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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 10, 2020 13:06:11 GMT -5
Sounds like the Habs game in San Jose will be played in an empty arena next week as San Jose has implemented no events with spectators more than a 1000. San Jose Sharks have not yet announced what they are going to do with its three home games in March, including the Habs game. The twitterverse shows that they are tossing around three options: no fans, neutral site, or at the location of the other team. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2020 13:06:27 GMT -5
Great example of how a twit can affect society with a dumb rumour. There should be punishment for that, much like someone yelling fire in a theatre when there is no fire. I guess the leaves on my trees are safe. This is where you need "honest and trustworthy leadership" making decisions. From the mask "not for the public" nonsense to not taking precautions because it may inconvenience some, or it may hurt the economy, or it may hurt feelings, I have zero trust in our or USA leadership. The only upside is that a Western nation, Italy has done what I feared Western politicians would fail to do, so I have hope. I scoured my house to find a book i read about Russian bioweapons and how to efficiently spread a bioweapon. It was 30, maybe 40 years ago and for some stupid reason, those words never left my mind. Now I see it for real....sans the weapon part. That's were I learned such wonderful terms as "chimera virus", "incubation versus infection" and my all time favorite, "mortality rate versus infection rate". Extra full sarcasm here.....  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 10, 2020 13:19:07 GMT -5
The Devils taking some steps, but not shutting the doors down yet.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2020 13:36:14 GMT -5
Got sent this and thought it was very accurate.  |
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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2020 13:58:56 GMT -5
The Devils taking some steps, but not shutting the doors down yet. I've felt sick all year watching the Habs, guess I should make sure to stay away from the television too? |
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Post by jkr on Mar 10, 2020 14:05:33 GMT -5
What I've seen on the news from several sources about the surgical masks is that they do not help people who are well because the droplets are microscopic & can penetrate the mask. They do say that if you are symptomatic, the masks can help prevent the spread. I'm not sure why it helps one way but not the other. Haven't heard that explained.
I do have a couple of those N95 masks that the health care providers are wearing. Bought them about a year ago to do work around the house. Wonder what they would cost me today?
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Post by seventeen on Mar 10, 2020 14:27:56 GMT -5
The only masks I've every used was when I was spray painting. They were uncomfortable enough. Just call me a rebel. Not wearing face masks, not changing my routines except I have been washing my hands more often than I used to. That makes sense to me. Pretty hard to not touch your face. I am not, however, visiting any retirement or nursing homes or taking any cruises. Those are reasonable risk reduction tactics. I figure in a couple of months this should either all be over or I'll be 6 feet under and it won't matter.  |
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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2020 16:48:13 GMT -5
Ontario stockpiled masks after the Sars virus ran rampant. Only problem is that the expiry date on them was 2017.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2020 16:55:26 GMT -5
Ontario stockpiled masks after the Sars virus ran rampant. Only problem is that the expiry date on them was 2017. Sometimes you just can't Wynne... |
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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2020 17:05:34 GMT -5
Ontario stockpiled masks after the Sars virus ran rampant. Only problem is that the expiry date on them was 2017. Sometimes you just can't Wynne... Doug deep for that one, didn't you? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2020 17:41:20 GMT -5
Sometimes you just can't Wynne... Doug deep for that one, didn't you? It's a Rae of sunshine |
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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2020 18:11:40 GMT -5
Doug deep for that one, didn't you? It's a Rae of sunshine quite the s Tory |
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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2020 18:12:47 GMT -5
Doug deep for that one, didn't you? It's a Rae of sunshine and quit Harrising MB. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2020 18:24:18 GMT -5
And go clean out the EVES or you'll get BILLed by Davis |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2020 19:52:10 GMT -5
What I've seen on the news from several sources about the surgical masks is that they do not help people who are well because the droplets are microscopic & can penetrate the mask. They do say that if you are symptomatic, the masks can help prevent the spread. I'm not sure why it helps one way but not the other. Haven't heard that explained. I do have a couple of those N95 masks that the health care providers are wearing. Bought them about a year ago to do work around the house. Wonder what they would cost me today? Simply not true. First, the virus is attached in a water droplet. That water droplet has mass. Even if it's lingering in the air, your inhaling creates the movement. What the mask does is to force that particle through a "labyrinth". The weave is tight enough, at some point, the particle will collide with the filter medium and attach itself to it. The smaller the particle, the more restrictive and "deeper" the weave must be. But, no matter what size, the vast majority will still collide with the filter medium. Look at your furnace filter to see how it works. Now imagine a particle passing through 50 furnace filter. The further in you go, the "cleaner" they will be, but they will still have some particles on them. N95 means.....that they have been tested to 0.3 microns and they trap 95% of those particles. "Expired masks" are simply a bit less effective, but not worthless. They may trap "only" 85% to 90% of the particles. The government should NOT throw away those masks, just give them away to the general population. I have a simple conversation in the Coronavirus thread about different masks/respirators. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2020 20:00:16 GMT -5
The only masks I've every used was when I was spray painting. They were uncomfortable enough. Just call me a rebel. Not wearing face masks, not changing my routines except I have been washing my hands more often than I used to. That makes sense to me. Pretty hard to not touch your face. I am not, however, visiting any retirement or nursing homes or taking any cruises. Those are reasonable risk reduction tactics. I figure in a couple of months this should either all be over or I'll be 6 feet under and it won't matter. OK tough guy, don't wear a mask. They are worthless and even the CDC and Surgeon General of USA said so. You should trust the CDC because the only concern is your health. They would NEVER lie to you. Ever. Nor do politicians. Ever. So they "THEY tell YOU masks do NOT work because THEY do NOT want YOU to buy them". Good luck. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 11, 2020 11:20:25 GMT -5
The only masks I've every used was when I was spray painting. They were uncomfortable enough. Just call me a rebel. Not wearing face masks, not changing my routines except I have been washing my hands more often than I used to. That makes sense to me. Pretty hard to not touch your face. I am not, however, visiting any retirement or nursing homes or taking any cruises. Those are reasonable risk reduction tactics. I figure in a couple of months this should either all be over or I'll be 6 feet under and it won't matter. I'm with you, Mur ... the only thing I've changed is just how frequently I'm going out ... I won't go to the mall unless I need something, which is how I've been living for years now, anyway ... I went to Costco this morning and they were handing out antibacterial hand wipes at the door ... I saw a full palette of toilet tissue and passed by it ... got to the till and the girl asked me, "what, no toilet paper" and it wasn't enough for me to go and get a package ... Mrs. Dis works at a pharmacy and there's no panic ... they're not wearing masks and they're just making sure there's plenty of hand sanitizer available for themselves and clients ... Cheers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 11, 2020 12:58:36 GMT -5
Bazinga....
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Post by folatre on Mar 12, 2020 8:27:10 GMT -5
I do not doubt that Bettman and the owners will suspend for the time being. However, it bears keeping in mind that the NBA situation is a little different. The NBA had no choice because this individual player had played against five other teams in the last 10-14 days and thus the players of all those teams now need to be tested and quarantined for a week or two. In other words, it is impossible to play games right now because dozens and dozens of players are now as of today not allowed to leave their houses.
In my opinion, the NHL should not play with fans because an infected fan is a direct risk to many other fans and perhaps an indirect risk to players. But unless there is an infected NHL player, it is not a high risk proposition to be flying around on private chartered planes and playing games in empty buildings.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 12, 2020 11:19:08 GMT -5
Legally I wonder how culpable the NHL would be if they were to continue playing games and a fan got sick from being at one of them? Especially if it was in an arena that is also used for NBA games? They could say that the NHL should have known, and that their cousin sport the NBA shut down so therefor they should have shut down as well. That would make for an interesting lawsuit, I think.
Probably a moot point though, as I suspect that Bettman is going to announce a shut-down in 40 minutes.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 12, 2020 12:14:07 GMT -5
Legally I wonder how culpable the NHL would be if they were to continue playing games and a fan got sick from being at one of them? Especially if it was in an arena that is also used for NBA games? They could say that the NHL should have known, and that their cousin sport the NBA shut down so therefor they should have shut down as well. That would make for an interesting lawsuit, I think. Probably a moot point though, as I suspect that Bettman is going to announce a shut-down in 40 minutes. The NHL can say it was following what the government allowed. Particularly since no NHL player has publicly stated they are sick. The odds that an NHL player OR coaching staff has not cotracted the virus are beyond laughable. Let's be real here, NHL addiction to money is greater then the fans safety. But then, if the fans are stupid enough to attend games with 2.5 hours of multiple contacts and ZERO space, they deserve to get sick. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 12, 2020 12:23:57 GMT -5
The BoG emergency call is on right now. All signs point to a suspended season. It is likely their only viable option at this point.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 12, 2020 12:31:42 GMT -5
No crowds allowed in the Bell Centre or at Laval's Place Bell even if the season was still on...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 12, 2020 12:33:54 GMT -5
NHL season suspended. Good luck with the "short" hiatus though.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 12, 2020 14:09:55 GMT -5
I should of "guessed" the total shutdown instead of empty arenas was coming. From management point of view, they can suspend paying players, but not going to work out for their management. Unless of course everyone is on UIC, including our beloved clown Bbinz.
Meh.....this is like the 1981 recession. All the management was still payed and present while ALL the work force, including office staff was on 2 month shutdown. In this case the workers are the players. What I do remember that after a week, I was so bored out of my mind, that I wore my "disposable work clothes" and started to repair machines...even if they didn't need it.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 12, 2020 14:55:58 GMT -5
I should of "guessed" the total shutdown instead of empty arenas was coming. From management point of view, they can suspend paying players, but not going to work out for their management. Unless of course everyone is on UIC, including our beloved clown Bbinz. Meh.....this is like the 1981 recession. All the management was still payed and present while ALL the work force, including office staff was on 2 month shutdown. In this case the workers are the players. What I do remember that after a week, I was so bored out of my mind, that I wore my "disposable work clothes" and started to repair machines...even if they didn't need it. Management always gets paid... |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 12, 2020 15:15:59 GMT -5
I should of "guessed" the total shutdown instead of empty arenas was coming. From management point of view, they can suspend paying players, but not going to work out for their management. Unless of course everyone is on UIC, including our beloved clown Bbinz. Meh.....this is like the 1981 recession. All the management was still payed and present while ALL the work force, including office staff was on 2 month shutdown. In this case the workers are the players. What I do remember that after a week, I was so bored out of my mind, that I wore my "disposable work clothes" and started to repair machines...even if they didn't need it. Management always gets paid... Could that be because ....management makes the decisions on who gets paid? Back in '81, no bonuses, no Xmas party, no raises for management, we were "encouraged" to take unpaid vacations and worse of all, far worse, devastating actually, no more company paid donuts on Friday. None of use have been or seen the Great Wars, but this may be an unwelcome substitute. Even the FLQ crisis and the riots in Athens streets/university in '73, with tanks in the street.......is going to be a poor comparison IF we reach Italian levels. IF...... |
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Post by folatre on Mar 12, 2020 16:25:27 GMT -5
The players have collected nearly all of their paycheques for the season (11 of 13, assuming the mid-March money due will be deposited). Not to mention how the top guys in recent years receive large portions of their total compensation in the form of bonus money typically deposited in July before the season starts.
The players may be worried that the hit to league revenue will mean that they will get very little escrow money back after the season. And looking ahead to the final salary cap calculation for 2020-21, it is entirely possible and even probable that the cap will not rise at all.
I would be interested to see the fine print of the television deals with Rogers and NBC, as well as the local ones. The networks getting shorted on the number of games stipulated in the contract could mean that owners will be returning some percentage of the television money that has already been distributed for this fiscal year. Is the owners' liability in this type of a situation covered by insurance?
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 12, 2020 17:41:32 GMT -5
The players have collected nearly all of their paycheques for the season (11 of 13, assuming the mid-March money due will be deposited). Not to mention how the top guys in recent years receive large portions of their total compensation in the form of bonus money typically deposited in July before the season starts. The players may be worried that the hit to league revenue will mean that they will get very little escrow money back after the season. And looking ahead to the final salary cap calculation for 2020-21, it is entirely possible and even probable that the cap will not rise at all. I would be interested to see the fine print of the television deals with Rogers and NBC, as well as the local ones. The networks getting shorted on the number of games stipulated in the contract could mean that owners will be returning some percentage of the television money that has already been distributed for this fiscal year. Is the owners' liability in this type of a situation covered by insurance? Good points since television deals are considered HRR and are part of the agreement with the NHLPA... I'd say the escrow will be wiped out for sure. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 12, 2020 18:07:51 GMT -5
The players have collected nearly all of their paycheques for the season (11 of 13, assuming the mid-March money due will be deposited). Not to mention how the top guys in recent years receive large portions of their total compensation in the form of bonus money typically deposited in July before the season starts. The players may be worried that the hit to league revenue will mean that they will get very little escrow money back after the season. And looking ahead to the final salary cap calculation for 2020-21, it is entirely possible and even probable that the cap will not rise at all. I would be interested to see the fine print of the television deals with Rogers and NBC, as well as the local ones. The networks getting shorted on the number of games stipulated in the contract could mean that owners will be returning some percentage of the television money that has already been distributed for this fiscal year. Is the owners' liability in this type of a situation covered by insurance? Good points. I forgot that they are paid ahead of playing. So it's only the bottom of the employment pole adn the organizations that are going to get a hit. I care for one, not much for the other. Given the stock market and given that hockey is nothing more then entertainment, I dare say that the 1.4 billion evaluation the Habs have has pretty much evaporated to what Mol$on bought the franchise. Give or take. It wont stay that way....unless....but it still good to know that we will have some karma given the product on the ice. I need to take a break and shed a tear for dear Mol$ons predicament......  |
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