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Post by folatre on Jun 20, 2024 18:30:35 GMT -5
Hockey is debatable, but I believe Lundell has been blocked by Bennett, who is obviously an integral pulse of the Panthers. I think Lundell could produce 60 points a season and be a good two-way 2C. However, since I am still willing to be optimistic (or at least to pray) for Dach's health moving forward, trading nice assets for Lundell would not be near the top of my priorities if I were Hughes.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 21, 2024 1:09:45 GMT -5
Especially after next year's draft when Panthers miss the playoffs and Calgary's pick ends up at #2 and we get a crack at another top centre.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 22, 2024 22:29:00 GMT -5
Especially after next year's draft when Panthers miss the playoffs and Calgary's pick ends up at #2 and we get a crack at another top centre. I like how you think 😆. Not sure I see them falling off the cliff that much, but one can definitely hope. I don’t want a number of their guys touching the Cup…ever. And as for Zito…, |
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Post by folatre on Jun 23, 2024 12:22:05 GMT -5
All right boys, file this one under comedy. Yesterday Ryan Dixon, who writes for Sportsnet, has proposed the following three-way trade:
Montreal - Necas
Winnipeg - Beck, Struble, Anderson, Barron, Carolina's second rounder
Carolina - Ehlers, Harris, 26th overall
I can understand when dudes posting about their favorite team come up with silly one-sided trades. But this guy is a professional journalist. Yeesh, he should be better than that.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 23, 2024 13:15:14 GMT -5
All right boys, file this one under comedy. Yesterday Ryan Dixon, who writes for Sportsnet, has proposed the following three-way trade: Montreal - Necas Winnipeg - Beck, Struble, Anderson, Barron, Carolina's second rounder Carolina - Ehlers, Harris, 26th overall I can understand when dudes posting about their favorite team come up with silly one-sided trades. But this guy is a professional journalist. Yeesh, he should be better than that. Wait...let me get this straight... Beck, Struble, Anderson, Barron, Harris and 26th? What about the kitchen sink? It's a lovely kitchen sink! Other then Beck, there isn't a lot of quality but i doubt Hughes empties the roster and draft choices for Necas. I rather see 26th and more to move up and pick Sennecke then Necas or Zegras. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2024 13:16:51 GMT -5
So Montreal gives up 5 pieces and 26th overall? And all they get back is Necas? Did he also come up with a ludicrous contract offer as well?
Sounds like something some basement dweller would come up with while playing NHL24.
PS: most of the commenters think he overdid his meds. Couldn't find one positive comment .
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2024 13:18:43 GMT -5
Especially after next year's draft when Panthers miss the playoffs and Calgary's pick ends up at #2 and we get a crack at another top centre. I like how you think 😆. Not sure I see them falling off the cliff that much, but one can definitely hope. I don’t want a number of their guys touching the Cup…ever. And as for Zito…, I understand Tkachuk, Cousins and company but why Zito? |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2024 13:49:15 GMT -5
I like how you think 😆. Not sure I see them falling off the cliff that much, but one can definitely hope. I don’t want a number of their guys touching the Cup…ever. And as for Zito…, I understand Tkachuk, Cousins and company but why Zito? Can't speak for NWT. I too don't like Zito. He rolled the dice, picking up a lot of expiring UFA contracts and living off Barkov and Bobrovsky (who is hot and cold). I haven't though he was a good GM since he made the Ben Chiarot deal and missed giving up at worst an 18th OA pick and potentially 9th overall pick, by the skin of the Pittsburgh Penguin's teeth and some incredible development luck with Montour and Forsling. When you look at Florida's pipeline and youngsters, only LUndell has looked reasonable. Samoskevitch had a good AHL season, but he's 5' 11" 183 lbs, not exactly the prototypical Panther. There's nothing else. They have given away 2 of their next 3 first round picks as well. He went all in on this year, which might have been the right thing to do, but he himself has not developed good scouting group, or development group. I don't like to see guys like that rewarded and strongly hope the Panthers lose tomorrow. As I said in an earlier post it also sets the table for a possible miss of the playoffs in 2025. Eleven UFA's on July 1 and while only 3 are guys you could consider better than average, it' still a lot of players to replace. We know that UFA's also are the most expensive way to build a team and it seems to be the path Zito has chosen, believing he can out-trade other GM's, most of whom keep getting better and better. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2024 14:05:17 GMT -5
Rutger McGroarty's camp supposedly is not happy with him playing for Winnipeg and since he's an NCAA guy, he could go the full 4 year route, except he's ready for the pros and would be giving up 2 years of earning power. He would be a guy worth acquiring, even more so than Neca, IMO. www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=238284He's bigger than the 6' 200 lbs showing on hockeydb. He's a beast physically. I really liked him in his draft year. Captain of the US WJC team that won gold. Wasn't considered a great skater but I never thought that was a problem. Looked fine to me and has probably improved since his draft year. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 23, 2024 14:35:26 GMT -5
Rutger wants to be guaranteed an NHL spot on opening night.
Remember Harris wanted the same thing, got it and now he's trade material. Or have we forgotten a three year old story in our own house?
These kids love their mirror and think they are NHL ready. That could easily be solved with a scrimmage session against Guhle or X. So easy for for these kids to think they're special...until he gets a two hander against his back or gets planted on his face.
Everybody looks good on paper and even better with a few drums of hopium...but unless they have a season of NHL pain with buckets pain killer, or at least are prepared to face reality that thry are not resdy and need AHL seasoning, i don't want any part of them.
BTW...he looks up to that epitome of a team player that is known to carry a team on his back and a leader...Matthews the Magnificent.
'Nough said....
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 23, 2024 15:12:26 GMT -5
Rutger wants to be guaranteed an NHL spot on opening night. Remember Harris wanted the same thing, got it and now he's trade material. Or have we forgotten a three year old story in our own house? These kids love their mirror and think they are NHL ready. That could easily be solved with a scrimmage session against Guhle or X. So easy for for these kids to think they're special...until he gets a two hander against his back or gets planted on his face. Everybody looks good on paper and even better with a few drums of hopium...but unless they have a season of NHL pain with buckets pain killer, or at least are prepared to face reality that thry are not resdy and need AHL seasoning, i don't want any part of them. BTW...he looks up to that epitome of a team player that is known to carry a team on his back and a leader...Matthews the Magnificent. 'Nough said.... Depends on what he costs... Slaf started with the Habs right away so its not a requirement they pay their dues, you tell them they have to earn the right at camp... Just like Slaf did and just like Big X... He would fit real nice with Dach and Roy on that 2nd line though CC-Suze-Slaf McG-Dach-Roy(I think Roy can play the right side) That would be a young top 6 all 24 and under... A decade of that would be awesome And if he turns out to be a donkey he can be traded... If PLDonkey can be traded... anyone can be traded... |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 23, 2024 16:30:17 GMT -5
The asking priice will be Mailioux and our 26th.
He fails, the return will be hotdogs and extra bucket of relish.
What is Harris worth now? Maybe a late second and used pucks?
These are all great trades when slathered in hopium, i preffer th Becks and Mailiouxs where they will work hard to prove who they are.
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Post by folatre on Jun 23, 2024 18:10:53 GMT -5
I do not care for this kid's attitude. The Jets were supposed to guarantee him a roster spot a week before the playoffs started? Perfetti had 140 games in the league under his belt and Bowness scratched him in the playoffs.
I am sure Hughes will try to take the temperature of the situation. Winnipeg is probably asking the moon this summer.
If I am Cheveldayoff, why placate the kid right now, eh? They can let him hang with no resolution for a couple months and then reengage with clubs. It is not like anything needs to be done this week. For me no one is giving up a top ten pick for McGroarty. Maybe teams starting in the Buffalo or Philadelphia range would do a straight up deal.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2024 23:03:20 GMT -5
Rutger wants to be guaranteed an NHL spot on opening night. Remember Harris wanted the same thing, got it and now he's trade material. Or have we forgotten a three year old story in our own house? These kids love their mirror and think they are NHL ready. That could easily be solved with a scrimmage session against Guhle or X. So easy for for these kids to think they're special...until he gets a two hander against his back or gets planted on his face. Everybody looks good on paper and even better with a few drums of hopium...but unless they have a season of NHL pain with buckets pain killer, or at least are prepared to face reality that thry are not resdy and need AHL seasoning, i don't want any part of them. BTW...he looks up to that epitome of a team player that is known to carry a team on his back and a leader...Matthews the Magnificent. 'Nough said.... That outlook is the worst case scenario type. On the other hand (most of us still have 2 hands), if that is truly a demand, I agree that it's not the best approach to winning your teammates over. Then again, I would bet that he'd make the roster anyway. We don't exactly have a plethora of top forwards and McGroarty is a guy who is going to be a top forward. Interchangeable between the first and second lines. He would just slot right in next to Dach and Roy, or anyone else we acquire or draft in the next year or two. He's also rather a strong guy and pretty big, so I don't think Guhle or Xhekaj would scare him from a board battle, though Arber would clean his clock. McGroarty is defensively responsible and rarely gets penalties. So, basically I'm in his corner. If he was some marginal NCAA prospect, I'd ignore him, but he's not. Cutter Gauthier is a scorer but McGroarty is possibly more valuable to the team. Physically, he reminds me of John Leclair, but obviously not as good a scorer. Leclair was the immovable object and so is McGroarty. Besides, what a cool name. You hear Rutger and you think intellectual prowess and then you combine that with McGroarty, which sounds like a wounded Grizzly bear. Just his name alone is worth it. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2024 23:16:51 GMT -5
I do not care for this kid's attitude. The Jets were supposed to guarantee him a roster spot a week before the playoffs started? Perfetti had 140 games in the league under his belt and Bowness scratched him in the playoffs. I am sure Hughes will try to take the temperature of the situation. Winnipeg is probably asking the moon this summer. If I am Cheveldayoff, why placate the kid right now, eh? They can let him hang with no resolution for a couple months and then reengage with clubs. It is not like anything needs to be done this week. For me no one is giving up a top ten pick for McGroarty. Maybe teams starting in the Buffalo or Philadelphia range would do a straight up deal. The risk is that he stays in college the next two years and becomes a UFA. This is like the Adam Fox thing all over again. In the end he got what he wanted, because of the college UFA risk. Remember the rumours about Jordan Harris going that route and why haven't we signed him yet? Harris is an extremely respectful kid and was unlikely to do that, but most college draftees who are hot prospects have that weapon, even if it means delaying their pro career. It's another reason to have a management team that players and player agents respect. You're not going to be on their 'No sign" lists. I'd like to know McGroarty's exact words. Demanding ice time in a contending situation makes no sense, but would he be worse than what they had on the 4th line? Was he demanding top line status? That's not going to happen, but it may also have been his agent asking for too much. GM's don't always get to talk to the player themself in negotiations, depending on the agent. A lot of college guys want to play at least one game, to burn a year off the entry level contract and maybe that's what this is all about. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 24, 2024 13:26:10 GMT -5
All right boys, file this one under comedy. Yesterday Ryan Dixon, who writes for Sportsnet, has proposed the following three-way trade: Montreal - Necas Winnipeg - Beck, Struble, Anderson, Barron, Carolina's second rounder Carolina - Ehlers, Harris, 26th overall I can understand when dudes posting about their favorite team come up with silly one-sided trades. But this guy is a professional journalist. Yeesh, he should be better than that. So, Winnipeg gives up one asset and gets five assets in return ... Montreal gives up six assets, and they get one player in return ... am I reading that right ... Cheers. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 27, 2024 18:07:35 GMT -5
It appears as though Ylonen's days in Montreal are done. No surprise there. He has skill but questionable compete, and couldn't carve out a role for himself on the team. Better to make space for those that do project project to be successful in bottom 6 roles (Tuch, Heineman, Florian etc.).
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Post by folatre on Jun 27, 2024 18:27:30 GMT -5
All right boys, file this one under comedy. Yesterday Ryan Dixon, who writes for Sportsnet, has proposed the following three-way trade: Montreal - Necas Winnipeg - Beck, Struble, Anderson, Barron, Carolina's second rounder Carolina - Ehlers, Harris, 26th overall I can understand when dudes posting about their favorite team come up with silly one-sided trades. But this guy is a professional journalist. Yeesh, he should be better than that. So, Winnipeg gives up one asset and gets five assets in return ... Montreal gives up six assets, and they get one player in return ... am I reading that right ... Cheers. Jeje, crazy stuff. I know I have seen Ryan Dixon's name around for a few years on Sportsnet, not sure if he generally writes about the Leafs or analytics, but his take on Montreal-Winnipeg-Carolina getting together is just laughably brutal from the Habs perspective. Jeje, he should have taken the journalistic high-road the day after and offered a retraction. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2024 18:45:12 GMT -5
I started to read the comments on Dixon's article. It was brutal. I didn't see a single post that thought anything made sense.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 27, 2024 18:58:18 GMT -5
I started to read the comments on Dixon's article. It was brutal. I didn't see a single post that thought anything made sense. He's in Leafs lalaland... the torranna media is talking about getting Tanev as an FA... at 34, he's a bit young for them, they like their D to be in the 36-40 range... lol |
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2024 20:03:59 GMT -5
LOL - that's hilarious Willie. If they want to really raise their average age they can re-sign Giordano. He'll be 41 in October.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 27, 2024 20:43:47 GMT -5
Flames cleared 5.8 million off their books by trading Magnipone to the Caps for a second rounder. They are now under the floor.
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Post by folatre on Jun 27, 2024 21:46:42 GMT -5
I was wondering about this whole dynamic in Calgary a few months ago -- would ownership known for being preoccupied about season ticket sales allow Conroy to actually go full rebuild. Look at the Flames now, this team is easily bottom 10 bad, quite likely bottom 5 bad. Despite the short-term issues, apparently management got ownership's permission to burn it down.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2024 22:21:42 GMT -5
I was wondering about this whole dynamic in Calgary a few months ago -- would ownership known for being preoccupied about season ticket sales allow Conroy to actually go full rebuild. Look at the Flames now, this team is easily bottom 10 bad, quite likely bottom 5 bad. Despite the short-term issues, apparently management got ownership's permission to burn it down. It's all based on them keeping their 2025 pick. Imagine the surprise when the Panthers are a lottery team and they get Florida's 2026 pick and we get their 2025 pick. Chuckle. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 29, 2024 14:29:09 GMT -5
What is Fitzgerald doing? Vegas just fleeced him. Holtz and the goalie Schmid for Cotter and third rounder. How can Holtz, age 22, a former top ten pick who scored 16 goals last season not attract a better offer than that?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 29, 2024 14:49:38 GMT -5
What is Fitzgerald doing? Vegas just fleeced him. Holtz and the goalie Schmid for Cotter and third rounder. How can Holtz, age 22, a former top ten pick who scored 16 goals last season not attract a better offer than that? Wow. A steal. |
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 29, 2024 15:27:21 GMT -5
What is Fitzgerald doing? Vegas just fleeced him. Holtz and the goalie Schmid for Cotter and third rounder. How can Holtz, age 22, a former top ten pick who scored 16 goals last season not attract a better offer than that? Wow. A steal. I was hoping Hughes would be in on Holtz. That's a crazy low price. Holtz managed 16 while getting pinned on the 3rd and 4th line most of the year |
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Post by folatre on Jun 29, 2024 16:51:36 GMT -5
Ruff did not like the kid (defense, work rate) but he actually scored at a nice clip 5v5 when adjusted for time on ice. I thought with the coaching change, Holtz would get a clean slate. I guess not. Maybe it was Fitzgerald who did not like him.
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Post by jkr on Jun 29, 2024 17:21:43 GMT -5
Looks like the Leafs have acquired the rights to Tanev for a 7th rounder. I guess Toronto can now give him max term. 😀
He'll be 35 in December with a lot of miles on him . Should be interesting to see the offer. Who's next? Zadorov, Kadri.
Treliving is building Calgary East.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2024 18:49:19 GMT -5
Looks like the Leafs have acquired the rights to Tanev for a 7th rounder. I guess Toronto can now give him max term. 😀 He'll be 35 in December with a lot of miles on him . Should be interesting to see the offer. Who's next? Zadorov, Kadri. Treliving is building Calgary East. It'll be kadri... Toronto Maple leafs...The retirement home for GTA players past their prime... |
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