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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2019 22:02:29 GMT -5
At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. upon further review . . . my mind hasn't changed. I still can't figure out why we'd go after yet another 3rd liner . . . Coyle will not put us "over the top" or get us anywhere close to it! for years the Habs have needed a first line centre . . . and now we're complaining that they missed out on a third liner? I don't get it. |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 22:05:32 GMT -5
At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. upon further review . . . my mind hasn't changed. I still can't figure out why we'd go after yet another 3rd liner . . . Coyle will not put us "over the top" or get us anywhere close to it! for years the Habs have needed a first line centre . . . and now we're complaining that they missed out on a third liner? I don't get it. Agreed. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 22, 2019 22:12:59 GMT -5
They could have gotten a lot more from the Montreal Canadiens No way they trade him in division. Look how hard they tried to keep Hoffman out of the east. So they'd never trade to a team they play 4 times a year, but they would trade him to a team they play 3 times a year ... Columbus would battle Ottawa just as much for a playoff spot the next 3-5 years as Montreal. Look who Montreal is in a dog fight with for proof. |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2019 22:18:41 GMT -5
No way they trade him in division. Look how hard they tried to keep Hoffman out of the east. So they'd never trade to a team they play 4 times a year, but they would trade him to a team they play 3 times a year ... Columbus would battle Ottawa just as much for a playoff spot the next 3-5 years as Montreal. Look who Montreal is in a dog fight with for proof. Optics skilly. Optics. Same reason that Montreal would never have traded Roy to the Avs if they were still the Nordiques. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 23, 2019 12:56:53 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 23, 2019 13:21:09 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 23, 2019 13:39:16 GMT -5
At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. upon further review . . . my mind hasn't changed. I still can't figure out why we'd go after yet another 3rd liner . . . Coyle will not put us "over the top" or get us anywhere close to it! for years the Habs have needed a first line centre . . . and now we're complaining that they missed out on a third liner? I don't get it. It's a proven fact that 3rd and 4th liners have more character. Usually because they lack in other areas. |
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Post by franko on Feb 23, 2019 14:07:50 GMT -5
upon further review . . . my mind hasn't changed. I still can't figure out why we'd go after yet another 3rd liner . . . Coyle will not put us "over the top" or get us anywhere close to it! for years the Habs have needed a first line centre . . . and now we're complaining that they missed out on a third liner? I don't get it. It's a proven fact that 3rd and 4th liners have more character. I know that's MB's philosophy. I'm just surprised that so many are starting to buy into it. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 23, 2019 14:48:29 GMT -5
At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. upon further review . . . my mind hasn't changed. I still can't figure out why we'd go after yet another 3rd liner . . . Coyle will not put us "over the top" or get us anywhere close to it! for years the Habs have needed a first line centre . . . and now we're complaining that they missed out on a third liner? I don't get it. It's simple..... Thompson versus Coyle. If one is a better player then another, which do you choose? Unless of course we care more about Mol$on$ bank account then winning. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 23, 2019 14:52:54 GMT -5
At 6'3, 220lbs, and a very good skater - not to mention versatile enough to play either center or wing - he would have fit in very nicely here, I think. Coyle may never live up to the offensive flashes he occasionally shows, but he does have 10 goals already this year. upon further review . . . my mind hasn't changed. I still can't figure out why we'd go after yet another 3rd liner . . . Coyle will not put us "over the top" or get us anywhere close to it! for years the Habs have needed a first line centre . . . and now we're complaining that they missed out on a third liner? I don't get it. I remember hearing that both Charlie Coyle and Jonas Brodin were on Marc Bergevin's radar a few seasons back ... back then Coyle would have been welcome by just being a natural centre ... Brodin was targeted as an upgrade to the defence corps ... not sure what all was on the table, but it didn't amount to anything more than rumours ... I'm okay with MB standing pat ... he was in on the Matt Duchene sweepstakes and I'm really glad he didn't pay what Columbus did ... I don't know what Ryan Dzingel's asking price is but it's going to be expensive, as well ... full rebuild going on in Ottawa ... does Mark Stone survive Monday's deadline ... quite the draft for Ottawa to be stockpiling draft picks ... Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 23, 2019 15:08:24 GMT -5
So they'd never trade to a team they play 4 times a year, but they would trade him to a team they play 3 times a year ... Columbus would battle Ottawa just as much for a playoff spot the next 3-5 years as Montreal. Look who Montreal is in a dog fight with for proof. Optics skilly. Optics. Same reason that Montreal would never have traded Roy to the Avs if they were still the Nordiques. I hear ya, but I still think if Montreal's offer is better (on any trade) Ottawa will do what it takes to make their team better |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 15:36:04 GMT -5
Optics skilly. Optics. Same reason that Montreal would never have traded Roy to the Avs if they were still the Nordiques. I hear ya, but I still think if Montreal's offer is better (on any trade) Ottawa will do what it takes to make their team better There is no way, given how bad things are in Ottawa that they trade stone or dzingle to montreal... unless they rob MB blind and can justify it |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 15:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2019 16:13:50 GMT -5
I hear ya, but I still think if Montreal's offer is better (on any trade) Ottawa will do what it takes to make their team better There is no way, given how bad things are in Ottawa that they trade stone or dzingle to montreal... unless they rob MB blind and can justify it ... and then people would complain about the over payment. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 23, 2019 16:17:45 GMT -5
Read that earlier and his column reminded me of a mish-mash of Habrus posts ... can't help but wonder if maybe Brendan Kelly would have roasted Marc Bergevin for overpaying had he been able to land Matt Duchene ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 16:18:03 GMT -5
There is no way, given how bad things are in Ottawa that they trade stone or dzingle to montreal... unless they rob MB blind and can justify it ... and then people would complain about the over payment. I'm not interested in over paying... I'm wondering what it would have cost MB for Duchene... the intangibles are the KK can learn how to be a #1 centre fron Duchene... it's why Staal might be a good pickup next year... to teach KK. |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2019 16:33:20 GMT -5
... and then people would complain about the over payment. I'm not interested in over paying... I'm wondering what it would have cost MB for Duchene... the intangibles are the KK can learn how to be a #1 centre fron Duchene... it's why Staal might be a good pickup next year... to teach KK. As a UFA, I wouldn't have issue with targeting Duchene. He's shown he can be a 3 zone player this year, he scores as well as he dishes, he's very good at face offs, and he skates very well. It pushes Domi to the wing, and we'd have some decisions to make. But those are the choices you want to have to make. I think Danault gets underrated somewhat. His 5-on-5 production is top notch. He's a very effective 200 foot player. He's strong at face offs. I think kk would learn just fine in that scenario. Staal would be a bottom six player for us imo, and given our style I'm not sure how well he'd fit. I wouldn't be prepared to move either Domi or Danault out of position for him. Meanwhile, Jake Evans has had a really good first pro year on a bad team in Laval. 30 points in 51 games is solid. I'd prefer the idea of keeping a Thompson around in the event Evans maybe isn't ready. If he is ready you haven't got a commitment to a big piece. |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2019 16:59:17 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 23, 2019 17:43:14 GMT -5
Two first picks and two decent prospects, plus a long term caphit between 8 to 9 million is a lot to give up for Duchene. |
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Post by folatre on Feb 23, 2019 19:21:37 GMT -5
Time will say, though for me Duchene will test the market and continue his career somewhere else.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 20:02:23 GMT -5
Cbj just got dzingel and a 7th
Cbj gives up 2 2nds and Duclair...
nothing for dzingel...1.8 cap hit
Kakelienan is making some very smart moves
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Post by folatre on Feb 23, 2019 20:13:16 GMT -5
Dzingel is from Illinois and played at Ohio State. He probably signs with Columbus.
I think that this move actually increases the odds that Kekalainen moves Panarin provided that someone (Nashville, Winnipeg, Islanders) is willing to meet the asking price.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 20:58:11 GMT -5
Is Ottawa gonna give Stone to the Blue Jackets, too?
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 21:48:06 GMT -5
Of course...
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 21:48:21 GMT -5
So sick of this
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 21:54:00 GMT -5
Glad they lost... skate in the 1st and stop skating the rest of the game? Domi played like a dummy... the 4th line generated nothing, KK looks done, benn and kulak are scary
We need someone who can score on the pp... I'm sure MB will pick up more character though...
Man I hate losing to the leafs
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2019 22:02:08 GMT -5
Glad they lost... skate in the 1st and stop skating the rest of the game? Domi played like a dummy... the 4th line generated nothing, KK looks done, benn and kulak are scary We need someone who can score on the pp... I'm sure MB will pick up more character though... Man I hate losing to the leafs KK was on against the Flyers. He's the fifth 18 year old to score 30 points in the NHL before turning 19. I think the stage of the big game might be a bit much at this point, but he wasn't why they lost. |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2019 22:03:12 GMT -5
Both picks can become firsts. If Dallas plays 2 rounds, that 2nd becomes a first. If the Stars sign Zuc, the third becomes a first.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2019 22:20:06 GMT -5
Glad they lost... skate in the 1st and stop skating the rest of the game? Domi played like a dummy... the 4th line generated nothing, KK looks done, benn and kulak are scary We need someone who can score on the pp... I'm sure MB will pick up more character though... Man I hate losing to the leafs KK was on against the Flyers. He's the fifth 18 year old to score 30 points in the NHL before turning 19. I think the stage of the big game might be a bit much at this point, but he wasn't why they lost. I wasn't blaming kk... I just said he looks done |
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Post by folatre on Feb 23, 2019 22:25:59 GMT -5
Hockey is debatable, but I just don't see how guys Zuccarello, Dzingel Hayes, or even Simmonds would move the needle enough to take a competitive team and make it a contender.
Adding that type of rental is not going to change the balance of power against Tampa.
Carolina is not adding any elite rental and the Canes are the head to head competition for Montreal. So if the Habs riding Price cannot beat out Carolina riding McElhinney then what can one say really?
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