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Post by Cranky on Jun 29, 2024 18:54:34 GMT -5
No trades whatsoever to pick up another Dach/Newhook. I guess we are perfect now and don't need to steal an underperforming kid.
I mean after watching the Great Brier, there is nothing there to entice his stupidity. Or how about that Blake the Brilliant? Any chance we can sell Utah some extra parts?
Asking for a friend....
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2024 19:12:01 GMT -5
No trades whatsoever to pick up another Dach/Newhook. I guess we are perfect now and don't need to steal an underperforming kid. I mean after watching the Great Brier, there is nothing there to entice his stupidity. Or how about that Blake the Brilliant? Any chance we can sell Utah some extra parts? Asking for a friend.... At the end of Engels article Hughes said they are trying to make a trade to help them now |
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Post by folatre on Jun 29, 2024 20:12:59 GMT -5
I never thought a trade for a top six forward was going to happen before the draft because Hughes naturally wanted to know who the Habs picked at #5. And now that he got a diamond offensive dynamo, who will probably jump straight to Montreal for 2025-26, I suspect Hughes is less willing to pay any silly price in terms of assets and AAV/term for guys like Ehlers or Necas.
Yes, I know this approach leaves a bit of a hole in terms of how the 2024-25 forward group becomes more productive. But there are still options management can explore, both in free agency and via trade.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 29, 2024 22:19:57 GMT -5
Is anyone suggesting, Good Lord, suggesting that we are good enough as is to escape the clutches of the dark cellar? As is? What madness is this? Or have we had too much Demigod wine for one day?
I, for one, don't see enough improvement to see us rise above the normality, the usual level of mediocrity. A level we seem to enjoy mucking in for a few decades, with extended vacations in the basement and one, count it, ONE improbable final.
We have an army of young defenseman that if don't convert to assets, we will lose to waivers. A plethora of draft choices and several veterans that will need walkers by the time the team contents.
We need HuGo to put on his best Pollock impersonation and get out there to get us another underperforming youngster ready too get past NHL puberty.
Pronto...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 29, 2024 22:41:38 GMT -5
Steven Stamkos to hit the open market on Monday ...
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2024 1:37:22 GMT -5
What is Fitzgerald doing? Vegas just fleeced him. Holtz and the goalie Schmid for Cotter and third rounder. How can Holtz, age 22, a former top ten pick who scored 16 goals last season not attract a better offer than that? Wow. A steal. Holtz's reputation exceeds the reality. 28 points in 82 games does not scream elite scorer. Also, 11 points in 14 AHL games, confirms the previous assessment (mine). You could see the progression wasn't happening. He was a teammate of Lucas Raymond's on Swedish international teams and there was little to differentiate between the two as far as potential went. Yet Raymond put up 72 points last year. Maybe Holtz's pace isn't quite high enough, but for whatever reason, he's looking like another Filip Zadina. The Devils were cutting their losses. Vegas is counting on resurrecting the guy. Good luck with that. Well not really. I always hope Vegas plans crash and burn. Hughes should hire Vaughan Karpan away from them and then watch them collapse. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2024 1:44:30 GMT -5
No trades whatsoever to pick up another Dach/Newhook. I guess we are perfect now and don't need to steal an underperforming kid. I mean after watching the Great Brier, there is nothing there to entice his stupidity. Or how about that Blake the Brilliant? Any chance we can sell Utah some extra parts? Asking for a friend.... I was trying to figure out what curling had to do with this, and then it hit me that you meant Briere. Obviously a type, or the artificial stupidity imbedded in all these programs was just hard at work. I swear the world is going to blow up because of AS. The draft/UFA season isn't over yet. Friedman put it out that Minny and the Habs were closest on the McGroarty sweepstakes and that may yet have some legs. The Jets still need some depth at D (and at centre, but we're no help there, unless HuGo are seriously considering trading Dach). We have lots of D, though, and the worst of our two picks next year (which after Florida misses the playoffs, should still be valued in the 15-20 range. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2024 1:59:31 GMT -5
Is anyone suggesting, Good Lord, suggesting that we are good enough as is to escape the clutches of the dark cellar? As is? What madness is this? Or have we had too much Demigod wine for one day? I, for one, don't see enough improvement to see us rise above the normality, the usual level of mediocrity. A level we seem to enjoy mucking in for a few decades, with extended vacations in the basement and one, count it, ONE improbable final. We have an army of young defenseman that if don't convert to assets, we will lose to waivers. A plethora of draft choices and several veterans that will need walkers by the time the team contents. We need HuGo to put on his best Pollock impersonation and get out there to get us another underperforming youngster ready too get past NHL puberty. Pronto... Actually, we are on the verge of exploding out of the gate. Sam and Primeau are adequate goaltenders: Matheson, Guhle, Savard, Struble, Reinbacher or Mailloux, Xhekaj are a solid group of dmen, with Hutson possibly breaking into that group and Harris with Engstrom ready replacements in case of injury. Up front, things are going to get interesting. We're still saddled with Anderson and Gallagher, but Gally is serviceable and played well at the end of last season. Anderson can be buried in Laval or traded to Utah or Philly, or Chicago or Pittsburgh (desperate teams). That would leave a projected lineup of: The usual Suspects - Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf Newhook - Dach - Roy It gets weaker Heineman - Dvorak - Gallagher RHP - Evans - Armia We don't know how Beck or Kapanen will look in camp, but either could supplant players in the bottom 6. RHP and Heineman are the obvious weaker links, but Heineman has a good tool kit. If Hughes can tweak that potential deal with Winnipeg, McGroarty would easily replace Heineman and he and RHP would have to battle for the last spot, and we might have less depth on our blue line, but that's not a weak spot. Tons of depth there. Next year, Florian, Demigod, Tuch, all might be ready and the year after that, Hage enters the picture, as well as any picks from 2025. But that top 6 is absolutely scary. We already saw what the top line could do to opponents last year. The next line with Demigod, Dach and Roy would be equally dangerous, but in a totally different way. Hell, just play them 30 minutes each and keep the other guys for PK duty. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 30, 2024 5:53:19 GMT -5
I saw Dreger on TSN this morning & he was talking about Tanev.
He described the term offer as "mega". By that he meant 6-7 years. The guy is a hard nosed shot blocker who will be 35 in December and they are going to give him that kind of term? The contract won't age well and he'll be bought in about 3 years. He also said they have expressed interest in another plus 30 D man - Ekman-Larsson who will be 33 soon.
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Post by folatre on Jun 30, 2024 9:11:03 GMT -5
Ekman-Larsson played respectably with the Panthers, but I think that is an aberration. Without guys with fire in their belly keeping him focused, I foresee him reverting back to the lazy brand of hockey he played for years in Arizona and Vancouver.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 30, 2024 9:11:56 GMT -5
I saw Dreger on TSN this morning & he was talking about Tanev. He described the term offer as "mega". By that he meant 6-7 years. The guy is a hard nosed shot blocker who will be 35 in December and they are going to give him that kind of term? The contract won't age well and he'll be bought in about 3 years. He also said they have expressed interest in another plus 30 D man - Ekman-Larsson who will be 33 soon. Toronto maple leafs... where 30 something GTA players go to enjoy an all inclusive retirement resort The best thing that could have happened for all non leaf fans is the hiring of Brad 'Pizza Boy' Treliving... |
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2024 8:35:05 GMT -5
Reinhart signs an 8 year extension last night. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/sam-reinhart-panthers-agree-to-eight-year-deal/I saw the headline on the link- re: Reinhart. I click on it and the there is a picture of Tanev. Typical Toronto sports media. Florida signs a guy that scored 67 total goals this year & their choice of picture is a 34 year old shot blocking D man.  |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 1, 2024 12:14:39 GMT -5
Monahan signed 5x5.5m. Good for him on that retirement contract. I wouldn't do anything past 3x4m.
Hip and back injuries don't disappear...
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Post by Cranky on Jul 1, 2024 12:23:15 GMT -5
So far it's been stupid season again. The only reasonable rates are Guentzel and Reinhart because in the short term they can deliver on their high cost. The last 3 years, who knows.
As much as i love to get free assets for Molsons money, other then the above two, there is nothing out there worth kings ransoms.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 13:07:53 GMT -5
Reinhart signs an 8 year extension last night. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/sam-reinhart-panthers-agree-to-eight-year-deal/I saw the headline on the link- re: Reinhart. I click on it and the there is a picture of Tanev. Typical Toronto sports media. Florida signs a guy that scored 67 total goals this year & their choice of picture is a 34 year old shot blocking D man. $8.6 per year. Given last year, he'd have gotten $10 anywhere else that wasn't a no tax state. Still, it's an increase over his previous salary and I guarantee he won't score at a 24.6% efficiency rate next year. This will be a contract that will hurt the Panthers a bit. Reinhart (who I have liked a lot as a player) scored some really important goals for the Panthers and if he regresses to even a high 16% shooting percentage, that equates to 37 goals, a drop of 20. Montour has moved on, so there's another puck moving defenseman who had an impact on scoring. Zito has some work to do. He re signed Kulikov for 4 years at a cheap $1.15 per year, but the guy will be 34 in October and the term is 4 years. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2024 13:12:18 GMT -5
Reinhart signs an 8 year extension last night. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/sam-reinhart-panthers-agree-to-eight-year-deal/I saw the headline on the link- re: Reinhart. I click on it and the there is a picture of Tanev. Typical Toronto sports media. Florida signs a guy that scored 67 total goals this year & their choice of picture is a 34 year old shot blocking D man. $8.6 per year. Given last year, he'd have gotten $10 anywhere else that wasn't a no tax state. Still, it's an increase over his previous salary and I guarantee he won't score at a 24.6% efficiency rate next year. This will be a contract that will hurt the Panthers a bit. Reinhart (who I have liked a lot as a player) scored some really important goals for the Panthers and if he regresses to even a high 16% shooting percentage, that equates to 37 goals, a drop of 20. Montour has moved on, so there's another puck moving defenseman who had an impact on scoring. Zito has some work to do. He re signed Kulikov for 4 years at a cheap $1.15 per year, but the guy will be 34 in October and the term is 4 years. Florida also lost Ekman-Larsson so that's 2 out of the top 6 that need to be replaced. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2024 13:47:38 GMT -5
So far it's been stupid season again. The only reasonable rates are Guentzel and Reinhart because in the short term they can deliver on their high cost. The last 3 years, who knows. As much as i love to get free assets for Molsons money, other then the above two, there is nothing out there worth kings ransoms. Stamkos 8 million x 4 years isn't too bad (1 yr too much) |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2024 0:44:42 GMT -5
$8.6 per year. Given last year, he'd have gotten $10 anywhere else that wasn't a no tax state. Still, it's an increase over his previous salary and I guarantee he won't score at a 24.6% efficiency rate next year. This will be a contract that will hurt the Panthers a bit. Reinhart (who I have liked a lot as a player) scored some really important goals for the Panthers and if he regresses to even a high 16% shooting percentage, that equates to 37 goals, a drop of 20. Montour has moved on, so there's another puck moving defenseman who had an impact on scoring. Zito has some work to do. He re signed Kulikov for 4 years at a cheap $1.15 per year, but the guy will be 34 in October and the term is 4 years. Florida also lost Ekman-Larsson so that's 2 out of the top 6 that need to be replaced. I didn't mention OEL because I didn't think he'd be hard to replace. He had some nice stretches last year, though, playing far better than he ever did with the Canucks, but he was on the 2nd pair there, not the 3rd. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 2, 2024 10:39:30 GMT -5
The draft came and went without any of the coveted trade targets moving (Zegras, Necas, McGroarty). A good thing, if the Habs are interested, as they would have been paying the seller's price. As the summer drags on, perhaps sellers will feel pressured to make a move and the price comes down.
Necas is an interesting case, because with Guentzel gone, Carolina have the money and the ice time to give to Necas. If they're still intent on trading him, it's clear that they don't like the player, which should raise some questions with possible suitors.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2024 13:07:03 GMT -5
The draft came and went without any of the coveted trade targets moving (Zegras, Necas, McGroarty). A good thing, if the Habs are interested, as they would have been paying the seller's price. As the summer drags on, perhaps sellers will feel pressured to make a move and the price comes down. Necas is an interesting case, because with Guentzel gone, Carolina have the money and the ice time to give to Necas. If they're still intent on trading him, it's clear that they don't like the player, which should raise some questions with possible suitors. His agent has re-iterated to the Canes that he would prefer a new start somewhere else. As a GM, you don't want an 'unhappy' player on your team, so I don't believe anything will change. He will still be traded. Having said that, I have no interest in him. He's flashy (and I have nothing against that) but I admire production and attitude and I'm not sure Necas' is the best. Besides, it's Carolina and they're always going to want more than market value. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 4, 2024 18:51:40 GMT -5
The draft came and went without any of the coveted trade targets moving (Zegras, Necas, McGroarty). A good thing, if the Habs are interested, as they would have been paying the seller's price. As the summer drags on, perhaps sellers will feel pressured to make a move and the price comes down. Necas is an interesting case, because with Guentzel gone, Carolina have the money and the ice time to give to Necas. If they're still intent on trading him, it's clear that they don't like the player, which should raise some questions with possible suitors. His agent has re-iterated to the Canes that he would prefer a new start somewhere else. As a GM, you don't want an 'unhappy' player on your team, so I don't believe anything will change. He will still be traded. Having said that, I have no interest in him. He's flashy (and I have nothing against that) but I admire production and attitude and I'm not sure Necas' is the best. Besides, it's Carolina and they're always going to want more than market value. I don’t consider Anderson a big problem. He doesn’t score but he is still big and fast and strong. He can fit the third line as a defensive contributor. Overpaid but we currently have cap space for a couple of years. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 5, 2024 16:38:30 GMT -5
I would not expect much from Anderson or Gallagher. Gallagher just made it injury-free through a season for the time since 2018-19, so I hate to say it but my fear is that a small guy playing a rough and tumble brand of hockey is most likely going to run into something significant this season.
Well, I see the Sabres got themselves a 3C, Ryan McLeod. He is a burner, though I am not sure that he is either skilled enough or aggressive enough to be a high end 3C. And considering I do not think the Sabres really have high end guys in the one and two holes, I am not sure this gets Buffalo a whole lot closer to the playoffs. I know Matty Savoie is a smaller winger, but he was a top ten pick two years ago. With the Sabres luck he gets his name on the Cup in Edmonton and long-term develops into a Marchessault type dynamo.
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Post by jkr on Jul 5, 2024 20:04:54 GMT -5
LOL. Add Savoie to the list of ex Sabres to leave & then get their name on the Cup? Maybe. It worked for O'Reilly, Reinhart, Montour.
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Post by folatre on Jul 5, 2024 20:55:15 GMT -5
I have a good buddy from my university days who is a hard core Sabres lifer and he texted me this evening and said 'just wait, Savoie will be lifting the Cup in June.' Man, the last 13-14 years in Buffalo have produced a lot of scare tissue among the most faithful.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2024 12:43:46 GMT -5
The draft came and went without any of the coveted trade targets moving (Zegras, Necas, McGroarty). A good thing, if the Habs are interested, as they would have been paying the seller's price. As the summer drags on, perhaps sellers will feel pressured to make a move and the price comes down. Necas is an interesting case, because with Guentzel gone, Carolina have the money and the ice time to give to Necas. If they're still intent on trading him, it's clear that they don't like the player, which should raise some questions with possible suitors. His agent has re-iterated to the Canes that he would prefer a new start somewhere else. As a GM, you don't want an 'unhappy' player on your team, so I don't believe anything will change. He will still be traded. Having said that, I have no interest in him. He's flashy (and I have nothing against that) but I admire production and attitude and I'm not sure Necas' is the best. Besides, it's Carolina and they're always going to want more than market value. And he is one of the guys who filed for arbitration, so the relationship with the Canes won’t improve through that process. The Canes will be financially motivated to say why he doesn’t deserve much money to keep the arbitration ruling down in their favour if they can. As for how good a fit he might be with the Habs, I am not sure he is worth the likely too high asking price. He has already advanced well beyond the point that Dach and Newhook were when they were acquired and so he is much “more proven” and the Canes are cheap and will want a king’s ransom for him. Likely better trade value elsewhere. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2024 13:08:22 GMT -5
Well, I see the Sabres got themselves a 3C, Ryan McLeod. He is a burner, though I am not sure that he is either skilled enough or aggressive enough to be a high end 3C. And considering I do not think the Sabres really have high end guys in the one and two holes, I am not sure this gets Buffalo a whole lot closer to the playoffs. I know Matty Savoie is a smaller winger, but he was a top ten pick two years ago. With the Sabres luck he gets his name on the Cup in Edmonton and long-term develops into a Marchessault type dynamo. Right from his juniour days it was clear that Ryan is much like his brother Michael. Excellent skater, but the Cone of Silence descends on the opposing goal when he gets close to it (eg Jacob DelaRose). I don't know what it is with those brothers. Both considered good prospects, but the offensive side eludes them. That doesn't mean they are useless, however. Buffalo has needed a centre who can check and kill penalties. They now have one and are willing to tolerate the lack of offense. So, are Buffalo the dumbest jackasses on the face of the earth, giving up a highly thought of prospect like Savoie? I'm definitely in the minority when I think the deal was fair and they weren't fleeced. Firstly, I'm not sure the new decision makers in Edmonton are making a lot of great decisions themselves. All the forwards they've taken on are offense first types and they've jinxed themselves by acquiring Jeff Skinner. I'm slowly developing a hypothesis that having Skinner as a last name is unlucky. So they trade a reasonable defensive forward for a scoring winger. That's the first signal to me. The second is that despite being on a really good WHL team in Winnipeg, that team always fell short of expectations. One of those Ice teams had Savoie, Connor Geekie, Zach Benson, Carson Lambos and Zack Ostapchuk. Savoie's numbers were good, and were even good in the playoffs, but they did fall off on a ppg basis. That's understandable, since he's 5' 9", 180 lbs-ish. It feels like the Sabres were either a) really, really dumb or b) had made a decision that Savoie wasn't going to be an NHL player and were moving on. As usual, we won't know for a few years, but dissing on Buffalo might be premature. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2024 13:12:02 GMT -5
And he is one of the guys who filed for arbitration, so the relationship with the Canes won’t improve through that process. The Canes will be financially motivated to say why he doesn’t deserve much money to keep the arbitration ruling down in their favour if they can. As for how good a fit he might be with the Habs, I am not sure he is worth the likely too high asking price. He has already advanced well beyond the point that Dach and Newhook were when they were acquired and so he is much “more proven” and the Canes are cheap and will want a king’s ransom for him. Likely better trade value elsewhere. What's truly funny about this is when Tulsky asks for more than Necas is worth, the other team can simply play back his own arbitration remarks where he's pointing out all the negative parts of Necas' game. Imagine scuttling your own negotiating position ahead of time.  |
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Post by folatre on Jul 6, 2024 19:06:17 GMT -5
McLeod addresses a need that Adams himself created by trading Mittelstadt.
I see Savoie as a very dynamic player. For me Adams should have parted with Rosen or Kulich before Savoie.
Necas is probably going to get $6 million via arbitration. This off-season for Carolina seems to be providing abundant evidence that Dundon overplayed his hand. Being ultra rigid with Pesce, Skjei, and Necas (not to mention Teravainen who perhaps they just shrugged and said bye) has not worked.
Not having the humility to buyout Kotkaniemi looks like a decision that is having ripple effects through the roster. Having that extra $4.82 million to sprinkle around for other important guys could have made the difference.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2024 20:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jul 15, 2024 18:19:35 GMT -5
Edmonton effectively gave up on 2021 first rounder Xavier Bourgault. The kid got traded today to Ottawa. The Sens also got some AHL/ECHL tweener. The Oilers received the Finnish winger Jarventie and a fourth found pick.
Over two seasons in the AHL, Bourgault was less than a .5 ppg player. That is rather underwhelming for a former first round pick. And, in particular, this season, his age 21 campaign, was disappointing. Ottawa has been starving for bottom six talent, so maybe he gets a look.
I liked that Jarventie kid in his draft year, 2020. It not like he projects to be a top six forward at this stage, but Jarventie has been a more productive offensively in the AHL than Bourgault. Injuries, however, have really hampered the kid's overall development.
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