week after play resumes before everybody forgets about it because they're drooling "hockey" |
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Post by folatre on Mar 14, 2020 11:34:46 GMT -5
The players are, in fact, going to receive their 12th and final 13th paycheques as scheduled regardless of what happens to the rest of the season. Molson caught a break in so far as Montreal along with a handful of other clubs lost only four home dates while other clubs lost as many as eight and most lost at least six. Therefore, hopefully the suits as well as the players in the Canadiens organization can pass the hat around and put a few dollars in for the arena staff.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 14, 2020 16:37:20 GMT -5
If the players received their full salaries, it would be on them to also help pay for those below them.
I'm pretty sure that those players who are making millions can afford to donate 10k-20k-30K even a 100K to offset the lost salaries of hundreds whose work props up their fat salaries. I don't know if it's a tax write-off, because that would be even better since it will be about half of what they give up front.
As for the teams, they should absolutely try to pay some of the lost wages of those directly in their employ, but some who are bleeding wont be able to. They will need to borrow more money...against no more income.
The problem is that the entire chain of people are going to lose out and one shouldn't expect the teams to cover them all. The contracted toilet cleaner is the responsibility of the...contractor. It's not the fault of the building owner or the event organizers if there are not allowed to hold an event.
Yes, I know, it's not the "have a heart, be generous" thinking one should have, but reality on the other side of the coin, is that a lot of companies are ill prepared financially for this kind of disruption. Thinking back, half the manufacturing companies I worked for could not survive 3 month shutdown on their debt alone, never mind paying their employees...and no sales. Much like many Canadians, some companies survive month to month based on constant sales.
Interesting times......
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2020 17:02:11 GMT -5
that's gonna be some bad PR regarding fat cat owners **for about a week after play resumes before everybody forgets about it because they're drooling "hockey"How true... sheep The main owner of the flames is a billionaire... but I guess he's fallen on hard times, that's why he cant afford to pay hourly wage earners... |
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Post by folatre on Mar 15, 2020 17:36:10 GMT -5
It looks like Molson is doing the right thing, for the most part anyway.
Part-time employees will receive 75 percent of the money they would have earned. Full time employees will receive a portion of their pay from the government via employment insurance and the Montreal organization will top those payments off to ensure that full time employees receive 95 percent of their originally scheduled pay while they are laid off.
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Post by folatre on Mar 15, 2020 21:45:56 GMT -5
The NBA, per ESPN, is saying that resuming mid-June is likely the best case scenario not even thinking about games with public. That sounds rational rather than to continue to subscribe to rosy glasses scenarios. If this is realistic, I have a hard time seeing how the NHL is going to hold a normal Stanley Cup Playoffs under such a timeline.
This would mean absolutely no continuation of the regular season. No matter how heartbreaking, the top eight in each conference based on points per game percentage make it, everyone else based on points per game lines up in the lottery. And if it is mid-June then the first round would have to be something like best of three (all games in the arena of the higher seed with a 60/40 or 65/35 split of the gate/concession receipts), a five game second round with back to backs in games 1 and 2, day off for travel, back to back potentially in games 3 and 4. And then with luck there is enough time to play a normal seven game series for the conference titles and of course for the Stanley Cup.
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Post by PTH on Mar 15, 2020 22:27:44 GMT -5
Nope.
NHL season is toast. They won't officially write it off for a while, but once we reach Italy-level fatalities in multiple NHL cities (in 2 to 4 weeks, I'd guess), even talk about sporting events will fade away.
Next season, maybe in empty arenas to start out, then 50% capacity by 2021. Maybe.
High Schoolers won't see a classroom before August, except maybe key exams being taken in June this year.
I think the Olympics are going to be delayed by a year, or at the very most held in empty venues. This is so ironic, since much of the cost comes from building large buildings for fans, I'm sure a whole lot more cities could host the Olympics if they were 100% TV only.
Am seriously considering buying Netflix stock.
As well as multiple plane tickets for 2022, while they're cheap.
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Post by jkr on Mar 16, 2020 6:44:29 GMT -5
Wow, that's a pretty bleak outlook.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 16, 2020 14:06:12 GMT -5
Wow, that's a pretty bleak outlook. Logical, though. |
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Post by PTH on Mar 16, 2020 21:15:15 GMT -5
Wow, that's a pretty bleak outlook. Logical, though. The peak of the epidemic is expected for June for Eastern Canada, so anyone hoping for a normal spring will be disappointed. Ironically, the US's lack of preparedness will lead to an earlier end to a much "spikier" curb, as well as more deaths, but I think they'll be recovering while we're still managing a lower-key crisis... A (safe) vaccine could change everything, though. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 17, 2020 15:02:31 GMT -5
The peak of the epidemic is expected for June for Eastern Canada, so anyone hoping for a normal spring will be disappointed. Ironically, the US's lack of preparedness will lead to an earlier end to a much "spikier" curb, as well as more deaths, but I think they'll be recovering while we're still managing a lower-key crisis... A (safe) vaccine could change everything, though. I read that Sunnybrook hospital and Gueph U have isolated the virus. Friends just came back from Florida and they said there isn't a lot being said about the virus. I think the delay in the feds acknowledging it will cause a massive spike in their side. My concern is an influx of 'American Covid-19 refugees' showing up at our border. My friends said they weren't even asked about how they felt. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 18, 2020 7:52:43 GMT -5
The peak of the epidemic is expected for June for Eastern Canada, so anyone hoping for a normal spring will be disappointed. Ironically, the US's lack of preparedness will lead to an earlier end to a much "spikier" curb, as well as more deaths, but I think they'll be recovering while we're still managing a lower-key crisis... A (safe) vaccine could change everything, though. I read that Sunnybrook hospital and Gueph U have isolated the virus. Friends just came back from Florida and they said there isn't a lot being said about the virus. I think the delay in the feds acknowledging it will cause a massive spike in their side. My concern is an influx of 'American Covid-19 refugees' showing up at our border. My friends said they weren't even asked about how they felt. Looks like the CAN-USA border will soon close to non-essential travel. The reduced exposure to those from an inadequate system of health care should help Canada limit exposure somewhat. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 18, 2020 8:55:04 GMT -5
I read that Sunnybrook hospital and Gueph U have isolated the virus. Friends just came back from Florida and they said there isn't a lot being said about the virus. I think the delay in the feds acknowledging it will cause a massive spike in their side. My concern is an influx of 'American Covid-19 refugees' showing up at our border. My friends said they weren't even asked about how they felt. Looks like the CAN-USA border will soon close to non-essential travel. The reduced exposure to those from an inadequate system of health care should help Canada limit exposure somewhat. They just announced it. Trump blew his wad early on Twitter... the presidential communication vehicle... A twit on Twitter. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 18, 2020 14:19:03 GMT -5
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