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Post by GNick99 on Aug 13, 2020 5:44:37 GMT -5
Watching parts of the 6 hours marathon between CBJ and Tampa other night. Came up with idea of offer sheeting Sergechev? We have extra picks this year, so can afford to lose a couple in '21 Draft. Tampa be hard pressed to match. Habs usually have a bunch of caproom not used each season. There are a lot of factors available which allow us to do this.
Last year was a bad year to try it. Carolina had tons of caproom and the '20 Draft was a good draft. This year maybe a different story.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 16, 2020 5:47:13 GMT -5
I am thinking on offer sheet to Sergechev. 7 million for 5 years? Give up a first and third round pick in 21 draft. Allows us to trade Petry.
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Post by folatre on Aug 16, 2020 8:47:55 GMT -5
Sergachev is extremely impressive.
Normally I would say money talks, so why would he not sign a 5 year/$35 million offer sheet. The answer, unfortunately, would probably lie in the kid's disdain for Bergevin. Russians, probably because they feel like they have to be extra good to get their due from fans and club executives in North America, are proud and it would not surprise me at all if Sergachev thinks Bergevin grossly undervalued him and consequently holds a grudge.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 16, 2020 12:27:40 GMT -5
Sergachev is extremely impressive. Normally I would say money talks, so why would he not sign a 5 year/$35 million offer sheet. The answer, unfortunately, would probably lie in the kid's disdain for Bergevin. Russians, probably because they feel like they have to be extra good to get their due from fans and club executives in North America, are proud and it would not surprise me at all if Sergachev thinks Bergevin grossly undervalued him and consequently holds a grudge. My thinking is we can trade Petry for what we have to give up for Sergechev. Or close to it. Roughly a first and 3rd in weak '21 draft. But Sergechev at 22, is better than Petry at 33. So, we gain. Sergechev cannot get trade protection in his contract until he is 27. Where Petry is sure to want NMC. So, more options in case great trade offer comes along. We have movable asset. In 4 or 5 years Petry be done, or near done. While Sergechev be hitting his prime. With no trade protection and in his prime. By 2024 or 2025, We could get the moon for Sergechev. While Petry will have no trade value. Huge gain. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 16, 2020 12:44:28 GMT -5
I am thinking on offer sheet to Sergechev. 7 million for 5 years? Give up a first and third round pick in 21 draft. Allows us to trade Petry. This is where the current CAP situation really ticks me off. Tampa only needs to burn about $5.7MM or so of it's cap to match a Montreal $7MM offer. The current cap situation is a blatant subsidy to Carolina, Tampa, Florida and Dallas. Tallon was a fool, but the other clubs are all using that to their advantage and have competitive teams. Has to be changed. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 16, 2020 12:51:01 GMT -5
Sergachev is extremely impressive.
Normally I would say money talks, so why would he not sign a 5 year/$35 million offer sheet. The answer, unfortunately, would probably lie in the kid's disdain for Bergevin. Russians, probably because they feel like they have to be extra good to get their due from fans and club executives in North America, are proud and it would not surprise me at all if Sergachev thinks Bergevin grossly undervalued him and consequently holds a grudge.
My thinking is we can trade Petry for what we have to give up for Sergechev. Or close to it. Roughly a first and 3rd in weak '21 draft. But Sergechev at 22, is better than Petry at 33. So, we gain.
Sergechev cannot get trade protection in his contract until he is 27. Where Petry is sure to want NMC. So, more options in case great trade offer comes along. We have movable asset.
In 4 or 5 years Petry be done, or near done. While Sergechev be hitting his prime. With no trade protection and in his prime. By 2024 or 2025, We could get the moon for Sergechev. While Petry will have no trade value. Huge gain.
Good comments above. Unfortunately, the chances of a successful offer sheet to Sergachev are minimal. I can think of numerous reasons. a) Bergevin will never do it. He made an offer sheet last season and it was spectacularly unsuccessful, in circumstances that were ideal. We can debate why, but it was either a public relations exercise or an example of massively bad judgment. b) some other team will offer more. Bergie is notoriously cheap. See point (a) above. c) He could offer Sergachev $20MM and Mikhail would probably not sign it. I doubt Bergie is on Russian's (those with a free will) Christmas list. How much do you want to bet that Bergevin does not have a pet?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 16, 2020 14:12:38 GMT -5
Steve Yzerman has two young d-men in his lineup that are on ELCs and will probably be part of his plan moving forward; Mikhail Sergachev, LD, 22 years old, and Erik Cernak, RD, 23 years old ... if the Habs were to tender an offer sheet to either, I suspect they'd have a better chance at landing Cernak ... of the two, I can see Yzerman wanting to keep Sergachev as heir-apparent to Victor Hedman ... he'd have to do some juggling with the cap space, but at the same time, he'd probably have an easier time of matching an offer sheet on Cernak than he would on Sergachev ... as far as those draft picks go, it wouldn't surprise if we were to learn that Marc Bergevin, Trevor Timmins and Shayne Churla are working on a draft strategy that doesn't include drafting 14 players ... that might come across as waiting for "The Great Pumpkin" again (thanks, Phil), but I'm expecting Bergevin to either improve the team's drafting position or land a bonafide (insert whatever he's looking for here) ... we'll see, I guess ...
Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 17, 2020 6:57:36 GMT -5
Steve Yzerman has two young d-men in his lineup that are on ELCs and will probably be part of his plan moving forward; Mikhail Sergachev, LD, 22 years old, and Erik Cernak, RD, 23 years old ... if the Habs were to tender an offer sheet to either, I suspect they'd have a better chance at landing Cernak ... of the two, I can see Yzerman wanting to keep Sergachev as heir-apparent to Victor Hedman ... he'd have to do some juggling with the cap space, but at the same time, he'd probably have an easier time of matching an offer sheet on Cernak than he would on Sergachev ... as far as those draft picks go, it wouldn't surprise if we were to learn that Marc Bergevin, Trevor Timmins and Shayne Churla are working on a draft strategy that doesn't include drafting 14 players ... that might come across as waiting for "The Great Pumpkin" again (thanks, Phil), but I'm expecting Bergevin to either improve the team's drafting position or land a bonafide (insert whatever he's looking for here) ... we'll see, I guess ... Cheers. Sergechev I see the upside much higher. If he won't sign here Cernak could be a fall back option. You see another Chiarot type? Tampa be hard pressed to match on either. They are hard up against the cap now. Big increases to both is 10 million jump in salary cap. Offer sheet on Sergechev at 7 million, Tampa matches. Circle back and offer sheet at 6 million on Cernak? |
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 17, 2020 8:22:09 GMT -5
Pittsburgh, Minnesota, and Nashville have all publicly stated that they need to make significant changes this off-season, following disappointing first round upsets. Edmonton might also be in that category, though I don't think they've said anything out loud. Pittsburgh is rumored to be in cost-cutting mode, aiming for an internal cap in the mid-to-low 70s.
St. Louis, Tampa, Florida, Toronto, all figure to be in cap trouble. Teams like Arizona and the Islanders may be joining them.
There will not be a lot of time to get things done before the next season starts (assuming they are still planning on starting in December, which given the current state of the US seems to be rather optimistic). Things will have to happen quickly.
It figures to be a wild off-season.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Aug 17, 2020 13:17:27 GMT -5
While it is unlikely the Habs would offer Sergachev I have always believed MB jumped too quickly at that deal. I understand the need to get Drouin to help the scoring but he had fallen out of favour in Tampa and most likely could have been gotten for a lot less. Another young prospect plus a 2nd maybe.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 17, 2020 13:21:51 GMT -5
While it is unlikely the Habs would offer Sergachev I have always believed MB jumped too quickly at that deal. I understand the need to get Drouin to help the scoring but he had fallen out of favour in Tampa and most likely could have been gotten for a lot less. Another young prospect plus a 2nd maybe. Berg and his cohorts Saperlipopette the bed on that one... Yzerman must have had a huge chuckle and the rest of the GMs wished they were that lucky. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 17, 2020 19:42:14 GMT -5
Steve Yzerman has two young d-men in his lineup that are on ELCs and will probably be part of his plan moving forward; Mikhail Sergachev, LD, 22 years old, and Erik Cernak, RD, 23 years old ... if the Habs were to tender an offer sheet to either, I suspect they'd have a better chance at landing Cernak ... of the two, I can see Yzerman wanting to keep Sergachev as heir-apparent to Victor Hedman ... he'd have to do some juggling with the cap space, but at the same time, he'd probably have an easier time of matching an offer sheet on Cernak than he would on Sergachev ... as far as those draft picks go, it wouldn't surprise if we were to learn that Marc Bergevin, Trevor Timmins and Shayne Churla are working on a draft strategy that doesn't include drafting 14 players ... that might come across as waiting for "The Great Pumpkin" again (thanks, Phil), but I'm expecting Bergevin to either improve the team's drafting position or land a bonafide (insert whatever he's looking for here) ... we'll see, I guess ... Cheers. Sergechev I see the upside much higher. If he won't sign here Cernak could be a fall back option. You see another Chiarot type? Tampa be hard pressed to match on either. They are hard up against the cap now. Big increases to both is 10 million jump in salary cap. Offer sheet on Sergechev at 7 million, Tampa matches. Circle back and offer sheet at 6 million on Cernak? I'm honestly not all that sure Steve Yzerman would let either one of them go, GNick ... being as young and as talented as they are, it would surprise me if Yzerman didn't match any offer sheet on either of them ... Mikhail Sergachev will only get better, as will Erik Cernak ... I never thought about it, but a fair comparison for Cernak might be a younger version of Ben Chiarot ... his miscellaneous stats for this season, BS & hits, are comparable to Jeff Petry ... mind you, Cernak didn't match up when comparing TOI, but he's been playing behind Victor Hedman and Ryan McDonaugh ... Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 18, 2020 4:02:41 GMT -5
Steve Yzerman has two young d-men in his lineup that are on ELCs and will probably be part of his plan moving forward; Mikhail Sergachev, LD, 22 years old, and Erik Cernak, RD, 23 years old ... if the Habs were to tender an offer sheet to either, I suspect they'd have a better chance at landing Cernak ... of the two, I can see Yzerman wanting to keep Sergachev as heir-apparent to Victor Hedman ... he'd have to do some juggling with the cap space, but at the same time, he'd probably have an easier time of matching an offer sheet on Cernak than he would on Sergachev ... as far as those draft picks go, it wouldn't surprise if we were to learn that Marc Bergevin, Trevor Timmins and Shayne Churla are working on a draft strategy that doesn't include drafting 14 players ... that might come across as waiting for "The Great Pumpkin" again (thanks, Phil), but I'm expecting Bergevin to either improve the team's drafting position or land a bonafide (insert whatever he's looking for here) ... we'll see, I guess ... Cheers. Bergevin has a lower opinion of Russian players than he has of English coaches. |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 18, 2020 8:45:19 GMT -5
Sergechev I see the upside much higher. If he won't sign here Cernak could be a fall back option. You see another Chiarot type? Tampa be hard pressed to match on either. They are hard up against the cap now. Big increases to both is 10 million jump in salary cap. Offer sheet on Sergechev at 7 million, Tampa matches. Circle back and offer sheet at 6 million on Cernak? I'm honestly not all that sure Steve Yzerman would let either one of them go, GNick ... being as young and as talented as they are, it would surprise me if Yzerman didn't match any offer sheet on either of them ... Mikhail Sergachev will only get better, as will Erik Cernak ... I never thought about it, but a fair comparison for Cernak might be a younger version of Ben Chiarot ... his miscellaneous stats for this season, BS & hits, are comparable to Jeff Petry ... mind you, Cernak didn't match up when comparing TOI, but he's been playing behind Victor Hedman and Ryan McDonaugh ... Cheers. Tampa might not have much choice. They up against the Cap with RFA up this off season. Sergechev, Cernak and Cirelli. All will get big increases. I think there is good chance of getting one of their young players |
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 18, 2020 11:19:13 GMT -5
I'm honestly not all that sure Steve Yzerman would let either one of them go, GNick ... being as young and as talented as they are, it would surprise me if Yzerman didn't match any offer sheet on either of them ... Mikhail Sergachev will only get better, as will Erik Cernak ... I never thought about it, but a fair comparison for Cernak might be a younger version of Ben Chiarot ... his miscellaneous stats for this season, BS & hits, are comparable to Jeff Petry ... mind you, Cernak didn't match up when comparing TOI, but he's been playing behind Victor Hedman and Ryan McDonaugh ... Cheers. Tampa might not have much choice. They up against the Cap with RFA up this off season. Sergechev, Cernak and Cirelli. All will get big increases. I think there is good chance of getting one of their young players Brisebois will just trade a Kilhorn, McDonaugh, Shattenkirk or a Tyler Johnson away. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 18, 2020 12:37:12 GMT -5
Johnson the most likely suspect. He's a lot like Yanni Gourde and how many of those types of players do you need? (See Habs for Exhibit A). Here's a thought (from the guy who loves taking risks with other peoples' money). Why not trade Stamkos? 30 years old, injury prone. He will still have value and could garner Brisebois some young, cheap talent. It also frees up $8.5MM and the team is doing ok without him right now. Are they good enough to go all the way without him? Who knows, but if you're facing a cash crunch, he's an obvious solution. While he's been ok in the playoffs, his ppg drops from 1.04 to .76 when the playoffs start.
Having said that, I personally have no interest in taking on Stamkos and his contract. Too old. He'lll be 31 in January and like some other players on the Habs, just doesn't line up age wise. Besides, didn't I say he's injury prone?
PS. Another team paying way too much for a goaltender.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 18, 2020 12:59:16 GMT -5
Tampa might not have much choice. They up against the Cap with RFA up this off season. Sergechev, Cernak and Cirelli. All will get big increases. I think there is good chance of getting one of their young players Brisebois will just trade a Kilhorn, McDonaugh, Shattenkirk or a Tyler Johnson away. Shattenkirk is a UFA, so they'll just let him go anyways. The other three have NTC. For all the praise Yzerman and Brisebois got for building the Lightning they sure did like handing out long term contracts with no trade clauses. They have nine (!!) players with a NMC or NTC, and that does NOT include either Kucherov or Vasilevskiy, neither of whom are likely to be moved. If you take away Shattenkirk for all intents and purposes they have 10 players that will not be moved. Unless they can convince one of those remaining eight NTC players to waive their NTC to leave a Cup contending team in a state with beautiful weather and no taxes... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 18, 2020 13:25:02 GMT -5
I'm honestly not all that sure Steve Yzerman would let either one of them go, GNick ... being as young and as talented as they are, it would surprise me if Yzerman didn't match any offer sheet on either of them ... Mikhail Sergachev will only get better, as will Erik Cernak ... I never thought about it, but a fair comparison for Cernak might be a younger version of Ben Chiarot ... his miscellaneous stats for this season, BS & hits, are comparable to Jeff Petry ... mind you, Cernak didn't match up when comparing TOI, but he's been playing behind Victor Hedman and Ryan McDonaugh ... Cheers. Tampa might not have much choice. They up against the Cap with RFA up this off season. Sergechev, Cernak and Cirelli. All will get big increases. I think there is good chance of getting one of their young players True enough, GNick ... it'll be up to Steve Yzerman as to how he'll free up that cap space, and as TD pointed out, he does have a few options at his disposal ... that said, Tampa wouldn't be the only team I'm looking at ... Detroit is up against the cap as well and Anthony Mantha is a homegrown talent who's also an RFA ... yet, he's a big part of Detroit's identity and, like Tampa, I think the Red Wings would do what they have just to keep him ... Edmonton is up against the cap, as well, and Andreas Athanasiou is an RFA ... the upside is that he's a former 30-goal scorer, but what makes me leery is that he was -45 (in 46 games, no less!) with Detroit prior to arriving in Edmonton ... that kind of stat suggests to me that he may not be all that committed to the 200-ft game the Habs like in their players ... mind you, with 14 draft picks MB doesn't have to focus solely on offer sheets to improve the team ... Willie Dog already posted the Montreal/Pittsburgh rumour, but I'm willing to bet there are other irons in the fire, as well ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 18, 2020 14:26:22 GMT -5
I'd take Athanasiou in a heartbeat... hes shown he can score, he just needs a good centre.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Aug 19, 2020 9:42:43 GMT -5
I would love seeing Anthony Mantha in a Habs uniform. He is big, can skate and has a cannon of a shot. Athanasiou is incredibly fast so seeing him on Suzuki's wing would not be a bad sight either.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 19, 2020 10:04:28 GMT -5
Lebrun was on radio. He said due to covid 19, a lot of teams will be cutting salaries. He expects many players available who we totally do not expect
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 19, 2020 10:07:25 GMT -5
I would love seeing Anthony Mantha in a Habs uniform. He is big, can skate and has a cannon of a shot. Athanasiou is incredibly fast so seeing him on Suzuki's wing would not be a bad sight either. I heard Oilers fan say they may not offer him a contract. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 19, 2020 12:57:54 GMT -5
I would love seeing Anthony Mantha in a Habs uniform. He is big, can skate and has a cannon of a shot. Athanasiou is incredibly fast so seeing him on Suzuki's wing would not be a bad sight either. I heard Oilers fan say they may not offer him a contract. Cap space and lingering questions about the mobility of their defence that Chicago exposed in the play-ins. Holland has some work to do this off season. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 19, 2020 13:54:16 GMT -5
Mantha would be nice. Unfortunately, I think that I heard Yzerman say the big winger is part of their core and they will figure out a contract even if the negotiations are slow.
Athanasiou frustrates coaches because the speed and skill suggests he has more to give. I would take a chance on him if the price was relatively modest. Holland just paid two seconds and the asset depreciated a bit so something like Byron and a fourth or Hudon, a second (St. Louis) and a fourth.
Bergevin has to alter the status quo, staying married to the current group of wingers is not a smart option, as a group they are just too small and devoid of high end goal scoring.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 19, 2020 14:14:44 GMT -5
Mantha would be nice. Unfortunately, I think that I heard Yzerman say the big winger is part of their core and they will figure out a contract even if the negotiations are slow. Athanasiou frustrates coaches because the speed and skill suggests he has more to give. I would take a chance on him if the price was relatively modest. Holland just paid two seconds and the asset depreciated a bit so something like Byron and a fourth or Hudon, a second (St. Louis) and a fourth. Bergevin has to alter the status quo, staying married to the current group of wingers is not a smart option, as a group they are just too small and devoid of high end goal scoring. Canadiens to address puck procession and heaviness. Mantha be great fit but I see zero chance he is available. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 19, 2020 14:55:56 GMT -5
I would love seeing Anthony Mantha in a Habs uniform. He is big, can skate and has a cannon of a shot. Athanasiou is incredibly fast so seeing him on Suzuki's wing would not be a bad sight either. I would love if Scarlett Johansen showed up on my doorstep clad only in spiked heels and a jaunty hat. Sorry, just fantasizing. Seriously, Mantha would look good in a Habs uni as would several other scorers. Any thoughts as to whether Yzerman would give him up and what he'd ask for? I doubt he'd come cheap. Also, the fact he has local roots would surely raise the price. Yzerman's done that before. |
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Post by franko on Aug 19, 2020 15:13:07 GMT -5
I would love if Scarlett Johansen showed up on my doorstep clad only in spiked heels and a jaunty hat. I don't think the HabsRus code of ethics (or my own code of ethics) allow the posting of the actual video about that jaunty hat |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 22, 2020 6:20:56 GMT -5
Mantha would be nice. Unfortunately, I think that I heard Yzerman say the big winger is part of their core and they will figure out a contract even if the negotiations are slow. Athanasiou frustrates coaches because the speed and skill suggests he has more to give. I would take a chance on him if the price was relatively modest. Holland just paid two seconds and the asset depreciated a bit so something like Byron and a fourth or Hudon, a second (St. Louis) and a fourth. Bergevin has to alter the status quo, staying married to the current group of wingers is not a smart option, as a group they are just too small and devoid of high end goal scoring. I see Athanasious as no go for me. Think Habs be looking for elite scorer to play with Koktaniemi. Huberdeau, Gaudreau, Mantha that type of player. Chance Bergs may trade Domi for #1 pick, I would consider trading Petry for #1 pick as well. Gives us 3# 1 picks and enough caproom to take a run at a star offensive player to play with Koktaniemi and lock our remaining 3 UFAs next year up long term. In Gallagher, Armia, Danault. Or 3 first picks maybe we could swing a deal for a top 2 pick? |
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Post by folatre on Aug 22, 2020 7:14:37 GMT -5
I do not question the body of work of Gallagher's career, but the post-season makes me wonder about what lengths Montreal should go to re-sign him. He will be 29 when his next contract kicks in and frankly I consider 7 x 7 to be bad business for the club considering age, injuries, peak productivity (54 points), and playoff productivity (11 goals in 49 games).
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Post by seventeen on Aug 22, 2020 13:10:53 GMT -5
That is the quandary, no? How good will a 33 year old Gallagher be? A 35 year old Gallagher? I think his contract has to be part of a bigger strategy. Of the veteran group, who do you proceed with? Where is the organization strong so you can deal from that strength? A lot of questions answer themselves once you've got a plan.
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