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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2019 19:30:13 GMT -5
Had a couple of cups of coffee with Montreal. Suspect it's another 2-way deal.
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Post by folatre on Feb 20, 2019 20:45:27 GMT -5
As a centre, I have never seen Coyle as more than a third liner. With the right mates, I think he is okay as a second line RW. I would imagine that is where Boston plans to use him unless they are still trying to acquire another top 6 goal scoring winger.
Coyle could kick start things going home and just changing the air. He will certainly help a win now Bruins team more than Donato would have.
I know Pierre McGuire and some others really like Donato. He is skilled and his upside remains interesting. But the worrisome thing is not so much that he failed to produce this season in Boston when given opportunities. It is more that he played small and uninvolved.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 20, 2019 21:09:01 GMT -5
BC will be disappointed.  Was never that sure about Coyle. I understand Boston likes the size difference, but they are giving up a guy who could turn into a pretty good scorer in Donato. Fair trade, I'd say. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 21, 2019 8:35:46 GMT -5
BC will be disappointed. I am disappointed.  At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. He's better than Armia and Lehkonen in my opinion, and I like both those guys. Tatar - Danault - Gallagher Drouin - Domi - Shaw Byron - Kotkaniemi - Coyle Lehkonen - Thompson - Armia I would have rolled with that. |
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Post by franko on Feb 21, 2019 9:14:01 GMT -5
BC will be disappointed. I am disappointed. At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. He's better than Armia and Lehkonen in my opinion, and I like both those guys. Tatar - Danault - Gallagher Drouin - Domi - Shaw Byron - Kotkaniemi - Coyle Lehkonen - Thompson - Armia I would have rolled with that. you've given up on Lehkonen then. he's not a fourth liner; he'd be the one traded (= Donato), no? I guess the scoring might improve a bit since Lehko can't put the puck in the net, but by and large it's more shuffling the deck chairs, the team stays about the same. on another matter, I think I've figured it out: the Habs are playing rope-a-dope with the power play. they are just waiting until the playoffs when there are a whole lot more penalties called and then the PP will come to life.  |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 21, 2019 9:21:01 GMT -5
I am disappointed. At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. He's better than Armia and Lehkonen in my opinion, and I like both those guys. Tatar - Danault - Gallagher Drouin - Domi - Shaw Byron - Kotkaniemi - Coyle Lehkonen - Thompson - Armia I would have rolled with that. you've given up on Lehkonen then. he's not a fourth liner; he'd be the one traded (= Donato), no? I guess the scoring might improve a bit since Lehko can't put the puck in the net, but by and large it's more shuffling the deck chairs, the team stays about the same. on another matter, I think I've figured it out: the Habs are playing rope-a-dope with the power play. they are just waiting until the playoffs when there are a whole lot more penalties called and then the PP will come to life. I don't think Lehkonen is equal to Donato. I would have said Scherbak, or maybe McCarron. Of course, since neither of those guys are available to us to trade, I can't really blame Bergevin for missing on this one. Our next closest comparable, in my ever humble opinion, would have been Lernout, but it's entirely possible the Wild just didn't want another defenseman. As for Lehkonen being a fourth liner, this year he has played like one. I'd have no problems putting him there, and then playing him 12 minutes a night, with his main duties being as a penalty killer. Again, I like Lehkonen, I haven't given up on him. But at a certain point you gotta produce. A fourth line of him, Thompson, and Armia could play against any line, so you wouldn't have to worry about matchups, especially on the road. Not sure you can say the same thing with guys like Deslauriers, Peca, Chaput, Agostino, and even Weise. |
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Post by franko on Feb 21, 2019 11:47:43 GMT -5
As for Lehkonen being a fourth liner, this year he has played like one. I'd have no problems putting him there, and then playing him 12 minutes a night, with his main duties being as a penalty killer. Again, I like Lehkonen, I haven't given up on him. But at a certain point you gotta produce. ah yes, the ongoing Habs Catch-22 saga . . . play him down a line because he doesn't deserve to be "up there" and let him earn his way back, but not give him the opportunity to play with those who will help him score so he earns his way back. not that I necessarily disagree with you, but haven't wee seen this movie before, ad nauseum? has it ever worked? not that I have any answers . . . |
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Post by blny on Feb 21, 2019 12:34:44 GMT -5
Kings retain half his hit on this, the final year of his deal.
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 11:41:19 GMT -5
Looks like there's serious traction for a Duchene to CBJ trade. Couple of AHL prospects were pull from practice this morning. Lots of chatter among those covering them and the talking heads up north.
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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2019 11:52:06 GMT -5
I wonder if more than 5,000 actual paying customers will attend the Sens-Blue Jackets game in Kanata tonight. I'm saying 9,800 in the place. I'm being generous, but they can't give away that many tickets! probably more between frustration and resignation. Sens fans want something to cheer about not something to cry about. That franchise is such a mess, and the kicker is their amazing lottery pick will go poof. it'll wind up to be Turris plus for a mid-round pick when it's all over and done. and we don't like what Bergy has done! methinks the "Melnyk Out" signs will be back up. "give me your kidney and I'll destroy any hope you have". |
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Post by folatre on Feb 22, 2019 12:02:32 GMT -5
Duchene is indeed headed to Columbus. I am not sure what the poor Sens got back.
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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2019 12:03:39 GMT -5
Duchene is indeed headed to Columbus. I am not sure what the poor Sens got back. TBD. at least he doesn't have to do much other than trade dressing rooms tonight. edit: includes conditional first rounder |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 12:05:05 GMT -5
The Ottawa portion of the trade:
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 12:05:38 GMT -5
Part of the CBJ contingent.
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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2019 12:10:07 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2019 12:24:22 GMT -5
so . . .
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Post by folatre on Feb 22, 2019 12:24:52 GMT -5
Abramov is a skilled winger, nice hands. However, he is small and not speedy. I have no idea about Davidsson, if I am not mistaken he was a lower round pick and plays in Sweden right now. I cannot see how the 2019 Columbus first rounder is going to be anything that great because the Blue Jackets really have no incentive to trade Bobrovsky in such a soft goalie market. He is worth far more to them in net. The conditional 2020 1st will very likely never materialize for Ottawa because, with no disrespect to the Columbus Blue Jackets organization, Duchene is not going to sign there.
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Post by Andrew on Feb 22, 2019 12:40:04 GMT -5
Abramov is a skilled winger, nice hands. However, he is small and not speedy. I have no idea about Davidsson, if I am not mistaken he was a lower round pick and plays in Sweden right now. I cannot see how the 2019 Columbus first rounder is going to be anything that great because the Blue Jackets really have no incentive to trade Bobrovsky in such a soft goalie market. He is worth far more to them in net. The conditional 2020 1st will very likely never materialize for Ottawa because, with no disrespect to the Columbus Blue Jackets organization, Duchene is not going to sign there. A former 3rd round pick, a former 6th round pick and a mid first round pick. It's far from certain that Ottawa will even get an NHL regular out of those three assets. What a disaster the Duchene acquisition turned out to be for them. For CBJ it's not a bad price to pay, but it puts them at risk with 3 big name UFAs after this season. It improves their chances of making the playoffs, and winning some games, however, I don't think it elevates them to contender status. They sure don't want to draw Tampa in the first round. I don't think I like this deal for either team, unless Duchene signs and then Ottawa gets that conditional 1st. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 22, 2019 13:41:59 GMT -5
I think Ottawa could of got more from Winnipeg. A first + Raslovic/Connor + mid tier prospect? Maybe that's what they will get for Stone?
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 14:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 14:27:31 GMT -5
Who?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 22, 2019 15:07:31 GMT -5
I think Ottawa could of got more from Winnipeg. A first + Raslovic/Connor + mid tier prospect? Maybe that's what they will get for Stone? They could have gotten a lot more from the Montreal Canadiens |
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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2019 15:08:49 GMT -5
 maybe they're holding off until Monday so the sports stations have something to report during their hours and hours and hours on the air |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 15:32:32 GMT -5
I think Ottawa could of got more from Winnipeg. A first + Raslovic/Connor + mid tier prospect? Maybe that's what they will get for Stone? They could have gotten a lot more from the Montreal Canadiens No way they trade him in division. Look how hard they tried to keep Hoffman out of the east. |
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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2019 16:07:22 GMT -5
They could have gotten a lot more from the Montreal Canadiens  |
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Post by folatre on Feb 22, 2019 16:22:39 GMT -5
And Montreal is not only in the division, it is a rival down the road. So yeah, if Dorion took a worse deal for Hoffman to avoid sending him to Florida (which is basically the end of the hockey earth where players go to never be heard from again), then it reasons that there was no way in the world that he would trade Duchene to Montreal.
For those of us who want to see the Habs go big game hunting, seeing Duchene go to Columbus is not a bad thing because for me at least he will not sign there. I thought that Duchene was going to be traded to Nashville (where he owns a house) and that would have created easy momentum for him to immediately sign a deal wit them. Nashville is still the favorite all things being equal, however now it sure seems likely that Duchene hits the market and Molson and Bergevin should be able to get a face to face with Duchene and Brisson provided Molson is willing to use Montreal's financial clout to structure a contract in a way that most NHL owners simply cannot or will not entertain.
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 18:22:53 GMT -5
Caps don't waste any time signing the newly acquired to an extension.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 22, 2019 18:41:09 GMT -5
BC will be disappointed. I am disappointed. At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. He's better than Armia and Lehkonen in my opinion, and I like both those guys. Tatar - Danault - Gallagher Drouin - Domi - Shaw Byron - Kotkaniemi - Coyle Lehkonen - Thompson - Armia I would have rolled with that. First thing to ask yourself...does he cost more? If he did, that is the first thing to consider. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 22, 2019 18:49:11 GMT -5
EOTP had an article talking about how Jesse Puljujarvi’s might be a good fit for the habs... he'd fit right in with the Montreal Finnadiens
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Post by folatre on Feb 22, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5
EOTP had an article talking about how Jesse Puljujarvi’s might be a good fit for the habs... he'd fit right in with the Montreal Finnadiens Jeje, Finnadiens. Well, if there was any interest on Montreal's part, most likely nothing would materialize until summer since Puljujarvi is supposedly injured right now and moreover it would be counterintuitive to introduce a new guy who has had an awful year into the room precisely at crunch time. Puljujarvi is hard to figure out. He certainly has some tools (and to be fair he was probably rushed by Edmonton) but one cannot help but question his hockey IQ and realistically any team moving for him should probably do so with the expectation that he may not have the overall skill set to be more than a third liner. My guess would be that Edmonton is not quite ready to accept the return that would be commensurate with suitors profiling him as a third liner. Therefore, it seems likelier that Edmonton bridges him and then trades him in 2020 when they conclude it is a long shot that he will suddenly breaks out and be a big offensive producer in the NHL. |
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