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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:22:10 GMT -5
Matt Hendricks back to Jets for a 7th round pick.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:23:26 GMT -5
Stone, when contract is announced on Mar 1, will be 8 years at $9.5 million aav.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 25, 2019 15:25:00 GMT -5
Hartman and a third ... That's all it took to get Simmonds.
Might as well throw up the white flag Bergevin.
At these prices, you'd think he'd pick up someone ...
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:28:44 GMT -5
Canucks trade Gudbranson to Pens ... not sure of the return ...
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2019 15:28:50 GMT -5
Hartman and a third ... That's all it took to get Simmonds. Might as well throw up the white flag Bergevin. At these prices, you'd think he'd pick up someone ... Simmonds isnt a 4th liner... We could have used his big body on the PP |
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Post by jkr on Feb 25, 2019 15:31:17 GMT -5
Hartman and a third ... That's all it took to get Simmonds. Might as well throw up the white flag Bergevin. At these prices, you'd think he'd pick up someone ... They need something to solidify the PO spot. That doesn't seem like a steep price for Simmonds. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:31:21 GMT -5
Hartman and a third ... That's all it took to get Simmonds. Might as well throw up the white flag Bergevin. At these prices, you'd think he'd pick up someone ... For value, in terms of what's on paper, I suppose comparative value is Lehkonen. I think Arturri is a smarter player; a 3 zone player. Hartman is a pest type with limited offense. We're approaching a crossroads with Lehkonen in terms of prospects, need to add goals, and his struggles to score since his rookie year. Would I do that deal? I think so. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:32:00 GMT -5
Staal unwilling to waive.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:41:23 GMT -5
Beaulieu to Blues for a 6th rounder (to Sabres).
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Post by Skilly on Feb 25, 2019 15:43:34 GMT -5
Hartman and a third ... That's all it took to get Simmonds. Might as well throw up the white flag Bergevin. At these prices, you'd think he'd pick up someone ... For value, in terms of what's on paper, I suppose comparative value is Lehkonen. I think Arturri is a smarter player; a 3 zone player. Hartman is a pest type with limited offense. We're approaching a crossroads with Lehkonen in terms of prospects, need to add goals, and his struggles to score since his rookie year. Would I do that deal? I think so. Joel Armia and a second rounder Armia's highest season was 29 points, Hartman's 31 Hartman currently with 20 points, Armia has 13 Hartman is a pest, Armia ia a pest ... Not one of us would have complained if we lost Armia and a second rounder for Simmonds. (Maybe not even Lehkonen, but I think he will start producing next year) |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:48:19 GMT -5
For value, in terms of what's on paper, I suppose comparative value is Lehkonen. I think Arturri is a smarter player; a 3 zone player. Hartman is a pest type with limited offense. We're approaching a crossroads with Lehkonen in terms of prospects, need to add goals, and his struggles to score since his rookie year. Would I do that deal? I think so. Joel Armia and a second rounder Armia's highest season was 29 points, Hartman's 31 Hartman currently with 20 points, Armia has 13 Hartman is a pest, Armia ia a pest ... Not one of us would have complained if we lost Armia and a second rounder for Simmonds. (Maybe not even Lehkonen, but I think he will start producing next year) A good comparison. Bottom line? We don't know IF Berg reached out or if he did, what the Flyers would have wanted. Berg said he wouldn't mortgage picks for rentals. To my knowledge he may not have said he wouldn't trade a current roster player. At any rate, we'll likely never know. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:51:28 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 25, 2019 15:56:42 GMT -5
Beaulieu to Blues for a 6th rounder (to Sabres). Beau to the Jets. They did a lot of depth tinkering today after getting Hayes. The arms race in the West sure heated up. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 25, 2019 15:57:01 GMT -5
Last year and this years draft better pan out or MB better start looking for a new place to live.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 15:58:51 GMT -5
Majority of the action has been out west, and certainly biggest additions.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2019 16:00:32 GMT -5
Last year and this years draft better pan out or MB better start looking for a new place to live. Wishful thinking... millions in cap savings means MB stays put... if they get 1 round in molson gets another few mill on top of all the cap money MB made him. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 16:03:41 GMT -5
Last year and this years draft better pan out or MB better start looking for a new place to live. 17 and 18 look strong. We'll see what they can add this year. Where they slot in - if they make the playoffs and DON'T go on a run - projects pretty darn well. There are some players in that 15-20 range that would go higher in other years. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 16:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2019 16:41:48 GMT -5
I understand everyone's logic, I just don't agree with sending our team to the wolves and standing pat when we are this competitive. Aye, there's the rub. I don't think we're anywhere near competitive. I don't want to waste future assets gaining an extra round in this year's playoffs. There are about 5 or 6 teams that are better than we can be after we make whatever moves. Do we have a Brannstrom to give to Ottawa for Stone? Would it matter? We might have a 20% chance of a Cup win if we gave up Brook, Poehling, Romanov and Suzuki, but where does that leave us? Having an team that will just make the playoffs, until Weber slows down further, Petry loses that step that makes him so good, Shaw gets another concussion, etc. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2019 16:45:50 GMT -5
Devils trade Kincaid to Jackets for a 5th in '22. Getting traded for a 5th three years from now. That stings. Could be at least 5 years from now for that pick to turn into a pro. That's cheap insurance. Kinkaid is ok. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 25, 2019 16:46:26 GMT -5
I wasnt expecting anything big but when I see what Simmonds went for I shake my head. IMO he could make a difference & a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't mortgaging the future.
A couple of losses & they are out of a wild card. What does he say then?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2019 16:50:28 GMT -5
Will anyone show up to Sens games anymore? What a gong show. Brannstrom is a very good defensive prospect. Saw him live at the WJC this year. But he is small. And he won't help right away. Can't help thinking Ottawa blew this one too. Brannstrom would have to be a near franchise player to justify being traded one for one with Stone. Obviously I wouldn't trade McDavid or Matthews or Mackinnon for Stone, but that next tier, yes? If it was just a rental, it makes more sense, but with STone under contract for 8 years, that trade seems awfully weak to me. If Bransstrom doesn't turn into another Karlssson, it's a bust. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2019 16:54:50 GMT -5
They're in the painful process of passing a stone. Stone Age. Impartially, they've got some good young pieces. Chabot, Brannstrom, White, Formenton, Tkachuk; that's a good group to build around. But they had Karlsson and Stone, two elite guys and Duchene, who is close. Chabot may end up there and we'll have to see about Brannstrom, but it's crazy to give up elite players. They are so hard to replace. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2019 17:01:16 GMT -5
I wasnt expecting anything big but when I see what Simmonds went for I shake my head. IMO he could make a difference & a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't mortgaging the future. A couple of losses & they are out of a wild card. What does he say then? I thought for sure that with 3 or 4 teams after Stone that he'd fetch a king's ransom for Ottawa. Not so much. Maybe a Baron's ransom. Seemed to be a buyer's market for the bsst guys. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2019 17:02:05 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing a Gudbransom/Johnson defence pairing in PIttsburgh. I didn't think anyone could challenge Malakhov/Quintal, but those two might.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 17:02:17 GMT -5
Stone Age. Impartially, they've got some good young pieces. Chabot, Brannstrom, White, Formenton, Tkachuk; that's a good group to build around. But they had Karlsson and Stone, two elite guys and Duchene, who is close. Chabot may end up there and we'll have to see about Brannstrom, but it's crazy to give up elite players. They are so hard to replace. No doubt. I just think that the focus on the lost 1st this year clouds what is a pretty enviable group of young players. Everyone agrees that it was likely wrong to keep the first last year, but it's not like Tkachuk is a slouch. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2019 17:03:45 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing a Gudbransom/Johnson defence pairing in PIttsburgh. I didn't think anyone could challenge Malakhov/Quintal, but those two might. Popovic, Baron? I don't think I can recall a player less interested in being where he was than Murray Baron when he came to Montreal with Corson. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2019 17:17:45 GMT -5
I wasnt expecting anything big but when I see what Simmonds went for I shake my head. IMO he could make a difference & a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't mortgaging the future. A couple of losses & they are out of a wild card. What does he say then? I thought for sure that with 3 or 4 teams after Stone that he'd fetch a king's ransom for Ottawa. Not so much. Maybe a Baron's ransom. Seemed to be a buyer's market for the bsst guys. It's the Sens version of Patrick Roy... Everyone knew they had to move him and they didnt get anywhere equal value |
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Post by jkr on Feb 25, 2019 17:18:42 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing a Gudbransom/Johnson defence pairing in PIttsburgh. I didn't think anyone could challenge Malakhov/Quintal, but those two might. Popovic, Baron? I don't think I can recall a player less interested in being where he was than Murray Baron when he came to Montreal with Corson. LOL - the infamous Baron von Pylon. Every shift screamed " get me out of here" |
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