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Post by Willie Dog on May 7, 2024 19:07:48 GMT -5
It's time to make a serious hockey trade and bring home our home boy. Our 5th for Dubois.  Sold says Marc Burgerbrain |
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Post by Cranky on May 7, 2024 19:12:51 GMT -5
The question of the minute...
If Demidov and Lindstrom is gone, are we picking Luvshunov, Silayev or going to take Kotkaneimi, err, Catton?
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Post by Willie Dog on May 7, 2024 19:35:37 GMT -5
The question of the minute... If Demidov and Lindstrom is gone, are we picking Luvshunov, Silayev or going to take Kotkaneimi, err, Catton? Iginla -skill, character, heart |
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Post by folatre on May 7, 2024 19:36:27 GMT -5
I hear you, IamC. The overall dispersion of so many scouts' evaluations of the 2-10 (or maybe 2-12) range prospects makes it seem at face value that trades should be more possible. But when one studies the post-lockout NHL, teams opting to back up out of the pick they occupy in the top ten just does not happen. I guess that speaks to the fact that GMs and Directors of Amateur Scouting trust their ability to discern why they prefer kid C instead of kids B, D, E, F and G.
Thinking of the Habs, for example, what if Hughes based on his player ranking had no preference between Inginla, Catton, Dickinson, Parekh, and Eiserman. Okay then, so if they are all sitting there at #5 and Ronnie Francis calls him and says hey Kent could you drop down to #8 if I give you my second rounder. If Montreal's GM was truly indifferent to five different kids on the board, then he would probably agree to that deal provided no other suitor offered something better.
However, in reality, my sense is most organizations and scouting departments actually develop relatively strong entrenched preferences among kids who many outside observers see as being more or less equal. Therefore, I would be surprised if the Habs traded down. After all, by some accounts, Montreal had opportunities to trade down out of #5 and Hughes was not willing.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 7, 2024 19:38:38 GMT -5
I hear you, IamC. The overall dispersion of so many scouts' evaluations of the 2-10 (or maybe 2-12) range prospects makes it seem at face value that trades should be more possible. But when one studies the post-lockout NHL, teams opting to back up out of the pick they occupy in the top ten just does not happen. I guess that speaks to the fact that GMs and Directors of Amateur Scouting trust their ability to discern why they prefer kid C instead of kids B, D, E, F and G. Thinking of the Habs, for example, what if Hughes based on his player ranking had no preference between Inginla, Catton, Dickinson, Parekh, and Eiserman. Okay then, so if they are all sitting there at #5 and Ronnie Francis calls him and says hey Kent could you drop down to #8 if I give you my second rounder. If Montreal's GM was truly indifferent to five different kids on the board, then he would probably agree to that deal provided no other suitor offered something better. However, in reality, my sense is most organizations and scouting departments actually develop relatively strong entrenched preferences among kids who many outside observers see as being more or less equal. Therefore, I would be surprised if the Habs traded down. After all, by some accounts, Montreal had opportunities to trade down out of #5 and Hughes was not willing. He was not willing based on what was offered... if a great offer came in I think he would |
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Post by franko on May 7, 2024 22:11:05 GMT -5
The question of the minute... If Demidov and Lindstrom is gone, are we picking Luvshunov, Silayev or going to take Kotkaneimi, err, Catton? Iginla -skill, character, heart This |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 7, 2024 22:11:25 GMT -5
I'm starting to lean to Ignila as my pick assuming demidov is off the table.
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Post by franko on May 7, 2024 22:12:24 GMT -5
It's time to make a serious hockey trade and bring home our home boy. Our 5th for Dubois. Rounder? |
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Post by seventeen on May 7, 2024 23:45:18 GMT -5
I heard something crazy to the effect that if Anaheim does not take a future top pair RHD that Patty Verbeek absolutely loves Helenius. That would be a shocker. I read or heard that too, somewhere. In some circles, Helenius is loved. Not big at 5'11, 180 (not much different from Catton) he's regarded as defensively responsible. I'm not sure I understand the attraction in comparison to Catton. The big difference is defensive awareness, something that can be taught if the student is willing. What is more difficult to teach is scoring. Helenius had 36 points in 51 games in the Finnish Liiga. That's not bad, but that league may not even be as competitive as the Swiss National League. In any case, I would love it if Verbeek took Helenius. That might get the party going as it's bound to be highly unpredictable. Can't wait for the draft itself. |
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Post by seventeen on May 7, 2024 23:48:08 GMT -5
I hear you, IamC. The overall dispersion of so many scouts' evaluations of the 2-10 (or maybe 2-12) range prospects makes it seem at face value that trades should be more possible. But when one studies the post-lockout NHL, teams opting to back up out of the pick they occupy in the top ten just does not happen. I guess that speaks to the fact that GMs and Directors of Amateur Scouting trust their ability to discern why they prefer kid C instead of kids B, D, E, F and G. Thinking of the Habs, for example, what if Hughes based on his player ranking had no preference between Inginla, Catton, Dickinson, Parekh, and Eiserman. Okay then, so if they are all sitting there at #5 and Ronnie Francis calls him and says hey Kent could you drop down to #8 if I give you my second rounder. If Montreal's GM was truly indifferent to five different kids on the board, then he would probably agree to that deal provided no other suitor offered something better. However, in reality, my sense is most organizations and scouting departments actually develop relatively strong entrenched preferences among kids who many outside observers see as being more or less equal. Therefore, I would be surprised if the Habs traded down. After all, by some accounts, Montreal had opportunities to trade down out of #5 and Hughes was not willing. He was not willing based on what was offered... if a great offer came in I think he would If I was going from 5th to 8th, I'd want a first rounder around 20 and only if I had 5 guys left and was dropping just 3 picks |
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Post by seventeen on May 7, 2024 23:51:14 GMT -5
The question of the minute... If Demidov and Lindstrom is gone, are we picking Luvshunov, Silayev or going to take Kotkaneimi, err, Catton? Catton can skate. It's KK's kryptonite weakness, just like Galchenyuk. Catton is a lot like Barzal who had 57 points in 44 games in his draft year. Barzal's bigger but I don't know his dimensions at age 17. To continue the Barzal comparison, Matt might have scored more with a different coach than Kevin Constantine who is (was?) the defensive devil incarnate. The Seattle Thuderbirds in 2015 had some decent players...Shea Theodore, Keegan Kolesar, Ethan Bear. They were a .590 team compared to Catton's .485 Portland Winterhawks. The issue is that if Catton was 6'1" 195 lbs. San Jose would have to choose between two guys who are almost identical. It all boils down to size. I wonder how big Catton's parents and grandparents are? Maybe he can borrow Hutson's endocrinologist. PS. Was chuckling because in 2013 when Bergevin emphasized size, their best draft pick was 5' 11" Artturi Lehkonen who weighs in at 179 lbs. Just sayin'. |
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Post by Polarice on May 8, 2024 9:26:55 GMT -5
Can't see us trading up to get someone like Demidov when there are players like Lindstrom, Catton or even Ignila are going to be available. All these players have the same upsides so getting anyone of them will be great.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 8, 2024 9:55:32 GMT -5
I'm starting to lean to Ignila as my pick assuming demidov is off the table. I keep reminding myself that the 17 year old we pick won’t help us for two years and will fight to make the roster. Our team has more talent than spots available. We are about to challenge for a playoff run (14 to 16th). We are picking a future contender and not a candidate to fill a current need. Eiserman has the highest ceiling and risk. Catton is safe. Between those two I trust our scouts and management more than myself. I’m going off reports not interviews and observations. Good luck team. |
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Post by Cranky on May 8, 2024 11:52:31 GMT -5
So basically people are advocating taking a player because of need rather then BPA.
Do you realize that Levshunov is picked as a surefire top 2 RHD WITH offence. His value in a trade will be off the charts in a few years.
What would Makar or Hughes fetch in a trade? Not even Suzuki can match their value.
Think Fantilli for Levs level of trade.
Asset Management is cold blooded...
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Post by seventeen on May 8, 2024 12:08:27 GMT -5
So basically people are advocating taking a player because of need rather then BPA. Do you realize that Levshunov is picked as a surefire top 2 RHD WITH offence. His value in a trade will be off the charts in a few years. What would Makar or Hughes fetch in a trade? Not even Suzuki can match their value. Think Fantilli for Levs level of trade. Asset Management is cold blooded... That's why I think Levshunov will be gone. Another Dman will also likely be taken in the top 4 (Parekh and Buium have some real fans) and even Silayev has that Chara like potential). Once you get past Levshunov, the remaining D, while having some amazing capability or other also have some warts. Buium was supposed to be a defensive monster against Boston College in the Frozen 4 final, constantly matched up against Perreault, Leonard and Smith. BC had some highly talented forwards (but not many top notch defensemen). That too is a signal that if a defenseman is more highly rated at 5 and it's not that close, that picking the Dman might be optimal. As Cranky says, the trade potential is there, or if that guy is better than the guys we have right now, those guys could form a package to trade for a top 6 forward. I'm guessing that if Demidov or Lindstrom are available, Habs make the pick. If not, throw the dart, boys. I would love to snag Demidov, but that hope probably matches winning the lottery. Sheesh, I still can't get excited about Lindstrom. I'd pick Iginla or Catton ahead of him. I've seen more of the latter two, though, so I am surely biased. |
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Post by Andrew on May 8, 2024 12:28:53 GMT -5
So basically people are advocating taking a player because of need rather then BPA. Do you realize that Levshunov is picked as a surefire top 2 RHD WITH offence. His value in a trade will be off the charts in a few years. What would Makar or Hughes fetch in a trade? Not even Suzuki can match their value. Think Fantilli for Levs level of trade. Asset Management is cold blooded... That's why I think Levshunov will be gone. Another Dman will also likely be taken in the top 4 (Parekh and Buium have some real fans) and even Silayev has that Chara like potential). Once you get past Levshunov, the remaining D, while having some amazing capability or other also have some warts. Buium was supposed to be a defensive monster against Boston College in the Frozen 4 final, constantly matched up against Perreault, Leonard and Smith. BC had some highly talented forwards (but not many top notch defensemen). That too is a signal that if a defenseman is more highly rated at 5 and it's not that close, that picking the Dman might be optimal. As Cranky says, the trade potential is there, or if that guy is better than the guys we have right now, those guys could form a package to trade for a top 6 forward. I'm guessing that if Demidov or Lindstrom are available, Habs make the pick. If not, throw the dart, boys. I would love to snag Demidov, but that hope probably matches winning the lottery. Sheesh, I still can't get excited about Lindstrom. I'd pick Iginla or Catton ahead of him. I've seen more of the latter two, though, so I am surely biased. I'm also wary of drafting Lindstrom for a few reasons. 1. Injuries: we've got enough injury prone players on our roster. If a player has missed significant time in his draft year to more than 1 significant injury that's a huge red flag. We need our impact players to be on the roster and not on the IR. 2. Hockey Sense: Pronman's rankings had "below average" for Lindstrom's hockey sense. Big, fast forward with below average hockey sense? No thanks. We've already got enough Josh Andersons on our roster. 3. Timeline: In general bigger players take longer to figure it out (e.g. Nichushkin took about 350 games). There are always exceptions (Slaf!), but I'd rather not risk having to wait up to 5 years for this pick to be a key contributor. |
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Post by jkr on May 8, 2024 13:13:30 GMT -5
That's why I think Levshunov will be gone. Another Dman will also likely be taken in the top 4 (Parekh and Buium have some real fans) and even Silayev has that Chara like potential). Once you get past Levshunov, the remaining D, while having some amazing capability or other also have some warts. Buium was supposed to be a defensive monster against Boston College in the Frozen 4 final, constantly matched up against Perreault, Leonard and Smith. BC had some highly talented forwards (but not many top notch defensemen). That too is a signal that if a defenseman is more highly rated at 5 and it's not that close, that picking the Dman might be optimal. As Cranky says, the trade potential is there, or if that guy is better than the guys we have right now, those guys could form a package to trade for a top 6 forward. I'm guessing that if Demidov or Lindstrom are available, Habs make the pick. If not, throw the dart, boys. I would love to snag Demidov, but that hope probably matches winning the lottery. Sheesh, I still can't get excited about Lindstrom. I'd pick Iginla or Catton ahead of him. I've seen more of the latter two, though, so I am surely biased. I'm also wary of drafting Lindstrom for a few reasons. 1. Injuries: we've got enough injury prone players on our roster. If a player has missed significant time in his draft year to more than 1 significant injury that's a huge red flag. We need our impact players to be on the roster and not on the IR. 2. Hockey Sense: Pronman's rankings had "below average" for Lindstrom's hockey sense. Big, fast forward with below average hockey sense? No thanks. We've already got enough Josh Andersons on our roster. 3. Timeline: In general bigger players take longer to figure it out (e.g. Nichushkin took about 350 games). There are always exceptions (Slaf!), but I'd rather not risk having to wait up to 5 years for this pick to be a key contributor. Agree especially when it comes to injuries. I saw this morning that Lindstrom has already been dealing with a herniated disc and he's only 18. The guy could be dealing with chronic back problems and who need that. |
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Post by seventeen on May 8, 2024 14:35:24 GMT -5
I'm also wary of drafting Lindstrom for a few reasons. 1. Injuries: we've got enough injury prone players on our roster. If a player has missed significant time in his draft year to more than 1 significant injury that's a huge red flag. We need our impact players to be on the roster and not on the IR. 2. Hockey Sense: Pronman's rankings had "below average" for Lindstrom's hockey sense. Big, fast forward with below average hockey sense? No thanks. We've already got enough Josh Andersons on our roster. 3. Timeline: In general bigger players take longer to figure it out (e.g. Nichushkin took about 350 games). There are always exceptions (Slaf!), but I'd rather not risk having to wait up to 5 years for this pick to be a key contributor. Agree especially when it comes to injuries. I saw this morning that Lindstrom has already been dealing with a herniated disc and he's only 18. The guy could be dealing with chronic back problems and who need that. Might be ideal if he's picked before we're up. The flip side of the coin is that his injuries are behind him and he's a stud. Decisions, decisions. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 8, 2024 16:46:26 GMT -5
I'm also wary of drafting Lindstrom for a few reasons. 1. Injuries: we've got enough injury prone players on our roster. If a player has missed significant time in his draft year to more than 1 significant injury that's a huge red flag. We need our impact players to be on the roster and not on the IR. 2. Hockey Sense: Pronman's rankings had "below average" for Lindstrom's hockey sense. Big, fast forward with below average hockey sense? No thanks. We've already got enough Josh Andersons on our roster. 3. Timeline: In general bigger players take longer to figure it out (e.g. Nichushkin took about 350 games). There are always exceptions (Slaf!), but I'd rather not risk having to wait up to 5 years for this pick to be a key contributor. Agree especially when it comes to injuries. I saw this morning that Lindstrom has already been dealing with a herniated disc and he's only 18. The guy could be dealing with chronic back problems and who need that. Bakula, in his latest draft ranking, has Lindstrom at 11 behind Iginla and catton |
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Post by IamCanadiens on May 8, 2024 18:10:16 GMT -5
Agree especially when it comes to injuries. I saw this morning that Lindstrom has already been dealing with a herniated disc and he's only 18. The guy could be dealing with chronic back problems and who need that. Might be ideal if he's picked before we're up. The flip side of the coin is that his injuries are behind him and he's a stud. Decisions, decisions. It's like scouts are hired to make these tough decisions or something. Check that, it's like scouts are hired to inform management to enable them make tough decisions or something. |
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Post by Cranky on May 8, 2024 18:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on May 8, 2024 19:08:39 GMT -5
Bakula, in his latest draft ranking, has Lindstrom at 11 behind Iginla and catton Even 11th is too high. A power forward with a herniated disk is one hit away from a career ender. Period. End of story. I'm sorry for him and all that, but the Habs are not a warm cuddly place were we hand out pension plans for retiring "stars" and hopium for injured players. This would be a mistake on the level of trading for PLDonkey. (BTW...a background story. I had a heavy drinking supervisor who one bright and early Monday morning hurt himself on the job. Workmans Comp hit me with a huge rate increase on all my staff. When I complained that I was trying to help him and it's actually promoted by them, the WC agent told me that I should know better then that. Lesson learned.) |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 12, 2024 21:02:46 GMT -5
I've been tracking PLDonkey all season. He's been an absolute disaster for LA and partially responsible for the team losing focus and early success. He's radioactive trash. Poison. There is no scenario where he comes into a young team like the Habs and doesn't poison the locker room with his selfish, trash attitude. You heard of leadership? His is animal farm. You heard of effort? His is to cash his big fat checks. You heard of desire? His died a painful death. How many ways can i say i don't want him on our team? Jump to the 4 minute mark if this video, interesting stuff |
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Post by Cranky on May 12, 2024 23:20:36 GMT -5
It's called Enron'ing. Remember the value of Enron stock in the end? I paid a bunch of people to make videos that further destroys PLDonkeys reputation to the point that LA will pay us to take him. Figure that 4 1st rounders and 50% retention should do it. You can thank me later... |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 13, 2024 0:54:27 GMT -5
Bakula, in his latest draft ranking, has Lindstrom at 11 behind Iginla and catton Even 11th is too high. A power forward with a herniated disk is one hit away from a career ender. Period. End of story. I'm sorry for him and all that, but the Habs are not a warm cuddly place were we hand out pension plans for retiring "stars" and hopium for injured players. This would be a mistake on the level of trading for PLDonkey. (BTW...a background story. I had a heavy drinking supervisor who one bright and early Monday morning hurt himself on the job. Workmans Comp hit me with a huge rate increase on all my staff. When I complained that I was trying to help him and it's actually promoted by them, the WC agent told me that I should know better then that. Lesson learned.) Demidov is half the player that Michkov was and twice the player that Reinbacher is. We could have had him and missed out. Michkov is closer to coming over. Let’s not miss out on Eiserman. He may be a bust or a superstar in 3 years. We need greatness. A bust won’t really hurt us as we are deep in very good and shallow in great. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 13, 2024 4:54:29 GMT -5
It's called Enron'ing. Remember the value of Enron stock in the end? I paid a bunch of people to make videos that further destroys PLDonkeys reputation to the point that LA will pay us to take him. Figure that 4 1st rounders and 50% retention should do it. You can thank me later... Lol... I'm sure you did |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 13, 2024 12:09:46 GMT -5
It's called Enron'ing. Remember the value of Enron stock in the end? I paid a bunch of people to make videos that further destroys PLDonkeys reputation to the point that LA will pay us to take him. Figure that 4 1st rounders and 50% retention should do it. You can thank me later... Lol... I'm sure you did Time for his agent to post a video saying he wants to play for Montreal, he loves the city and French people. |
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Post by Cranky on May 13, 2024 12:50:02 GMT -5
It's called Enron'ing. Remember the value of Enron stock in the end? I paid a bunch of people to make videos that further destroys PLDonkeys reputation to the point that LA will pay us to take him. Figure that 4 1st rounders and 50% retention should do it. You can thank me later... Lol... I'm sure you did I have principles. I never lie, i just adjust the truth... I saw that video and not sure what to make of it. To be that influential to team outcomes, he must be one hell of a pied piper or the example he sets just brings the entire team down. If that was the case then Blake is the worse GM in the league for not finding out what he bought. What i do know now is that he's a full, no question about it 3rd strike out...and out of the picture as a Hab. At any price. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 13, 2024 13:06:02 GMT -5
Time for his agent to post a video saying he wants to play for Montreal, he loves the city and French people. And he's dreamed of playing for the Habs his whole life... just like he dreamed of playing for the Kings... 2 faced Saperlipopette |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 13, 2024 13:07:10 GMT -5
I have principles. I never lie, i just adjust the truth... I saw that video and not sure what to make of it. To be that influential to team outcomes, he must be one hell of a pied piper or the example he sets just brings the entire team down. If that was the case then Blake is the worse GM in the league for not finding out what he bought. What i do know now is that he's a full, no question about it 3rd strike out...and out of the picture as a Hab. At any price. He's a room killer, I don't even think Marty magic would work because that leopard will never change his spots |
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