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Post by seventeen on May 13, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
PLD shows the signs of being a self centred jerk, much more interested in personal credit and attention than success of the team. That attitude is so contrary to that of most other players, that it is indeed a chemistry buzzkill.
I've used this story before, but I once had a subordinate in a position of power who abused it, and loved to create dissent and chaos. It took forever to get rid of them and once we did, my staff approval ratings went through the roof. I was never as good as those ratings, but the rebound effect was massive. PLD is that person and Blake is basically going to have to send him to the AHL or ECHL and eat the salary and CAP issues.
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Post by seventeen on May 13, 2024 14:38:09 GMT -5
I heard of a tactic today based on The Athletic's mock draft where they had the Habs trading with Calgary to drop from 5 to 9 and somehow still getting Tij Iginla. The blogger didn't elaborate a lot, but the gist of the tactic was requiring Calgary to take Anderson. Instead of gaining another pick, the cost was ridding the Habs of a bad contract. Maybe it's not Calgary, but if one of the teams behind Montreal (Utah, Ottawa, Seattle) has a defenseman they love and are worried they'll be gone by their pick, it makes a lot of sense to move down a bit, but still have a shot at Sennecke, Catton, Helenius and get rid of Anderson's contract. Is that worth it? You'd have to feel those players available at 5 to 9 are all on the same level. Interesting idea, though. It also opens up a RW spot, so you can fit in Slaf, Roy, Armia and Gallagher without line-up concerns, while adding a forward to the pipeline.
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Post by Cranky on May 13, 2024 16:38:36 GMT -5
It makes a hell of a lot more sense for the Habs to pick who they want and then make the deal rather then a high risk move that a certain player will be there 4 picks later.
Hughes can not screw up this pick which may be the last one in the top 10. Or not...
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Post by habsorbed on May 13, 2024 23:58:40 GMT -5
If you don't have any preference between the players available for the 5 to 10 pick then trade up (or is ir down?). But otherwise, take the BPA. None of these picks are going to be of much significance to the team for 3 or 4 years and likely more. To say we need a forward now so we're picking a forward in this draft is plain dumb. If four years from now you need a forward because Beck, Roy, Mesar. and others have not panned out, then trade the BPA, or whoever thta BPA has replaced, for that forward.
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Post by seventeen on May 14, 2024 14:40:13 GMT -5
According to Basu and Godin, the last time a team traded down was 2008. The Isles traded their #8 pick to Nashville for their #10 pick plus the #40 pick. Nashville was hot to trot for Colin Wilson and the Islanders ended up with Josh Bailey. Bailey has played 400+ games more than Wilson and counting, so I guess trading down worked well that time. As was mentioned before, if instead of a draft pick you traded down and moved Anderson's contract and still got the guy you wanted, that's a good deal.
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Post by Skilly on May 14, 2024 17:15:02 GMT -5
Even 11th is too high. A power forward with a herniated disk is one hit away from a career ender. Period. End of story. I'm sorry for him and all that, but the Habs are not a warm cuddly place were we hand out pension plans for retiring "stars" and hopium for injured players. This would be a mistake on the level of trading for PLDonkey. (BTW...a background story. I had a heavy drinking supervisor who one bright and early Monday morning hurt himself on the job. Workmans Comp hit me with a huge rate increase on all my staff. When I complained that I was trying to help him and it's actually promoted by them, the WC agent told me that I should know better then that. Lesson learned.) Demidov is half the player that Michkov was and twice the player that Reinbacher is. We could have had him and missed out. Michkov is closer to coming over. Let’s not miss out on Eiserman. He may be a bust or a superstar in 3 years. We need greatness. A bust won’t really hurt us as we are deep in very good and shallow in great. I’m not sure if you are saying you want Eiserman or not. But Eiserman is 5th on my list out of the 5 possible forwards we could draft. |
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Post by seventeen on May 14, 2024 23:30:40 GMT -5
I’m not sure if you are saying you want Eiserman or not. But Eiserman is 5th on my list out of the 5 possible forwards we could draft. After watching him a bit at the UI18's I don't think he's even that high on mine. Demidov Iginla Catton Sennecke Helenius Lindstrom (those back issues are very worrisome) |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 15, 2024 17:46:44 GMT -5
Demidov is half the player that Michkov was and twice the player that Reinbacher is. We could have had him and missed out. Michkov is closer to coming over. Let’s not miss out on Eiserman. He may be a bust or a superstar in 3 years. We need greatness. A bust won’t really hurt us as we are deep in very good and shallow in great. I’m not sure if you are saying you want Eiserman or not. But Eiserman is 5th on my list out of the 5 possible forwards we could draft. 1 celebrini 2 Demidov 3 Eiserman 4 Catton We should get one of these. Eiserman scores and Catton skater and scores. Eiserman has size and grit whereas Catton is less of a risk with lower upside. Less focus on interviews as all players are schooled on what to say. |
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Post by folatre on May 15, 2024 19:14:15 GMT -5
Eiserman is not a grizzly, but sure he is stout enough that he should be able to take a hit and give a hit, but I have not heard any scouts describe his game as gritty. And the bigger critique is that he does not take defensive positioning and assignments all that seriously.
Eiserman could be a steal in the 10-15 range, but for me he really looks like a risky pick at #5.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 15, 2024 19:30:47 GMT -5
Eiserman is not a grizzly, but sure he is stout enough that he should be able to take a hit and give a hit, but I have not heard any scouts describe his game as gritty. And the bigger critique is that he does not take defensive positioning and assignments all that seriously. Eiserman could be a steal in the 10-15 range, but for me he really looks like a risky pick at #5. I recall him being described as strong and gritty but not an aggressive hitter. I remind myself that the objective is not to win the draft but rather to build a team. If a player is picked at 5 or 15 the objective is to build the team. Out of 10 picks if two make the team and one becomes great the draft is successful. A risky bet may look like a mistake but a home run outweighs 8 mistakes. |
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Post by habsorbed on May 21, 2024 0:37:29 GMT -5
In a vacuum, you’re absolutely right. But in reality, are you convinced that Hutson will be better than Levshunov? Or Parekh, or Yakemchuk? Management needs to be convinced that he’ll overcome his deficiencies in the NHL enough to become Norris caliber Dman. Myself, I have doubts about his skating ability and how he’ll stand up to the long playoff wars. I know he’s a gamer, but everyone in the playoffs is a gamer, and the nhl isn’t kind to small offensive defensemen with so-so skating. I want Hutson on the team for the entertainment value, but if he’s an exploitable weak link in the playoffs, I would be ok to move him if we could draft one of the top RHD’s in this upcoming draft. But ultimately it’s about what we can get in return and whether Management is convinced that Hutson has enough hockey iq in him to thrive in the nhl. Because a small 45 pt PP specialist that needs to play sheltered minutes doesn’t get us closer to a cup imo. I have a sense it is much easier to be a smallish dman now, more than ever. I will be watching Quinn Hughes with interest this playoff to see if he can be neutralized as he is a smallish dman about the same size as Lane. A team like the Preds will be a good test. I think Quinn will do quite well. If so, the question becomes, is Lane a Quinn? I think he is. Lane's stats in college are far superior to Quinn's. And what I saw the first 2 games of Lane, tells me this guy is the real deal. Now, I have to admit, you could probably find a post of mine a few years ago about this time of year saying Ryan Pohling was going to be a Hart Trophy winner.  But what's life without hope? Let's see how Quinn performs in playoff hockey. Well, we've now had a chance to watch Quinn in the playoffs and he was a bust. Canuck fans were all over Pedersson but Hughes was the real no show; and he is their captain. 10 assists in 13 games. I guess that's OK but you need more than that from your Norris candidate. Bottom line: Quinn was neutralized. Was it because of his size or his mindset? Perhaps I got it wrong saying small dmen can thrive in the NHL now. Perhaps in the regular season but playoffs are a different animal. Perhaps Lane can be the break through  |
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Post by seventeen on May 21, 2024 12:49:50 GMT -5
Hughes' first foray into the playoffs was in 2020 with 2-14-16 in 17 games and no one thought he was a bust then. I still wonder if he was playing injured. He took an early hit in the Nashville series which made me wonder if something had happened, but we won't find out unless Vancouver announces who is getting surgery for what. I'm hesitant to say you can't have small dmen in the playoffs, because Sam Girard looked really good for Colorado. Adam Fox has normally been a stalwart for the Rangers in the playoffs, but this season he only has 4 assists in 10 games. I think smaller guys can function if they're skilled enough (all the 3 guys above and hopefully Hutson), but we all know the NHL playoffs are a grind. This is mostly because guys like Colon Campbell instructs the referees to let the players play. In other words, hold back offense and let your bigger goofs hold and tackle as much as they like because fans hate whistles. It's a short sighted view. Sure we want the games to flow, but cheating is cheating and should be penalized. If there are enough natural consequences (short term pain), the lesson will be learned and smaller, faster, more skilled guys will find their way into the league and it will be a lot more fun.
I digress because it's a soap box topic for me. But in today's real world, bigger in the playoffs works to a large extent. You can only ice so many smaller guys because the bigger guys have been told to run them through the boards and it being the only thing they can do better than the little guys, they excel at it. I'm referring to 3rd and 4th line guys of course. Bigger top 6 usually have more skill and can't afford to be smashing everyone.
This is something Hughes and Gorton have focused on from the beginning. Outside of Mesar (who I still think was picked to help make Slaf's transition easier), the Habs have drafted larger, earlier. Slaf, Reinbacher (instead of the 150 lb Michkov), Arber jr. and when they've traded picks for players, it's Dach and Newhook. Newhook's not tall, but at 200 lbs he's stocky. Owen Beck is that same stature or will be after some time with the development team.
They have resisted trading Xhekaj because he is not just the nuclear deterrent, but is also 6' 4" 240. Habs want some of their own crunchers but preferably guys that bring skill along with the size. Everything they're dong makes sense. As the Vancouver-Edmonton series wore down, you could see the Canucks wearing down. Maybe they just weren't healthy after that Nashville series (Oilers had to face the feared LA Kings led by PA Dubois), but it was noticeable and you have to assume the lack of bigger players up front had something to do with it.
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Post by Skilly on May 21, 2024 15:07:40 GMT -5
Habs officially now have the 5th and 26th pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.
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Post by folatre on May 21, 2024 20:38:57 GMT -5
And the second rounder (Colorado's) is #57.
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Post by jkr on May 22, 2024 5:52:59 GMT -5
I agree with 17 here on Hughes. 10 points in 13 games & 26 points in 30 career playoff games are hardly bust type numbers, especially for a D man.
There are others there, Petterson, Lindholm for example that performed well below expectations.
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Post by Cranky on May 22, 2024 10:02:16 GMT -5
It wasn't the lack of bigger players, it was the lack of heart.
Go back to when we made the finals. No one can accuse us of too much talent, but certainly proved the heart of lions in winter.
I wont forget the exit interviews and how players looked like they just came out of a bar fight with Hells Muppets...err...Hells Angels.
(I bet no one will remember where that came from. It was a call to form HabsRus motorcycle gang 14 ysrs ago!)
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Post by seventeen on May 22, 2024 12:31:25 GMT -5
I wont forget the exit interviews and how players looked like they just came out of a bar fight with Hells Muppets...err...Hells Angels. (I bet no one will remember where that came from. It was a call to form HabsRus motorcycle gang 14 ysrs ago!) I would have looked stupid in leathers and my 10 speed. |
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Post by seventeen on May 22, 2024 12:50:59 GMT -5
And the second rounder (Colorado's) is #57. 2022 Lane Hutson #62 2021 Colton Dach #62, Oliver Kapanen #64 2020 Mason Lohrei #58, Will Cuylle #60 2019 Bunch of guys at 57 +/- 5 spots It's not a bad spot, depending on the year Something that struck me as I was looking at hockeydb.com and some of the players around #57. One of them is Ivan Morozov who Vegas drafted in 2018, had his best season in 2021, 13-18-31 in 55 games with Spartak in the KHL. Then he went blah for a couple of years. Suddenly last year, 11-27-38 in 37 games. From basically .5 ppg at best, to over 1 ppg last season. Did he improve that much? My guess is the Ukraine war, which caused a lot of western players to quit the KHL and move to other leagues had the effect of weakening the KHL and improving all the European Leagues and the AHL too. Therefore, beware of guys like Tsyplakov who signed with the Isles after doubling his ppg last year while ageing from 24 to 25. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences. |
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Post by habsorbed on May 22, 2024 20:11:23 GMT -5
I agree with 17 here on Hughes. 10 points in 13 games & 26 points in 30 career playoff games are hardly bust type numbers, especially for a D man. There are others there, Petterson, Lindholm for example that performed well below expectations. No doubt Petey never got going but there's always been questions about his 'devotion'. But Hughes, the captain and best player, was a disappointment. And it was clear the problem was his size as he was a marked man, and he was marginalized - nowhere near the Calder nominee he is in the regular season. Perhaps it's lack of playoff experience. But Lane is smaller that Hughes and perhaps not as good a skater which would not bode well for him if our hope is he is our elite dman. What we do have over the Canucks is a better D corp in a few years. After Hughes, Vancouver D corp is mediocre at best. Our hope is that Guhle, Mailloux, Rienbacher, and others will be better than mediocre and take the focus and pressure off Lane. |
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Post by seventeen on May 23, 2024 0:01:02 GMT -5
I agree with 17 here on Hughes. 10 points in 13 games & 26 points in 30 career playoff games are hardly bust type numbers, especially for a D man. There are others there, Petterson, Lindholm for example that performed well below expectations. No doubt Petey never got going but there's always been questions about his 'devotion'. But Hughes, the captain and best player, was a disappointment. And it was clear the problem was his size as he was a marked man, and he was marginalized - nowhere near the Calder nominee he is in the regular season. Perhaps it's lack of playoff experience. But Lane is smaller that Hughes and perhaps not as good a skater which would not bode well for him if our hope is he is our elite dman. What we do have over the Canucks is a better D corp in a few years. After Hughes, Vancouver D corp is mediocre at best. Our hope is that Guhle, Mailloux, Rienbacher, and others will be better than mediocre and take the focus and pressure off Lane. I'm not sure it's fair to label Pettersson over his commitment or 'devotion'. Elias is an extremely competitive guy. But he has that stoic Swedish demenour that looks to us like he doesn't care. What is undeniable is that he isn't a heavy guy. He's 6'2" but only 176 lbs. There are times like reverse body checks and sometimes in a forecheck, where he really throws his body at people. It just isn't a heavy object so he tends to bounce off bigger guys. What he can do is learn from Conor Garland, who is fearless and doesn't shy from anyone despite weighin only 165. Garland is extremely shifty and gets low to the ice so he is able to squirm through checks. If Pettersson develops that into his game, along with his hands, he'll produce just as much in the playoffs. You're right about Vancouver's D. Hronek was much better in the regular season than the playoffs and I suspect Quinn was playing hurt. Soucy and Myers were the 2nd pair. Myers had a much better season in 2023/24 than the previous one. Soucy is a marginal 2nd pair guy (and sometimes so is Myers). Zadorov played better in Vancouver than Calgary, and was a punishing hitter, but he lacks Xhekaj's punching ability and his sneaky shot. He potted some goals, but that is quite out of character. Ian Cole is washed up. Three of the six struggle with skating agility. At the peak of our defense, we should have 6 mobile guys, and all but one will be strong. Not far in the future, we should see Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson, Mailloux, Xhekaj and Struble all line up at the same time. |
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Post by seventeen on May 23, 2024 0:28:02 GMT -5
Since this is a lottery thread, I had a look at the conditions around Calgary's pick in 2025 that we hold. The first flowchart square has been eliminated. Florida's pick this year is not a lottery pick, so it conveys to Calgary. Done, finito. That also eliminates the first sub scenario which would have been relevant if Florida kept their 2024 pick and Calgary was to receive Florida's 2025 pick. Not going to happen. Now we get to the complicated part which in hindsight doesn't seem that complicated. If Calgary's pick is not top 10, we get their pick If Calgary's pick is top 10 we also get their pick unless it's for first overall in which case we get the better of Calgary's or Florida's 2026 pick. Don't ask me why Florida's pick is even involved because the Tkachuk deal has completed now, but it was unknown at the time, so there was some slim possibility Calgary might own Florida's 2026 pick. In other words, we get Calgary's pick in 2025 unless it's for 1st OA and if that's the case we get their 2026 pick plus a 3rd rounder. I've been reading a bunch of trade possibilities where guys are throwing in Calgary's pick. That is insane. This season, Calgary finished 9th worst in the league. What are the odds they're going to be any better next year? Montreal is improving, Utah (Arizona) is going to be better and perhaps Anaheim will finally move up. They may be replaced by Washington and Philly, but the odds of Calgary being a bottom 10 team are pretty darn good. That pick is a prize! Who else can compete for a playoff spot and still have a really good shot at a top 10, maybe top 5 pick and if the lottery balls really roll for us, 2nd OA?! Vote Hughes the Sam Pollock trophy for that trade. Have a look at the terms of the Monahan deal on Capfriendly, by clicking on that icon in the draft row and tell me if I'm wrong. That offer is open to everyone but Skilly, because he'll tell me I'm wrong anyways.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 23, 2024 6:25:06 GMT -5
Since this is a lottery thread, I had a look at the conditions around Calgary's pick in 2025 that we hold. The first flowchart square has been eliminated. Florida's pick this year is not a lottery pick, so it conveys to Calgary. Done, finito. That also eliminates the first sub scenario which would have been relevant if Florida kept their 2024 pick and Calgary was to receive Florida's 2025 pick. Not going to happen. Now we get to the complicated part which in hindsight doesn't seem that complicated. If Calgary's pick is not top 10, we get their pick If Calgary's pick is top 10 we also get their pick unless it's for first overall in which case we get the better of Calgary's or Florida's 2026 pick. Don't ask me why Florida's pick is even involved because the Tkachuk deal has completed now, but it was unknown at the time, so there was some slim possibility Calgary might own Florida's 2026 pick. In other words, we get Calgary's pick in 2025 unless it's for 1st OA and if that's the case we get their 2026 pick plus a 3rd rounder. I've been reading a bunch of trade possibilities where guys are throwing in Calgary's pick. That is insane. This season, Calgary finished 9th worst in the league. What are the odds they're going to be any better next year? Montreal is improving, Utah (Arizona) is going to be better and perhaps Anaheim will finally move up. They may be replaced by Washington and Philly, but the odds of Calgary being a bottom 10 team are pretty darn good. That pick is a prize! Who else can compete for a playoff spot and still have a really good shot at a top 10, maybe top 5 pick and if the lottery balls really roll for us, 2nd OA?! Vote Hughes the Sam Pollock trophy for that trade. Have a look at the terms of the Monahan deal on Capfriendly, by clicking on that icon in the draft row and tell me if I'm wrong. That offer is open to everyone but Skilly, because he'll tell me I'm wrong anyways. Below is how I see this shaking out.... Sean Monahan 2025 1st round pick (CGY) [Conditional]* *Conditions: Since the CGY pick is not in between 20 and 32 this condition is not executed The Conditions below will have to wait until the end of the 24/25 season to filter out but I think we end up with Florida's 1st round 2025 pick... Scenario 1 below will not happen Scenario 2 will happen so we end up with the panthers 2025 pick The scenarios afterwards do not apply The thing that really makes this confusing on Capfriendly is the wording of the last part I assume they are referring to the 2025 pick which means Florida 2025 pick is lottery protected |
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Post by seventeen on May 23, 2024 13:33:00 GMT -5
I think you're right, which means we have to hope that Florida gets into the lottery next year. Impossible you say? Not in the normal course of things, naturally. How similar will next year's team be to this year's team? Florida has 10 UFA's coming up and while some are easily replaced, others like Reinhart, Kulikov and Montour will have suitors. So will Nick Cousins. This means that even if they are able to keep some of them (and they will succeed in large part because of no state tax giving them such an advantage), there will be a lot of turnover. Many of their guys have had great years and they have been relatively injury free. If you speculate that they'll lose a couple of key support UFA's and they have a lot of injuries, especially to Barkov or Bobrovsky, I could see them slipping into the lottery. If they do that, then the final scenario applies and we have a shot at an excellent player. There's always a hangover after a SC win, so maybe we should be hoping for the Panthers. I can't do that, but at least there's a silver lining to their SC win. And the trend to low tax environments hoarding the Cup will continue. It is a very serious problem. The rest of the league can't keep giving a 15-20% advantage to certain teams.
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Post by folatre on May 23, 2024 20:33:20 GMT -5
Anything can happen, but most of the key UFA guys love playing on that team so probably Zito can get deals worked out with overly longish term helping to keep the AAVs down to what may be on the low end of what constitutes market value for those values.
I continue to believe the likelier path forward for Montreal to receive a nice first round nugget in 2025 is for Calgary's owner to simply not accept embrace the 'tank' roster inertia because he frets about ticket/concessions/merch sales and will push Conroy to get NHL-ready pieces for anyone (e.g. Markstrom) else on the trade block and to find good players in free agency who will take a nice payday provided the term is not more than two or three years.
In other words, I would love it if Florida face plant in 2024-25 but I think they are too talented and deep for that scenario to be anything except extremely remote. For me having Wolf play great in net and a bunch of all heart gamers on the Flames stay half-way competitive for much of the season only to end up in the 11-13 worst range would be an excellent outcome for Montreal.
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Post by seventeen on May 23, 2024 23:42:00 GMT -5
Thing is there are examples of teams doing really well one year and really badly the next. OUr own Habs made it to the SC fina (without going into the improbably things that went right for that to happen) and then crater the next year. What was the big difference? Price's knee injury. What if Bobrovsky has a serious injury? Everything that team is based on, disappears. They were trash until first Alex Lyon and then Bobrovsky put on superhero outfits. And then they still needed Pittsburgh to lose to an abominable Chicago team to squeak in. Our own Habs won the Cup in 1969 and then a plethora of injuries and strange circumstances on the final night conspired to have us lose a playoff position in 1970.
I'm not saying to count on Florida going to hell in a handbasket, but to retain that Calgary pick until we can see where teams are heading. Is Calgary floundering? Is Florida showing signs that nothing is going right for them in 2025? The hockey gods change their minds quickly and sometimes a team that looks invincible, becomes vincible. I just don't want to undervalue that pick until we see the probabilities going against us.
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Post by Skilly on May 26, 2024 18:24:00 GMT -5
Since this is a lottery thread, I had a look at the conditions around Calgary's pick in 2025 that we hold. The first flowchart square has been eliminated. Florida's pick this year is not a lottery pick, so it conveys to Calgary. Done, finito. That also eliminates the first sub scenario which would have been relevant if Florida kept their 2024 pick and Calgary was to receive Florida's 2025 pick. Not going to happen. Now we get to the complicated part which in hindsight doesn't seem that complicated. If Calgary's pick is not top 10, we get their pick If Calgary's pick is top 10 we also get their pick unless it's for first overall in which case we get the better of Calgary's or Florida's 2026 pick. Don't ask me why Florida's pick is even involved because the Tkachuk deal has completed now, but it was unknown at the time, so there was some slim possibility Calgary might own Florida's 2026 pick. In other words, we get Calgary's pick in 2025 unless it's for 1st OA and if that's the case we get their 2026 pick plus a 3rd rounder. I've been reading a bunch of trade possibilities where guys are throwing in Calgary's pick. That is insane. This season, Calgary finished 9th worst in the league. What are the odds they're going to be any better next year? Montreal is improving, Utah (Arizona) is going to be better and perhaps Anaheim will finally move up. They may be replaced by Washington and Philly, but the odds of Calgary being a bottom 10 team are pretty darn good. That pick is a prize! Who else can compete for a playoff spot and still have a really good shot at a top 10, maybe top 5 pick and if the lottery balls really roll for us, 2nd OA?! Vote Hughes the Sam Pollock trophy for that trade. Have a look at the terms of the Monahan deal on Capfriendly, by clicking on that icon in the draft row and tell me if I'm wrong. That offer is open to everyone but Skilly, because he'll tell me I'm wrong anyways. Calgary gets FLA's pick is 2025. So it is not conveyed yet If the 2025 pick is a lottery pick, FLA keeps it and Calgary gets FLA's 2026 pick (no protection) We have to wait until next year is over, to see if Calgary gets Florida's pick |
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Post by Skilly on May 26, 2024 18:29:26 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on May 26, 2024 18:32:08 GMT -5
We are currently at "Did CGY receive R1 2025 (FLA)?" in the flow chart
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Post by Tankdriver on May 26, 2024 21:48:21 GMT -5
So I guess we could want Florida to make the playoffs next year and hope Calgary doesn't and is a #2 or #3 pick.
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Post by Skilly on May 26, 2024 22:03:54 GMT -5
So I guess we could want Florida to make the playoffs next year and hope Calgary doesn't and is a #2 or #3 pick. Under that scenario, we'd receive Florida's pick, which would be between #17 and #32 if they make the playoffs What we'd need is for Florida to miss the playoffs (ie retain their lottery pick) , and then Calgary end up with the #2 pick ... we'd get the #2 pick |
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