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Post by GNick99 on Sept 3, 2020 15:39:02 GMT -5
A friend of mine asked me how much Pietrangelo will sign for? He thinks, because of Covid, around 8 million. I can't see it, no less than a Josi. Which was 9.5 million. Erik. K makes 11.5 million. Pietrangelo won't get that but I think at least 9 million.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 3, 2020 21:22:17 GMT -5
A friend of mine asked me how much Pietrangelo will sign for? He thinks, because of Covid, around 8 million. I can't see it, no less than a Josi. Which was 9.5 million. Erik. K makes 11.5 million. Pietrangelo won't get that but I think at least 9 million. A lot of RFA/UFA will be getting less than they expect because of the flat cap... that's why the Allen pickup is problematic.... a lot of dinero tied up between the pipes.. the thing that made the trade happen, from MBs point of view is Allen has 1 year left. Allen could net us a decent return if he plays well and were out of the race by the deadline |
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Post by folatre on Sept 3, 2020 21:37:16 GMT -5
Pietrangelo may take $8 million or $8.5 from St. Louis since they can offer him eight years. I think if he leaves the Blues the AAV will be $9 million or even a shade higher.
The elite guys in the league are still going to get mega-deals. The guys lower on the food chain are going to get squeezed for the next 2-3 years.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 4, 2020 18:37:49 GMT -5
Pietrangelo may take $8 million or $8.5 from St. Louis since they can offer him eight years. I think if he leaves the Blues the AAV will be $9 million or even a shade higher. The elite guys in the league are still going to get mega-deals. The guys lower on the food chain are going to get squeezed for the next 2-3 years. Habs haven't been a Cup contender in 27 years. Like to take a run at Pietrangelo. Trade Petry for another 1st |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 5, 2020 11:40:37 GMT -5
A friend of mine asked me how much Pietrangelo will sign for? He thinks, because of Covid, around 8 million. I can't see it, no less than a Josi. Which was 9.5 million. Erik. K makes 11.5 million. Pietrangelo won't get that but I think at least 9 million. A lot of RFA/UFA will be getting less than they expect because of the flat cap... that's why the Allen pickup is problematic.... a lot of dinero tied up between the pipes.. the thing that made the trade happen, from MBs point of view is Allen has 1 year left. Allen could net us a decent return if he plays well and were out of the race by the deadline IF? If we’re out of the race? It’s more likely that Price will have a bad odd numbered year and Allen fights for #1. We lost a lot of games where the offense didn’t score and Price was outplayed by a hot visiting goaltender. Next step in Bergevin plan is a $4 million backup for Allen. $20 million in nets. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 5, 2020 12:19:52 GMT -5
Pietrangelo may take $8 million or $8.5 from St. Louis since they can offer him eight years. I think if he leaves the Blues the AAV will be $9 million or even a shade higher. The elite guys in the league are still going to get mega-deals. The guys lower on the food chain are going to get squeezed for the next 2-3 years. Habs haven't been a Cup contender in 27 years. Like to take a run at Pietrangelo. Trade Petry for another 1st Pietrangelo is worth more to St. Louis than to the Habs. $9 million for 16 more goals doesn’t help us much. 30 years old for 7 years doesn’t improve our playoff chances. We are stocked with 30 somethings that have big contracts. Building through the draft with #16 picks will take a very long time. Are we any closer or any better to the goal of the 5 year plan. Hope for 16 place and anything can happen. Anything except Molson hiring the best GM available. English lives matter. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 5, 2020 13:30:31 GMT -5
Habs haven't been a Cup contender in 27 years. Like to take a run at Pietrangelo. Trade Petry for another 1st Pietrangelo is worth more to St. Louis than to the Habs. $9 million for 16 more goals doesn’t help us much. 30 years old for 7 years doesn’t improve our playoff chances. We are stocked with 30 somethings that have big contracts. Building through the draft with #16 picks will take a very long time. Are we any closer or any better to the goal of the 5 year plan. Hope for 16 place and anything can happen. Anything except Molson hiring the best GM available. English lives matter. Armstrong bought himself some insurance by getting Faulk. He and Parayko on Right D are pretty good. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 5, 2020 13:34:18 GMT -5
Rumour is habs trade Domi to the Hawks for Saad
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 5, 2020 14:00:39 GMT -5
Rumour is habs trade Domi to the Hawks for Saad Domi is a young guy who did nothing in phoenix, surprised here and followed an excellent year with a slump. He is still young. He plays with emotion which both lifts us and costs us. If he thinks we are the problem he is only half right. |
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Post by folatre on Sept 5, 2020 17:25:10 GMT -5
Rumour is habs trade Domi to the Hawks for Saad Montreal would only control Saad for one season at a $6 million cap hit ($6.5 in real money, which in a season with no gate revenue Molson may not much care for); whereas Domi is still under club control for two seasons. Domi cheats a lot in the defensive zone but he is a pretty good point producer (.669 ppg for his career). Saad is a nice complementary player but he is who he is and he not going to suddenly break out and give you 35 goals or 70 points. I would be curious to know what the league and NHLPA hammered out in terms of on what date modified no trade clauses kick in (it would have been July 1st) because Saad is entitled to one this season (he can say no to a trade to 21 of the league's 31 teams). I have a feeling a 28 year old American guy who has never lived or played in Canada may not be elated to pick up the phone and hear this news. And the idea of trading a pretty good 25 year old asset for what could easily turn out to be a one-year rental seems short-sighted unless you are literally acquiring the missing piece as a contender. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 6, 2020 9:26:47 GMT -5
Rumour is habs trade Domi to the Hawks for Saad I don't know Saad that well but Montreal and Chicago front office have a history of recent trades. That is generally an inside track. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 6, 2020 9:36:20 GMT -5
Rumour is habs trade Domi to the Hawks for Saad Domi is a young guy who did nothing in phoenix, surprised here and followed an excellent year with a slump. He is still young. He plays with emotion which both lifts us and costs us. If he thinks we are the problem he is only half right. Sounds like we lose the trade. Domi is proven 70 pts. With tenacity and speed. Glancing at Hockeydb. Saad had better numbers in Jackets than Hawks thou. Maybe Bergs see something. Shooting percentage is low 11.7%, hits was 54 last full year. That's good. I always look at those 2 stats as intangibles. Adds heaviness though. Plays on PK. Domi is 3 years younger. I would ask for throw in. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Sept 6, 2020 11:19:53 GMT -5
Pietrangelo may take $8 million or $8.5 from St. Louis since they can offer him eight years. I think if he leaves the Blues the AAV will be $9 million or even a shade higher. The elite guys in the league are still going to get mega-deals. The guys lower on the food chain are going to get squeezed for the next 2-3 years. Habs haven't been a Cup contender in 27 years. Like to take a run at Pietrangelo. Trade Petry for another 1st You should know by now as a Habs fan, going after the top UFAs is a waste of time. If Bergevin tries to set up a meeting, he is more than likely to get the 'Tavares' treatment of not even taking his call. As was mentioned in another thread, Most NHL teams have three options in building teams: -Draft. -Trades. -Free agency. The Habs have only the first two options. Until some conditions change drastically, impact UFAs will continue to feign interest in the Habs to boost their value, or to 'Tavares' the team altogether. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 6, 2020 14:06:17 GMT -5
Domi is a young guy who did nothing in phoenix, surprised here and followed an excellent year with a slump. He is still young. He plays with emotion which both lifts us and costs us. If he thinks we are the problem he is only half right. Sounds like we lose the trade. Domi is proven 70 pts. With tenacity and speed. Glancing at Hockeydb. Saad had better numbers in Jackets than Hawks thou. Maybe Bergs see something. Shooting percentage is low 11.7%, hits was 54 last full year. That's good. I always look at those 2 stats as intangibles. Adds heaviness though. Plays on PK. Domi is 3 years younger. I would ask for throw in. An 11.7% shooting percentage sounds pretty good to me. That equates to a goalie save percentage of .883. Either Saad is facing crappy goalies or he's a decent shooter. PS. I'm not judging this potantial trade at all, just discussing the shooting percentage. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 6, 2020 14:13:37 GMT -5
Habs haven't been a Cup contender in 27 years. Like to take a run at Pietrangelo. Trade Petry for another 1st You should know by now as a Habs fan, going after the top UFAs is a waste of time. If Bergevin tries to set up a meeting, he is more than likely to get the 'Tavares' treatment of not even taking his call. As was mentioned in another thread, Most NHL teams have three options in building teams: -Draft. -Trades. -Free agency. The Habs have only the first two options. Until some conditions change drastically, impact UFAs will continue to feign interest in the Habs to boost their value, or to 'Tavares' the team altogether. To attract UFA's (the value of which is a completely different discussion), you first have to have a winning team and a winning culture. Winning is critically important to players and once they have control of their careers, they prefer to play on a winner. (Duh). Then, IMO, there are a few other factors that come into play after that first one. The importance of these factors varies depending on the player: Trust in management and coaching Family issues Money (though a good UFA will always get paid,, but taxes are an issue) Climate (probably lower on the scale) If you believe those factors above are important in attracting UFA's, its clear why Montreal is so rarely a choice. The Habs strike out on too many of those. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 6, 2020 16:41:02 GMT -5
Habs haven't been a Cup contender in 27 years. Like to take a run at Pietrangelo. Trade Petry for another 1st You should know by now as a Habs fan, going after the top UFAs is a waste of time. If Bergevin tries to set up a meeting, he is more than likely to get the 'Tavares' treatment of not even taking his call. As was mentioned in another thread, Most NHL teams have three options in building teams: -Draft. -Trades. -Free agency. The Habs have only the first two options. Until some conditions change drastically, impact UFAs will continue to feign interest in the Habs to boost their value, or to 'Tavares' the team altogether. I wouldn't say that. We signed a lot over the years. But difficult in Montreal |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 6, 2020 16:41:45 GMT -5
Rumour is habs trade Domi to the Hawks for Saad Montreal would only control Saad for one season at a $6 million cap hit ($6.5 in real money, which in a season with no gate revenue Molson may not much care for); whereas Domi is still under club control for two seasons. Domi cheats a lot in the defensive zone but he is a pretty good point producer (.669 ppg for his career). Saad is a nice complementary player but he is who he is and he not going to suddenly break out and give you 35 goals or 70 points. I would be curious to know what the league and NHLPA hammered out in terms of on what date modified no trade clauses kick in (it would have been July 1st) because Saad is entitled to one this season (he can say no to a trade to 21 of the league's 31 teams). I have a feeling a 28 year old American guy who has never lived or played in Canada may not be elated to pick up the phone and hear this news. And the idea of trading a pretty good 25 year old asset for what could easily turn out to be a one-year rental seems short-sighted unless you are literally acquiring the missing piece as a contender. Might do it of Hawks retained some?? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 6, 2020 20:13:40 GMT -5
Habs haven't been a Cup contender in 27 years. Like to take a run at Pietrangelo. Trade Petry for another 1st You should know by now as a Habs fan, going after the top UFAs is a waste of time. If Bergevin tries to set up a meeting, he is more than likely to get the 'Tavares' treatment of not even taking his call. As was mentioned in another thread, Most NHL teams have three options in building teams: -Draft. -Trades. -Free agency. The Habs have only the first two options. Until some conditions change drastically, impact UFAs will continue to feign interest in the Habs to boost their value, or to 'Tavares' the team altogether. I thought Weber was supposed to attract all sorts of UFAs... another MB boner... |
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Post by folatre on Sept 6, 2020 21:32:25 GMT -5
Gnick, Molson might like Chicago to retain something in the event this happened, though for me that should not be the issue of concern (i.e. the Habs will likely deal with a $6 million AAV with no problem and $6.5 in real cash should not matter for a rich club).
I do not mean to disparage Saad. He is a good player. I am just concerned about trading for a guy three years older who will be a one-year rental.
Bergevin has won a couple of trades with Chicago (one by a major margin). He may do well to stop while ahead.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 7, 2020 1:06:28 GMT -5
Gnick, Molson might like Chicago to retain something in the event this happened, though for me that should not be the issue of concern (i.e. the Habs will likely deal with a $6 million AAV with no problem and $6.5 in real cash should not matter for a rich club). I do not mean to disparage Saad. He is a good player. I am just concerned about trading for a guy three years older who will be a one-year rental. Bergevin has won a couple of trades with Chicago (one by a major margin). He may do well to stop while ahead. The Danault one. Which other one? I can only remember Andrew Shaw. Is it the second trade back that you're thinking of? I'd say Chicago is quite happy with the first Shaw deal. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 7, 2020 5:42:50 GMT -5
Gnick, Molson might like Chicago to retain something in the event this happened, though for me that should not be the issue of concern (i.e. the Habs will likely deal with a $6 million AAV with no problem and $6.5 in real cash should not matter for a rich club). I do not mean to disparage Saad. He is a good player. I am just concerned about trading for a guy three years older who will be a one-year rental. Bergevin has won a couple of trades with Chicago (one by a major margin). He may do well to stop while ahead. Saad at 6 million doesn't really have a ton of trade value. Habs better off picking him up for a late pick. Trading Domi elsewhere. If they do plan to trade Domi. Be trading him at a low right now. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 7, 2020 5:46:57 GMT -5
I leaning against not trading Danault. He is going to be hard to replace. Proven 55 points usually in Selke talk. Good on faceoffs and PK. Solid team down the middle with Danault as 3rd line center.
Revisit situation trade deadline. He may change his mind by trade deadline. Suzuki and KK success very small sample size. One if them may slide or slump or injured this coming season.
Can still get big haul at deadline, look at Pageau trade?
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Post by folatre on Sept 7, 2020 7:51:27 GMT -5
Seventeen, the Danault trade turned out to be complete steal in favour of the Habs (if I recall, Chicago did not even make a playoff run that spring). The other one was indeed the Shaw trade, which I consider a mild win simply for the feat of getting rid of an injury-prone player with four years left on his contract. Of course, if Timmins manages to grab a really good kid at #48 overall then the Shaw trade could look even better.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 7, 2020 10:54:09 GMT -5
Seventeen, the Danault trade turned out to be complete steal in favour of the Habs (if I recall, Chicago did not even make a playoff run that spring). The other one was indeed the Shaw trade, which I consider a mild win simply for the feat of getting rid of an injury-prone player with four years left on his contract. Of course, if Timmins manages to grab a really good kid at #48 overall then the Shaw trade could look even better. The pick for Romanov for Weise |
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Post by Anardil1 on Sept 7, 2020 11:12:01 GMT -5
You should know by now as a Habs fan, going after the top UFAs is a waste of time. If Bergevin tries to set up a meeting, he is more than likely to get the 'Tavares' treatment of not even taking his call. As was mentioned in another thread, Most NHL teams have three options in building teams: -Draft. -Trades. -Free agency. The Habs have only the first two options. Until some conditions change drastically, impact UFAs will continue to feign interest in the Habs to boost their value, or to 'Tavares' the team altogether. I wouldn't say that. We signed a lot over the years. But difficult in Montreal Really??!! I'm very interested to know whom you believe was an impact UFA that has signed with the Habs since Reggie Houle was GM. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 7, 2020 12:26:12 GMT -5
Seventeen, the Danault trade turned out to be complete steal in favour of the Habs (if I recall, Chicago did not even make a playoff run that spring). The other one was indeed the Shaw trade, which I consider a mild win simply for the feat of getting rid of an injury-prone player with four years left on his contract. Of course, if Timmins manages to grab a really good kid at #48 overall then the Shaw trade could look even better. True. I remember a couple of Montreal sports writers making that very case about Shaw's concussion issues about a year before he was traded. Just like now we are suggesting that Gallagher's game is really hard on his body and whether it's worth signing him to a long term. One could argue the same about Weber, who is, if not getting injured more often, missing more time due to injury as he ages. Get value for these guys while you can. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 7, 2020 17:00:16 GMT -5
Curious
If the Danault trade with Romanov included is a win (and it certainly was) then I’m not sure how anyone can consider any of the Shaw trades a win
Shaw for Debrincat .... that’s a loss
Draft picks we haven’t drafted yet fir Shaw ... that’s not a win. Nor a loss . It can’t be evaluated except to say we cleared cap space ... which is usually a win, but we didn’t use said cap space , soooo not a win as of yet
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Post by folatre on Sept 7, 2020 17:16:07 GMT -5
I mean to say the recent Shaw trade (the one returning him to Chicago) is a mild win with potential to be even better if #48 is a winner.
I agree with you, Skilly. The trade that originally brought Shaw to Montreal was not brilliant and it would be charitable to Bergevin to not classify it as a loss. Heck, if Eller had not pissed Therrien off by publicly said he did not want to play on the wing, perhaps Bergevin would not have made the two trades which de facto replaced Eller with Shaw.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 7, 2020 18:39:39 GMT -5
Hiring Therrien was such a disaster. I'm sure a few moves were made to satisfy the jerk.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 7, 2020 19:40:30 GMT -5
Hiring Therrien was such a disaster. I'm sure a few moves were made to satisfy the jerk. I'm just glad philly is out and MT is not in the playoffs anymore... |
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